The NRA

[SlowSpyder]

Well as usual you are not telling the truth. The actual number is around 34,000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

Your number includes suicides. If I include self harm from tobacco in Europe the number swells to something like 700,000 (well greater than your number). I am talking about innocent victims of others actions, victims of second hand smoke and victims of gun violence.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Slow, your mention of Second hand smoke ... that is priceless!

Over the last couple decades, there has been a SHITton done to fight second hand smoke!!!!!

No more smoking in bars, restaurants, offices and so many other places.
More and more taxes piled onto tobacco.
Products which are advertised as "less lethal" or "non lethal" alternatives to tobacco are replacing and displacing tons of tobacco products.

If second hand smoke "is ignored", then, maybe we can "ignore" guns the same way?

If we were going to attempt a metaphor, then the laws to prevent "second hand smoke" of "bullets" would essentially pull like 70-80% of the guns from the street. Also, most shooters would have quit shooting completely, or, they would have switched to boxing.

And yet you're willing to live with the much higher body count and say, well, we did what we could. We've had numerous restrictions on guns over the years too. So... guess we're good, right?

 

[Jhhnn]

And yet you're willing to live with the much higher body count and say, well, we did what we could. We've had numerous restrictions on guns over the years too. So... guess we're good, right?

So dishonest. I could walk into any number of sporting goods stores, pass a background check & walk out with an arsenal of military grade firearms. Put it on my Visa card.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I read today that the NRA is 50-60 million in debt and the debt is rising.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/nra-financial-trouble-706371/

 

[Paladin3]

Case in point. Was at a birthday party for a 6 year old this weekend. Let me repeat that. Birthday party for a 6 year old. Some guy came open carry to it. Not a cop. Just came strapped. To a party with a dozen 6 year olds running around.

Classy.

Open carry is pretty common where I live in North Idaho, but it's legal to concealed carry without even a permit. So, I don't see any reason other than to advertise what a bad ass you are to the public for open carry. I carry concealed and the last thing I want is for folks to see my gun, even though open carry around here doesn't raise an eyebrow, it's still not worth advertising to folks you've got a gun.

As for around kids, at least tuck that gun away securely, even though a good open carry retention holster is pretty darn secure. And the hosts could always have asked him to leave it they saw it as a problem.

 

[shortylickens]

So dishonest. I could walk into any number of sporting goods stores, pass a background check & walk out with an arsenal of military grade firearms. Put it on my Visa card.

As someone who served in the military, and used guns, I need to inform you of something very essential:

"Military grade" is code for "overpriced garbage made by some congressman's brother-in-law and forced on people who never had a choice".

 

[nickqt]

As someone who served in the military, and used guns, I need to inform you of something very essential:

"Military grade" is code for "overpriced garbage made by some congressman's brother-in-law and forced on people who never had a choice".

Wait just a second...

You mean...

...FreeMarket™...

Only gives a shit about enriching itself?

That can't be. It just can't.

Otherwise...why ever vote Republican?

 

[SlowSpyder]

As someone who served in the military, and used guns, I need to inform you of something very essential:

"Military grade" is code for "overpriced garbage made by some congressman's brother-in-law and forced on people who never had a choice".

"Military" grade is nothing more than color words meant to create emotion. What does it REALLY mean? The lowest bidder that can make a reliable gun and deliver them in mass. Whoopdedo. An AR15, "military" grade. A mini-14, hunter grade. No practical difference.

 

[SlowSpyder]

So dishonest. I could walk into any number of sporting goods stores, pass a background check & walk out with an arsenal of military grade firearms. Put it on my Visa card.

You can do the same with your Visa and buy bomb making contents, or buy a truck. The reality is that if someone wants to harm unsuspecting victims there are many ways to achieve that. I think some levels of gun control can help with homicides in general, but psychos that want to harm people in mass have surprise on their side and can do so regardless of how they choose to do so.

 

[Jhhnn]

As someone who served in the military, and used guns, I need to inform you of something very essential:

"Military grade" is code for "overpriced garbage made by some congressman's brother-in-law and forced on people who never had a choice".

Which doesn't change the truth of what I said at all.

 

[BurnItDwn]

And yet you're willing to live with the much higher body count and say, well, we did what we could. We've had numerous restrictions on guns over the years too. So... guess we're good, right?

When I went to buy my 357 mag, I needed a FOID, background check, and then a short wait for a week or so.
Really not much of a restriction. This is in IL, one of the "stricter" states (and I think the last or 2nd to last state to recognize legal concealed carry .)


In many states, you can go to a gun show and buy a gun and bypass the background check completely.
I think it's a smart idea to have background checks and waiting periods at gun shows just like at the gun store.

Now, when it comes to rifles, I tend to go against the majority of the left, I would love an AK, an M1, and an AR for goin out to the woods or desert and target shooting for fun. Shooting is a great hobby, and it's wonderful fun, I just worry that criminals and insane people have too easy of a time getting their hands on guns, so, maybe there are some additional restrictions that can be put in place to protect the public.

It would maybe also help to register guns, so that it may be easier to trace guns used in crimes.

I think it wouldn't hurt to look at how Canada has their laws set up and to see if there is anything we can learn from them. I don't necessarily agree with their restrictions on magazine size (since any competent shooter can swap mags pretty damn quickly), and I think it's not really necessary to ban certain handguns just because they have a short barrel, but, they have one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world, and they have a pretty low murder rate.

Also, I do agree that having a strong national healthcare system with adequate funds and resources for treating people with mental illnesses would do a LOT to cut violent crime. It's much Cheaper and easier to restrict guns, but, health care is clearly among the "low hanging fruits."

The NRA opposes all bills, they are owned and run by the gun industry. Enthusiast shooters do not even have a say in the NRA's policies! It sucks that the gun club sold everybody out for their big donors, but, they did, and now they are fucked.

 

[SlowSpyder]

When I went to buy my 357 mag, I needed a FOID, background check, and then a short wait for a week or so.
Really not much of a restriction. This is in IL, one of the "stricter" states (and I think the last or 2nd to last state to recognize legal concealed carry .)


In many states, you can go to a gun show and buy a gun and bypass the background check completely.
I think it's a smart idea to have background checks and waiting periods at gun shows just like at the gun store.

Now, when it comes to rifles, I tend to go against the majority of the left, I would love an AK, an M1, and an AR for goin out to the woods or desert and target shooting for fun. Shooting is a great hobby, and it's wonderful fun, I just worry that criminals and insane people have too easy of a time getting their hands on guns, so, maybe there are some additional restrictions that can be put in place to protect the public.

It would maybe also help to register guns, so that it may be easier to trace guns used in crimes.

I think it wouldn't hurt to look at how Canada has their laws set up and to see if there is anything we can learn from them. I don't necessarily agree with their restrictions on magazine size (since any competent shooter can swap mags pretty damn quickly), and I think it's not really necessary to ban certain handguns just because they have a short barrel, but, they have one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world, and they have a pretty low murder rate.

Also, I do agree that having a strong national healthcare system with adequate funds and resources for treating people with mental illnesses would do a LOT to cut violent crime. It's much Cheaper and easier to restrict guns, but, health care is clearly among the "low hanging fruits."

The NRA opposes all bills, they are owned and run by the gun industry. Enthusiast shooters do not even have a say in the NRA's policies! It sucks that the gun club sold everybody out for their big donors, but, they did, and now they are fucked.

I'm for universal background checks, even on private sales. I think it'd be fantastic if all gun sales had to be done at a police station where the transaction is kept in a country-wide database and the background check is done. If the buyer doesn't want to go to the police station and have the check run, that's probably not someone that should have a gun. Once the transaction is completed, if the gun is ever used in a crime later the seller is not responsible and the transaction is on record. That makes fine sense to me and doesn't infringe on the rights of anyone.

On the other hand I tried to buy a pellet gun in IL once and there was a 48 hour waiting period. That is stupid do-nothing but hassle law abiding citizens move. I think waiting periods in general have not proven to have any positive effect. Another looks good on paper, does nothing in reality thing.

The NRA can be overly defensive about some measure that AI think we'd all like to see. But, they have only become that way because of how ridiculous some of the anti-gun legislation attempts have been over the years. Folding stock bans? LOL Magazine capacity limits, suppressor bans, ammo bans, things like that do nothing and have solved nothing, but DO restrict the rights of all legal gun owners.

 

[BurnItDwn]

I'm for universal background checks, even on private sales. I think it'd be fantastic if all gun sales had to be done at a police station where the transaction is kept in a country-wide database and the background check is done. If the buyer doesn't want to go to the police station and have the check run, that's probably not someone that should have a gun. Once the transaction is completed, if the gun is ever used in a crime later the seller is not responsible and the transaction is on record. That makes fine sense to me and doesn't infringe on the rights of anyone.

On the other hand I tried to buy a pellet gun in IL once and there was a 48 hour waiting period. That is stupid do-nothing but hassle law abiding citizens move. I think waiting periods in general have not proven to have any positive effect. Another looks good on paper, does nothing in reality thing.

The NRA can be overly defensive about some measure that AI think we'd all like to see. But, they have only become that way because of how ridiculous some of the anti-gun legislation attempts have been over the years. Folding stock bans? LOL Magazine capacity limits, suppressor bans, ammo bans, things like that do nothing and have solved nothing, but DO restrict the rights of all legal gun owners.

Seems like there is at least "SOME" common ground. That common ground should be the low hanging ripe fruits to be made into law. I think the biggest problem is that people are so damn caught up on winning for their side, that they will hold most of the reasonable laws hostage in order to use it as a bargaining chip for the stuff that is NOT common ground. Politics fucks everybody over except for the politicians.

 

[Maxima1]

Since when is the M16-A3 or M16-A4 full auto?

AR-15 is a misnomer, that is the platform that the M16 is based on and the M16-A3 is simply a semi automatic version of the M16 that is in no way different than the civilian versions based on the same platform.

A2 and A4 have burst mode. A3 has full-auto in place of burst mode.