The "N" word

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Too many tards, need genetic testing at birth so everyone understands we all come from common stock.

The most pure gene pool left is most likely found on the continent of Africa. That means more variables and possibilities, the greatest potential of human evolution. Americans are truly the mutts of the world, with the most common and limited genetic potential.

Question?

http://www.google.com/

You go from saying everyone needs to understand we come from common stock, to saying African DNA is superior to American DNA. That's messed up.

On a genetic level we are all connected, although there are races that have better genetic diversity. From a genetic and potential evolutionary standpoint, yes, they are superior. Their "place" in society on an individual basis is, and should be, equal to the rest of humanity.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/re...99/01/990125073157.htm

You will find more genetic diversity in a small, isolated African community than you will in all of NYC combined. That does not change the fact that all of us came from a common genetic stock, the majority of us just have a more limited potential.

So, you basically just said the same thing again? You talk about "we're all connected", but then try to establish some hierarchy of superiority based on genetic diversity. Is that not how all racism starts anyway?

IMO, superiority in nature is only defined by the species that exist and the species that don't. From that, it's obvious which is superior, but drawing any sort of notions of superiority based on anything else is same kind of ill thinking that ushered in some of the world's most virulent regimes.

 

[TheStu]

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: TheStu
The president of the National Society for Black Engineers (NSBE) came to my school last semester and was giving a presentation on Africn Americans in college and their history in general. Since the director of my program was the local head of NSBE, she told us that we were all to attend. I'm glad I did, it was a very informative presentation.

Toward the end, he turned to us all, thanked those of us that were white for coming, but that this next bit was strictly for the african americans in the crowd, specifically the young black men.

He started up a slideshow, pictures from different time periods, including a couple take just the night before. He had just gotten into town and was at a Hold'em tournament that the school was holding. While he was there, he heard quite a few young black men, some of them members of NSBE calling each other N*****, as if it was a term of endearment, like brother or friend.

"I want to show you young men exactly what a N***** is, what that word really means" and he put up a slide of a young black couple that had been lynched "That's a N*****", then he switched to one where a women had been burned and then cut open "That's a N*****", he just kept jumping through the slides, 10-12 of them, everytime saying "That's a N*****". "That's what they would call them when they killed these people, N*****, they said."

So, it isn't just that it was someone in slavery, it was someone that was considered to be less than human, hell, less than most animals. There were plenty of bigots back in the day that treated their dogs better than they treated black people. So to say that it is analogous to redneck is just plain wrong.

Nice post!

The president of the NSBE sounds like he really has his head on straight.

He really does, and dude has HUGE hands. Aside from the presentation, that is what I remember the most, his HUGE hands. I don't know why that sticks with me, I mean, my hands aren't exactly dainty, but his just swallowed mine up when we shook.

Another part of his presentation was lamenting the fact that although overall black attendance in higher education was up, black male attendance was down. It went from being predominantly male, to about 50/50 to now something like 3:1 F:M IIRC. And it isn't just attendance, it is graduation rates as well. He realized he was preaching to the choir, since he was giving this presentation on a college campus, but getting the information out is important.

HUGE hands man, no lie.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: purbeast0


I don't go around calling people who steal stuff from me the N word but it's really not hard to understand what IcebergSlim is getting at. It has nothing to do w/racism either.

Of course it has nothing to do with racism, it is a matter of bigotry and prejudice.

purbeast0, ducci, and especially IcebergSlim, u fail.

everyone is prejudiced

Most are indoctrinated into that sociological process at an early age, a strong mind eventually disassembles that defect.

http://www.umich.edu/news/inde...ses/2005/Oct05/r101805

The genetic diversity of populations was found to be greatest in Africa and least in the Americas.

Small groups of settlers expanding outward from Africa are the most likely progenitors of the modern human population worldwide, according to a new study by researchers at the University of Michigan and Stanford University.

Wait until the KKK realizes every citizen in the US is actually "African American", including themselves.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: TheStu

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: TheStu
The president of the National Society for Black Engineers (NSBE) came to my school last semester and was giving a presentation on Africn Americans in college and their history in general. Since the director of my program was the local head of NSBE, she told us that we were all to attend. I'm glad I did, it was a very informative presentation.

Toward the end, he turned to us all, thanked those of us that were white for coming, but that this next bit was strictly for the african americans in the crowd, specifically the young black men.

He started up a slideshow, pictures from different time periods, including a couple take just the night before. He had just gotten into town and was at a Hold'em tournament that the school was holding. While he was there, he heard quite a few young black men, some of them members of NSBE calling each other N*****, as if it was a term of endearment, like brother or friend.

"I want to show you young men exactly what a N***** is, what that word really means" and he put up a slide of a young black couple that had been lynched "That's a N*****", then he switched to one where a women had been burned and then cut open "That's a N*****", he just kept jumping through the slides, 10-12 of them, everytime saying "That's a N*****". "That's what they would call them when they killed these people, N*****, they said."

So, it isn't just that it was someone in slavery, it was someone that was considered to be less than human, hell, less than most animals. There were plenty of bigots back in the day that treated their dogs better than they treated black people. So to say that it is analogous to redneck is just plain wrong.

Nice post!

The president of the NSBE sounds like he really has his head on straight.

He really does, and dude has HUGE hands. Aside from the presentation, that is what I remember the most, his HUGE hands. I don't know why that sticks with me, I mean, my hands aren't exactly dainty, but his just swallowed mine up when we shook.

Another part of his presentation was lamenting the fact that although overall black attendance in higher education was up, black male attendance was down. It went from being predominantly male, to about 50/50 to now something like 3:1 F:M IIRC. And it isn't just attendance, it is graduation rates as well. He realized he was preaching to the choir, since he was giving this presentation on a college campus, but getting the information out is important.

HUGE hands man, no lie.

The more women the better!

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: purbeast0


I don't go around calling people who steal stuff from me the N word but it's really not hard to understand what IcebergSlim is getting at. It has nothing to do w/racism either.

Of course it has nothing to do with racism, it is a matter of bigotry and prejudice.

purbeast0, ducci, and especially IcebergSlim, u fail.

everyone is prejudiced

What'd I do? And at what exactly do I fail?

I just said that we shouldn't ban offensive words, but if they are used people should accept the consequences of using them.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Too many tards, need genetic testing at birth so everyone understands we all come from common stock.

The most pure gene pool left is most likely found on the continent of Africa. That means more variables and possibilities, the greatest potential of human evolution. Americans are truly the mutts of the world, with the most common and limited genetic potential.

Question?

http://www.google.com/

You go from saying everyone needs to understand we come from common stock, to saying African DNA is superior to American DNA. That's messed up.

On a genetic level we are all connected, although there are races that have better genetic diversity. From a genetic and potential evolutionary standpoint, yes, they are superior. Their "place" in society on an individual basis is, and should be, equal to the rest of humanity.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/re...99/01/990125073157.htm

You will find more genetic diversity in a small, isolated African community than you will in all of NYC combined. That does not change the fact that all of us came from a common genetic stock, the majority of us just have a more limited potential.

So, you basically just said the same thing again? You talk about "we're all connected", but then try to establish some hierarchy of superiority based on genetic diversity. Is that not how all racism starts anyway?

IMO, superiority in nature is only defined by the species that exist and the species that don't. From that, it's obvious which is superior, but drawing any sort of notions of superiority based on anything else is same kind of ill thinking that ushered in some of the world's most virulent regimes.

I pointed out the factual evidence that certain races have greater genetic diversity. When weighing that by evolutionary measures one has the greatest potential. Socially there should be no such hierarchy distinction between individuals. You seemed to have misread.

That is not how racism starts. Racism starts with prejudice, there is a difference.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

everyone is prejudiced

Most are indoctrinated into that sociological process at an early age, a strong mind eventually disassembles that defect.

http://www.umich.edu/news/inde...ses/2005/Oct05/r101805

The genetic diversity of populations was found to be greatest in Africa and least in the Americas.

Small groups of settlers expanding outward from Africa are the most likely progenitors of the modern human population worldwide, according to a new study by researchers at the University of Michigan and Stanford University.

Wait until the KKK realizes every citizen in the US is actually "African American", including themselves.

[/quote]

what are you trying to prove here. Everyone is still prejudiced to some extent. White, yellow, brown, black we all are. its a human trait. Its likely a function of how our brain categorizes experiences and the emotions associated with them.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: purbeast0


I don't go around calling people who steal stuff from me the N word but it's really not hard to understand what IcebergSlim is getting at. It has nothing to do w/racism either.

Of course it has nothing to do with racism, it is a matter of bigotry and prejudice.

purbeast0, ducci, and especially IcebergSlim, u fail.

everyone is prejudiced

What'd I do? And at what exactly do I fail?

I just said that we shouldn't ban offensive words, but if they are used people should accept the consequences of using them.

I apologize for including you ducci, I thought you were supporting IcebergSlim's mock situational use of the word.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Too many tards, need genetic testing at birth so everyone understands we all come from common stock.

The most pure gene pool left is most likely found on the continent of Africa. That means more variables and possibilities, the greatest potential of human evolution. Americans are truly the mutts of the world, with the most common and limited genetic potential.

Question?

http://www.google.com/

You go from saying everyone needs to understand we come from common stock, to saying African DNA is superior to American DNA. That's messed up.

On a genetic level we are all connected, although there are races that have better genetic diversity. From a genetic and potential evolutionary standpoint, yes, they are superior. Their "place" in society on an individual basis is, and should be, equal to the rest of humanity.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/re...99/01/990125073157.htm

You will find more genetic diversity in a small, isolated African community than you will in all of NYC combined. That does not change the fact that all of us came from a common genetic stock, the majority of us just have a more limited potential.

So, you basically just said the same thing again? You talk about "we're all connected", but then try to establish some hierarchy of superiority based on genetic diversity. Is that not how all racism starts anyway?

IMO, superiority in nature is only defined by the species that exist and the species that don't. From that, it's obvious which is superior, but drawing any sort of notions of superiority based on anything else is same kind of ill thinking that ushered in some of the world's most virulent regimes.

I pointed out the factual evidence that certain races have greater genetic diversity. When weighing that by evolutionary measures one has the greatest potential. Socially there should be no such hierarchy distinction between individuals. You seemed to have misread.

That is not how racism starts. Racism starts with prejudice, there is a difference.

And prejudice begins when people develop false senses of superiority. False sense ---> Prejudice ----> Racism.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

everyone is prejudiced

Most are indoctrinated into that sociological process at an early age, a strong mind eventually disassembles that defect.

http://www.umich.edu/news/inde...ses/2005/Oct05/r101805

The genetic diversity of populations was found to be greatest in Africa and least in the Americas.

Small groups of settlers expanding outward from Africa are the most likely progenitors of the modern human population worldwide, according to a new study by researchers at the University of Michigan and Stanford University.

Wait until the KKK realizes every citizen in the US is actually "African American", including themselves.

what are you trying to prove here. Everyone is still prejudiced to some extent. White, yellow, brown, black we all are. its a human trait. Its likely a function of how our brain categorizes experiences and the emotions associated with them.
[/quote]


I agree most people find it difficult to remove their prejudice completely, most are not even aware of the myriad that control their thoughts and actions. It is not a genetically programmed, natural function of the brain. It is a sociological and psychological issue.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Too many tards, need genetic testing at birth so everyone understands we all come from common stock.

The most pure gene pool left is most likely found on the continent of Africa. That means more variables and possibilities, the greatest potential of human evolution. Americans are truly the mutts of the world, with the most common and limited genetic potential.

Question?

http://www.google.com/

You go from saying everyone needs to understand we come from common stock, to saying African DNA is superior to American DNA. That's messed up.

On a genetic level we are all connected, although there are races that have better genetic diversity. From a genetic and potential evolutionary standpoint, yes, they are superior. Their "place" in society on an individual basis is, and should be, equal to the rest of humanity.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/re...99/01/990125073157.htm

You will find more genetic diversity in a small, isolated African community than you will in all of NYC combined. That does not change the fact that all of us came from a common genetic stock, the majority of us just have a more limited potential.

So, you basically just said the same thing again? You talk about "we're all connected", but then try to establish some hierarchy of superiority based on genetic diversity. Is that not how all racism starts anyway?

IMO, superiority in nature is only defined by the species that exist and the species that don't. From that, it's obvious which is superior, but drawing any sort of notions of superiority based on anything else is same kind of ill thinking that ushered in some of the world's most virulent regimes.

I pointed out the factual evidence that certain races have greater genetic diversity. When weighing that by evolutionary measures one has the greatest potential. Socially there should be no such hierarchy distinction between individuals. You seemed to have misread.

That is not how racism starts. Racism starts with prejudice, there is a difference.

And prejudice begins when people develop false senses of superiority. False sense ---> Prejudice ----> Racism.

Succint

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: purbeast0


I don't go around calling people who steal stuff from me the N word but it's really not hard to understand what IcebergSlim is getting at. It has nothing to do w/racism either.

Of course it has nothing to do with racism, it is a matter of bigotry and prejudice.

purbeast0, ducci, and especially IcebergSlim, u fail.

everyone is prejudiced

What'd I do? And at what exactly do I fail?

I just said that we shouldn't ban offensive words, but if they are used people should accept the consequences of using them.

I apologize for including you ducci, I thought you were supporting IcebergSlim's mock situational use of the word.

Well actually, I do support his use of the word. He's free to call whomever, whatever he wants.

I don't associate calling someone "the n-word" with "hating all black people." If used in everyday conversation, I associate it with blatant disregard for the word's power and general ignorance - and oftentimes just blatant racism.

If used as a derogatory term toward someone who has caused you grief, then I see nothing wrong with it.

If someone steals something from me, yes, I am better than them, and yes, I would call them the worst thing I can possibly imagine. There's a reason why

Calling them "a thief", which yes, they are, is not particularly hurtful. If I have a word at my disposal to get under someone's skin - especially someone who has violated me in any way, I see no reason why you wouldn't use it. It's the reason why we call anyone any offensive term, be it douchebag, asshole, son of a bitch or whatever.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: purbeast0


I don't go around calling people who steal stuff from me the N word but it's really not hard to understand what IcebergSlim is getting at. It has nothing to do w/racism either.

Of course it has nothing to do with racism, it is a matter of bigotry and prejudice.

purbeast0, ducci, and especially IcebergSlim, u fail.

everyone is prejudiced

What'd I do? And at what exactly do I fail?

I just said that we shouldn't ban offensive words, but if they are used people should accept the consequences of using them.

I apologize for including you ducci, I thought you were supporting IcebergSlim's mock situational use of the word.

Well actually, I do support his use of the word. He's free to call whomever, whatever he wants.

I don't associate calling someone "the n-word" with "hating all black people." If used in everyday conversation, I associate it with blatant disregard for the word's power and general ignorance - and oftentimes just blatant racism.

If used as a derogatory term toward someone who has caused you grief, then I see nothing wrong with it.

If someone steals something from me, yes, I am better than them, and yes, I would call them the worst thing I can possibly imagine. There's a reason why

Calling them "a thief", which yes, they are, is not particularly hurtful. If I have a word at my disposal to get under someone's skin - especially someone who has violated me in any way, I see no reason why you wouldn't use it. It's the reason why we call anyone any offensive term, be it douchebag, asshole, son of a bitch or whatever.

Fail Whatever definition or "appropriate use" he or you might personally attach to that word, it's use in characterizing anyone is still a racial slur.

I will agree he has the right to call anyone w/e he desires.

BTW, anyone that is stealing from you does not think highly enough of you as a person to be offended by what you might call them, no matter how inflammatory.

 

[Agentbolt]

The N word means whatever black people want it to mean. When I accepted that, this whole situation started annoying me a lot less.

 

[Onita]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: purbeast0


I don't go around calling people who steal stuff from me the N word but it's really not hard to understand what IcebergSlim is getting at. It has nothing to do w/racism either.

Of course it has nothing to do with racism, it is a matter of bigotry and prejudice.

purbeast0, ducci, and especially IcebergSlim, u fail.

everyone is prejudiced

What'd I do? And at what exactly do I fail?

I just said that we shouldn't ban offensive words, but if they are used people should accept the consequences of using them.

I apologize for including you ducci, I thought you were supporting IcebergSlim's mock situational use of the word.

Well actually, I do support his use of the word. He's free to call whomever, whatever he wants.

I don't associate calling someone "the n-word" with "hating all black people." If used in everyday conversation, I associate it with blatant disregard for the word's power and general ignorance - and oftentimes just blatant racism.

If used as a derogatory term toward someone who has caused you grief, then I see nothing wrong with it.

If someone steals something from me, yes, I am better than them, and yes, I would call them the worst thing I can possibly imagine. There's a reason why

Calling them "a thief", which yes, they are, is not particularly hurtful. If I have a word at my disposal to get under someone's skin - especially someone who has violated me in any way, I see no reason why you wouldn't use it. It's the reason why we call anyone any offensive term, be it douchebag, asshole, son of a bitch or whatever.

Fail Whatever definition or "appropriate use" he or you might personally attach to that word, it's use in characterizing anyone is still a racial slur.

I will agree he has the right to call anyone w/e he desires.

BTW, anyone that is stealing from you does not think highly enough of you as a person to be offended by what you might call them, no matter how inflammatory.

Are you the end all of knowledge on the N word?

 

[Alistar7]

Are you the end all of knowledge on the N word?

No, but it's use in characterizing anyone is still a racial slur, derived from prejudice/ignorance.









Where are all the white women?

 

[Evander]

the word ***** has a long history that represents racism and hatred that was so horrible, to be called a ***** ever again by a white person is a terrible reminder of this and most blacks would like to completely abolish it's use by non-blacks in order to prevent stirring up feelings of hatred and retaliation. Blacks calling other blacks ***** can be considered a kind of kung-fu, taking the term of hatred and turning it into a term of endearment, in effect mocking those of others races who use the term in a derogatory sense.

The term redneck doesn't have a long history of hatred and repression. And some would argue that rednecks are proud to be rednecks, and those who aren't proud have it within their power to walk away from that life. But a black person will always be black (unless his name is Michael Jackson), and wouldn't want the eternal stigma of being a "*****".

If someone were to call me cracker, I don't have decades of hatred and repression to fuel a fire of anger and upset me (though it might little). I'd feel more sorry for the person who's dishing out this insult and take it as a badge of his ignorance.

All this being said, I will admit that there is at least some double standard though

 

[Alistar7]

KILL WHITEY!!!!!!!

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: markgm
I never understood "African-American." They're Americans aren't they? When someone cares enough to know where my home country is I'll care enough to know where theirs is. It's mighty presumptuous to assume that all black people are from Africa.

Or that all black people you see in America are, in fact, Americans. Although at least that makes more sense than calling a black person "African American" when you're overseas...which, occasionally, people do.

Originally posted by: Kaelyn
I always thought it was odd that word seems somewhat related to the country name Nigeria. Correlation? /shrug

There was a vandalism in a friend's neighborhood a while back. They spray-painted some swastikas (backwards), and wrote "niger" in a couple of areas.

We figured they must have been Nigerien Buddhists who were proud of their country and religion.:laugh:

Originally posted by: ducci
If used as a derogatory term toward someone who has caused you grief, then I see nothing wrong with it.

If someone steals something from me, yes, I am better than them, and yes, I would call them the worst thing I can possibly imagine. There's a reason why

Calling them "a thief", which yes, they are, is not particularly hurtful. If I have a word at my disposal to get under someone's skin - especially someone who has violated me in any way, I see no reason why you wouldn't use it. It's the reason why we call anyone any offensive term, be it douchebag, asshole, son of a bitch or whatever.

You do realize that "Jew" was and is used in that exact sense, right? It's possible that the person using it might just be looking for a generic insult, but by pinning it down to an ethnic slur the use of the word DOES foment antisemitism.

Besides, using "the N-word" as a way to get under someone's skin isn't going to work if they're white...they'll just laugh at you, and relate the story to the guy the pawn the TV off to. So it's much less useful as a generic term than any of the others you listed.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: TwiceOver
Nagger?

lmao

hey look, it's n*gger guy!

 

[spaceghost21]

Originally posted by: markgm
Why is the F word used by gay people but when non-gay people use it they get banned? Can someone help me understand?

Yes, because white people and straight people have had the same history of persecution in the United States as f*** and n******.

For the record, I feel that both words are very hurtful and shouldn't be used lightly by anyone.

 

[skull]

Its all in how its said. I'm white my girl is black and I say awesome dude in front of her and all my other black friends all the time. One time I said it in front of this black dude for the first time. He was like what did you just say? I said awesome dude he was like are you trying to get your ass beat. I started to say something and he said i'm just kiddin my awesome dude its cool. Of course if you call them a ***** in a derogatory way they will take offense.

I don't know any black people that actually say african-american either. I always say black people.

 

[randay]

Could you pass me the oar, N-word Jim?

 

[alkemyst]

I think it's in presentation. If you are in white golf shoes and a button down collar and say 'y0 nig waz up' you are clowning.

I never used it. I usually use 'man'.

 

[Juno]

nik?