The Most Overrated Player in the NFL?

[bigdog1218]

Originally posted by: shady06

Originally posted by: jinduy
vick and culpepper

vick is almost single handedly running the falcons

2003 - Atlanta Defense - YPG- 16th (thats last) in NFC, PPG-15th
2004 - Atlanta Defense - YPG- 5th, PPG -4th

Vick is overrated, more jr is atlantas mvp this year

 

Originally posted by: jinduy
vick and culpepper

:thumbsup:

 

[bigdog1218]

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: herkulease
I say Tom Brady. commentators talk like as if he's montana. BUt he's a yo-yo. No consitency.one game he's hot the next he's no where to be found. He doesn't not deserve 2 superbowl MVPs. the 1st one should've gone to ty law. without law's int and td. brady driving into fg range was meaningless. 2nd one I say he deserved that one.

don't bother mentioning the win streak.

of the 1st 6 wins they got this year to make it 18 in a row. Only the Jets and the Colts are legit teams. Seattle is a remote 3rd.

as it stand today combined w/l record of teams they've beaten is 67-76

their remaining schedule is a cake wake. Miami, Jets and Niners.

Yes its a rant. I'm just plain tired of commentators going on and on about how get the coach Bill Belichick(can't spell his last name) and the pats are the greatest.

I guess the NFL needs a story.

27-1 (or whatever it is) in the last two seasons biatch. There is a REASON why people talk about them glowingly. Say it again, 2 SB in 3 years. Only the Broncos have done something like that in the last what..10-15 years, and it has already been revealed the circumvented the salary cap during those times.

For overrated,

Ray "Let me jump on the pile at the end of a play then do my dance" Lewis

followed by Ben Roethlisberger (not that he won't be a good/great QB, but at this point he is worse than Tom Brady circa 2001. Isn't his max yards in a game like 231 or something? It's his team's running and D that is winning mostly).

If you don't realize its the system in New England your just another blind sports fan from Boston. Dillon has more talent than the rest of the offense combined. Brady has to do one thing, no turnovers, other than that he's just another piece of the machine. And your reasons for big ben being overrated directly imply to brady too, so good job.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: herkulease
I say Tom Brady. commentators talk like as if he's montana. BUt he's a yo-yo. No consitency.one game he's hot the next he's no where to be found. He doesn't not deserve 2 superbowl MVPs. the 1st one should've gone to ty law. without law's int and td. brady driving into fg range was meaningless. 2nd one I say he deserved that one.

don't bother mentioning the win streak.

of the 1st 6 wins they got this year to make it 18 in a row. Only the Jets and the Colts are legit teams. Seattle is a remote 3rd.

as it stand today combined w/l record of teams they've beaten is 67-76

their remaining schedule is a cake wake. Miami, Jets and Niners.

Yes its a rant. I'm just plain tired of commentators going on and on about how get the coach Bill Belichick(can't spell his last name) and the pats are the greatest.

I guess the NFL needs a story.

27-1 (or whatever it is) in the last two seasons biatch. There is a REASON why people talk about them glowingly. Say it again, 2 SB in 3 years. Only the Broncos have done something like that in the last what..10-15 years, and it has already been revealed the circumvented the salary cap during those times.

For overrated,

Ray "Let me jump on the pile at the end of a play then do my dance" Lewis

followed by Ben Roethlisberger (not that he won't be a good/great QB, but at this point he is worse than Tom Brady circa 2001. Isn't his max yards in a game like 231 or something? It's his team's running and D that is winning mostly).

So they award a player a tackle after they jump on the pile at the end? So that explains why he's led the league in tackles for four years!
:roll:

 

[Chloraseptic]

Why is everyone picking Urlacher and Vick?

They're by far the best players on their respective teams.

The most over-rated player...of any sport...

Lavar Arrington.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: WT
Watch Vick play against the Tampa Bay defense, then he won't look so good anymore. Its amazing how their defense has him figured out. On any given week, Vick can take your breath away with a scramble and run for a 40 yard score .... but its never against the Bucs !

Two words: Derrick Brooks. (the least overrated player in the league.)

 

[hpkeeper]

Originally posted by: Ne0
I don't think Vick is overrated because I've never heard anyone say that he was the best. Since Vick's injury, Falcons without Vick: 2-10, Falcons with Vick: 13-4 (3-1 last season, 10-3 this season). With him healthy the season before he got injured, they went to the playoffs & beat the Packers @ Lambeau. When he got injured, Falcons won 2 games out of 12 games, when he came back that same season falcons won 3 out of last 4 games. With Vick the falcons as a whole & the defense play much better.

I gotta agree with that... Vick may be sucking this year but it's only because he's learning the west coast offense... he's more hesitant is all he is.

IMO the most over rated player is Steve McNair. He was broken half of last season and has been broken the majority of this season, yet they blame their woes on the fact that he's not the QB... Co-MVP last year and Volek is putting up better numbers than when McNair was healthy this season.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Pretty amazing pick considering the Bears are 5-4 with him in the lineup this year and 0-4 without him.

I am Green and Gold all the way but the author of that article does not know shat about football.

Ausm

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: WisMan

Originally posted by: Gatos
I would have to say that the most overrated player in this league is Donavan Mcnabb. I am just not impressed with the guy.

:thumbsup: I agree.

You're all crazy. Look at McNabb's numbers this year vs past seasons, the season he's having this year is ranked 5th all time by espn.com of any Quarterback EVER (Peyton is #1 of course). Also, having the worst receiving corps for the past 3 years didn't help his stats, TO has turned him into the 2nd best QB IN THE LEAGUE!

4th and 26, b!tch! 14.2 seconds! (If you don't know what I'm talking about, you shouldn't open your mouth because you don't follow football).

Simmer down Eagles fan. Yes, McNabb is having a great season, he is much improved over last year, and I don't think he is overrated.

However, those are TERRIBLE examples as to him being good. 4th and 26 was a play that occured due to a horrible hole in the defense, its not like McNabb did anything special in that play. 14.2 seconds...did you watch the play? Except for breaking the tackle at about, 1 second, the last 13 seconds were ALL the work of the offensive line. They were just chillin there WAITING for people to rush them because the defense was already on the ground.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: bigdog1218

If you don't realize its the system in New England your just another blind sports fan from Boston. Dillon has more talent than the rest of the offense combined. Brady has to do one thing, no turnovers, other than that he's just another piece of the machine. And your reasons for big ben being overrated directly imply to brady too, so good job.

If that's all you think Brady has to do then you are one ignorant individual. He has what great QB's like Joe Montana had, the ability to recognize defenses and call audibles to exploit them. He also knows how to distribute the ball among the other playmakers on the team making it extremely difficult for opposing teams to defense them. Like Montana (who IMO was the greatest QB in modern times) he is the ultimate field general, like having the Offensive Coordinator on the field of play.

BTW, even though I now live in Mass I wasn't sold on Brady until I was able to watch him weekly. As a life long 49er fan who witnessed the great play by Montana and Young I was able to see the similarity of Brady and Montana. Granted both definitely have benefited from the offensive scheme employed by their teams. Brady isn't the most physically talented (Manning by far) but I believe he has the best "head" of any NFL QB in the game today.

 

[Longkid]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: WisMan

Originally posted by: Gatos
I would have to say that the most overrated player in this league is Donavan Mcnabb. I am just not impressed with the guy.

:thumbsup: I agree.

You're all crazy. Look at McNabb's numbers this year vs past seasons, the season he's having this year is ranked 5th all time by espn.com of any Quarterback EVER (Peyton is #1 of course). Also, having the worst receiving corps for the past 3 years didn't help his stats, TO has turned him into the 2nd best QB IN THE LEAGUE!

4th and 26, b!tch! 14.2 seconds! (If you don't know what I'm talking about, you shouldn't open your mouth because you don't follow football).

Simmer down Eagles fan. Yes, McNabb is having a great season, he is much improved over last year, and I don't think he is overrated.

However, those are TERRIBLE examples as to him being good. 4th and 26 was a play that occured due to a horrible hole in the defense, its not like McNabb did anything special in that play. 14.2 seconds...did you watch the play? Except for breaking the tackle at about, 1 second, the last 13 seconds were ALL the work of the offensive line. They were just chillin there WAITING for people to rush them because the defense was already on the ground.

Good call Deek. Having his accomplishments last year overshadowed by the 4th and 26 is actually an insult to McNabb and all the other eagles who accomplished so much more last season. To say the person who leads a team to 12-1 is overrated (McNabb, Big Ben, Brady) is retarded. I suggest you stop watching sports center highlights and subscribe to Sunday Ticket. Watch for yourself, these three are VERY efficent at runnig their offences and the bottom line they make plays when they have to.

Im gonna agree with all who said RAY LEWIS it the most overrated player in the league. I dont understand what has happened to him. He isnt swarming to the ball like he used to, not making the hits like he used to, but he sure is just as outspoken as when he was good. He is surely going to end up in the Pro Bowl again, even though he doesnt belong there. I would put Edwards, Bulluck, Fletcher, and Thomas above Lewis as overall better LB's, and yet everyone still seems to think he is the best LB in the league. So to Lewis I say, keep piling on tackled players, keep celebrating like your the reason your defence is so good, cause apparently people are dumb enough to buy it.

 

[geecee]

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
Warren Sapp

As far as being the most overrated, for the last few years, this is definitely true. Earlier in his career, different story.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Longkid

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: WisMan

Originally posted by: Gatos
I would have to say that the most overrated player in this league is Donavan Mcnabb. I am just not impressed with the guy.

:thumbsup: I agree.

You're all crazy. Look at McNabb's numbers this year vs past seasons, the season he's having this year is ranked 5th all time by espn.com of any Quarterback EVER (Peyton is #1 of course). Also, having the worst receiving corps for the past 3 years didn't help his stats, TO has turned him into the 2nd best QB IN THE LEAGUE!

4th and 26, b!tch! 14.2 seconds! (If you don't know what I'm talking about, you shouldn't open your mouth because you don't follow football).

Simmer down Eagles fan. Yes, McNabb is having a great season, he is much improved over last year, and I don't think he is overrated.

However, those are TERRIBLE examples as to him being good. 4th and 26 was a play that occured due to a horrible hole in the defense, its not like McNabb did anything special in that play. 14.2 seconds...did you watch the play? Except for breaking the tackle at about, 1 second, the last 13 seconds were ALL the work of the offensive line. They were just chillin there WAITING for people to rush them because the defense was already on the ground.

Good call Deek. Having his accomplishments last year overshadowed by the 4th and 26 is actually an insult to McNabb and all the other eagles who accomplished so much more last season. To say the person who leads a team to 12-1 is overrated (McNabb, Big Ben, Brady) is retarded. I suggest you stop watching sports center highlights and subscribe to Sunday Ticket. Watch for yourself, these three are VERY efficent at runnig their offences and the bottom line they make plays when they have to.

Im gonna agree with all who said RAY LEWIS it the most overrated player in the league. I dont understand what has happened to him. He isnt swarming to the ball like he used to, not making the hits like he used to, but he sure is just as outspoken as when he was good. He is surely going to end up in the Pro Bowl again, even though he doesnt belong there. I would put Edwards, Bulluck, Fletcher, and Thomas above Lewis as overall better LB's, and yet everyone still seems to think he is the best LB in the league. So to Lewis I say, keep piling on tackled players, keep celebrating like your the reason your defence is so good, cause apparently people are dumb enough to buy it.

Ray Lewis is the most overrated? Scroll down to 2003 Defensive Player of the Year. Why wasn't it Bulluck, Edwards, Fletcher, or Thomas last year, and how come all but Edwards is ahead in cmb tackles this season? Ray was in his 8th season in 2003, and he's almost 30 years old! Oh I get it, it was a conspiracy by the Associated Press!! Can you pass me the crackpipe too, I'd like to take a toke.

Who said McNabb's accomplishments are overshadowed by 4th and 26? ROFL... The fact that he put a bullet to Mitchell's chest through 3 defenders, in such a pressure situation, takes nothing away from his accomplishments but only adds to his legend. As does a 60 yard pass (on the money), against the grain and while scrambling; in a play that lasted 14.2 seconds, does. No other QB in the NFL can make a pass like that in the NFL minus a guy named Vick, not even Manning.

 

[Deeko]

The truly great QB's don't need 14.2 seconds to hit a guy. 4th and 26 was wide open, not a bullet through 3 guys. Don't forget who got sacked to produce 4th and 26 in the first place.

Those two places are just horrible examples. He's a great QB this year, but horrid examples that had nothing to do with him.

 

[Mr N8]

Originally posted by: geecee

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
Warren Sapp

As far as being the most overrated, for the last few years, this is definitely true. Earlier in his career, different story.

Pre-league change up, he was a monster. After the divisions got all switched up, he slid into mediocrity, and now he's just a chump. He seems to care more about his image than he does about his actual skills. Seems to me, Sapp needs to do some serious retraining and refocusing.

Another cadidate for most overrated player could Mike McKenzie. Of course, that comes from a Packer fan, who paid that chump to help GB lose a game by turning in a craptastic performance and then became mysteriously "injured." In the real world, that's called extortion.

 

[Phokus]

Eh, McNabb had really crappy receivers the previous years. Take Jerry Rice away from joe montana and he probably wouldn't produce the wins that he did.

 

[bigdog1218]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: bigdog1218

If you don't realize its the system in New England your just another blind sports fan from Boston. Dillon has more talent than the rest of the offense combined. Brady has to do one thing, no turnovers, other than that he's just another piece of the machine. And your reasons for big ben being overrated directly imply to brady too, so good job.

If that's all you think Brady has to do then you are one ignorant individual. He has what great QB's like Joe Montana had, the ability to recognize defenses and call audibles to exploit them. He also knows how to distribute the ball among the other playmakers on the team making it extremely difficult for opposing teams to defense them. Like Montana (who IMO was the greatest QB in modern times) he is the ultimate field general, like having the Offensive Coordinator on the field of play.

BTW, even though I now live in Mass I wasn't sold on Brady until I was able to watch him weekly. As a life long 49er fan who witnessed the great play by Montana and Young I was able to see the similarity of Brady and Montana. Granted both definitely have benefited from the offensive scheme employed by their teams. Brady isn't the most physically talented (Manning by far) but I believe he has the best "head" of any NFL QB in the game today.

Its pointless arguing with any boston fan cause anyone playing in boston is the greatest player until they leave, but I'll try.

Tom Brady is average. He doesn't have to do anything at all, and the pats win. All he has to do is avoid turnovers, thats it. Call audibles to exploit defenses? Brady's leash this year for calling audibles is a little longer than previous years, but it is ridiculous to say thats one of his better attributes. I have no idea where you got that from, the amount of audibles he does call, like everything else he does, is on average with every other QB in the league. And your argument for distributing the ball is just great for my argument, because the Pats are a machine, every player serves there part and thats it. There are no stars that stand out because Belichick, winner of two super bowl MVPS, just destroys other coaches, and his players don't get in his way.

Not to mention the pats D has been ridiculous for their superbowl wins, and again this year. I mean Brad Johnsons carrer passer rating is 3 points below Bradys, are you gonna call him an amazing QB that led the Bucs to a superbowl win? I mean the year he won the Bucs the superbowl, his QB rating was higher than any season Brady has had, so I guess he won them the superbowl right. Brady is a servicable piece of a larger machine, which he does great at, but doesn't make him a great QB, good, but not great.

 

[Gatos]

I don't care if the eagles are 12-1. Donovan Mcnabb is still overrated. He has great numbers but the NFC sucks right now. You know what is going to be funny, is when the eagles lose in the playoffs, becuase you can beat the eagles if you run against them and that is how they are going to lose. They have to hit a low point at some time. TO is still a head case and his teammates are probably getting sick of him taking credit for everything. TO is a great reciever but he will be the demise of that team. In the playoffs, they will lose, and the superbowl winners will be the patriots once again.

 

[kalster]

i lived in chicago for a year and pretty much watched all the bears' games last year, i have to go with urlacher, commentators and radio show hosts kept raving about him but i dont recall him making 1 big play that stands out in my memory

 

[cavemanmoron]

I like football but, too many Athletes in all the Pro sports make WAY too much money.

 

[Tylanner]

I'm feeling ALOT of hate in here...

Some unbiased "facts":

Urlacher makes the big plays, but he ain't no Singletary inside.

Vick has the legs and the powerful arm and he is a proven winner, but hasn't really done anything to show that he has the accuracy or the QB "it" factor.

Mcnabb makes the big plays, has the arm, and now has a big time receiver. He has never had great tools to work with, but somehow finds a way to win. Definition of "it" factor.

Favre? He shouldn't even be mentioned in this thread! And I'm a bears fan..

Bottom Line: The NFL is the sh!t and I would love it if the Bears could get a QB for christmas.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: bigdog1218

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: bigdog1218

If you don't realize its the system in New England your just another blind sports fan from Boston. Dillon has more talent than the rest of the offense combined. Brady has to do one thing, no turnovers, other than that he's just another piece of the machine. And your reasons for big ben being overrated directly imply to brady too, so good job.

If that's all you think Brady has to do then you are one ignorant individual. He has what great QB's like Joe Montana had, the ability to recognize defenses and call audibles to exploit them. He also knows how to distribute the ball among the other playmakers on the team making it extremely difficult for opposing teams to defense them. Like Montana (who IMO was the greatest QB in modern times) he is the ultimate field general, like having the Offensive Coordinator on the field of play.

BTW, even though I now live in Mass I wasn't sold on Brady until I was able to watch him weekly. As a life long 49er fan who witnessed the great play by Montana and Young I was able to see the similarity of Brady and Montana. Granted both definitely have benefited from the offensive scheme employed by their teams. Brady isn't the most physically talented (Manning by far) but I believe he has the best "head" of any NFL QB in the game today.

Its pointless arguing with any boston fan cause anyone playing in boston is the greatest player until they leave, but I'll try.

Tom Brady is average. He doesn't have to do anything at all, and the pats win. All he has to do is avoid turnovers, thats it. Call audibles to exploit defenses? Brady's leash this year for calling audibles is a little longer than previous years, but it is ridiculous to say thats one of his better attributes. I have no idea where you got that from, the amount of audibles he does call, like everything else he does, is on average with every other QB in the league. And your argument for distributing the ball is just great for my argument, because the Pats are a machine, every player serves there part and thats it. There are no stars that stand out because Belichick, winner of two super bowl MVPS, just destroys other coaches, and his players don't get in his way.

Not to mention the pats D has been ridiculous for their superbowl wins, and again this year. I mean Brad Johnsons carrer passer rating is 3 points below Bradys, are you gonna call him an amazing QB that led the Bucs to a superbowl win? I mean the year he won the Bucs the superbowl, his QB rating was higher than any season Brady has had, so I guess he won them the superbowl right. Brady is a servicable piece of a larger machine, which he does great at, but doesn't make him a great QB, good, but not great.

I guess you know more than the experts then.

 

[Longkid]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Longkid

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: WisMan

Originally posted by: Gatos
I would have to say that the most overrated player in this league is Donavan Mcnabb. I am just not impressed with the guy.

:thumbsup: I agree.

You're all crazy. Look at McNabb's numbers this year vs past seasons, the season he's having this year is ranked 5th all time by espn.com of any Quarterback EVER (Peyton is #1 of course). Also, having the worst receiving corps for the past 3 years didn't help his stats, TO has turned him into the 2nd best QB IN THE LEAGUE!

4th and 26, b!tch! 14.2 seconds! (If you don't know what I'm talking about, you shouldn't open your mouth because you don't follow football).

Simmer down Eagles fan. Yes, McNabb is having a great season, he is much improved over last year, and I don't think he is overrated.

However, those are TERRIBLE examples as to him being good. 4th and 26 was a play that occured due to a horrible hole in the defense, its not like McNabb did anything special in that play. 14.2 seconds...did you watch the play? Except for breaking the tackle at about, 1 second, the last 13 seconds were ALL the work of the offensive line. They were just chillin there WAITING for people to rush them because the defense was already on the ground.

Good call Deek. Having his accomplishments last year overshadowed by the 4th and 26 is actually an insult to McNabb and all the other eagles who accomplished so much more last season. To say the person who leads a team to 12-1 is overrated (McNabb, Big Ben, Brady) is retarded. I suggest you stop watching sports center highlights and subscribe to Sunday Ticket. Watch for yourself, these three are VERY efficent at runnig their offences and the bottom line they make plays when they have to.

Im gonna agree with all who said RAY LEWIS it the most overrated player in the league. I dont understand what has happened to him. He isnt swarming to the ball like he used to, not making the hits like he used to, but he sure is just as outspoken as when he was good. He is surely going to end up in the Pro Bowl again, even though he doesnt belong there. I would put Edwards, Bulluck, Fletcher, and Thomas above Lewis as overall better LB's, and yet everyone still seems to think he is the best LB in the league. So to Lewis I say, keep piling on tackled players, keep celebrating like your the reason your defence is so good, cause apparently people are dumb enough to buy it.

Ray Lewis is the most overrated? Scroll down to 2003 Defensive Player of the Year. Why wasn't it Bulluck, Edwards, Fletcher, or Thomas last year, and how come all but Edwards is ahead in cmb tackles this season? Ray was in his 8th season in 2003, and he's almost 30 years old! Oh I get it, it was a conspiracy by the Associated Press!! Can you pass me the crackpipe too, I'd like to take a toke.

Who said McNabb's accomplishments are overshadowed by 4th and 26? ROFL... The fact that he put a bullet to Mitchell's chest through 3 defenders, in such a pressure situation, takes nothing away from his accomplishments but only adds to his legend. As does a 60 yard pass (on the money), against the grain and while scrambling; in a play that lasted 14.2 seconds, does. No other QB in the NFL can make a pass like that in the NFL minus a guy named Vick, not even Manning.

Sadly Im replying to a guy who names Vick as the only other one who can make the big play passing. Makes me wonder if you have even watched fooball the last few seasons. You should continue to hit that crack pipe bud. Besides, isnt this a thread about the most overrated player THIS YEAR. Thanks for the info on ray winning last year but its irrelevent to my arguement.

Turning to McNabb, i may have worded my previous post incorrectly. 4th and 26 was amazing, actually mindblowing and Im not trying to detract from that. However, it was only one play and to define the eagles and mcnabb by that one play is wrong. Maybe in the same breath you should mention Westbrooks kick return on Oct 19 (?) against the Giants, sparking a 9-0 run. Or maybe include mcnabb game winning drives against Dallas, at Miami, and at Carolina. How bout overcomming injuries to Taylor, Dawkins, McDougle, Burgess, or Green and still being competative. See, if you actually live in Philly, which I do and have for the last 4 years, you might be a bit more informed as to the scope of the accomplishments this team had in the 2003 season besides that imfamous play. It was a fluke, 99 outta 100 he or anyone else misses that play. Great play, dont define him by it.

 

[ath50]

Sadly Im replying to a guy who names Vick as the only other one who can make the big play passing.

I think he was more refering to how Vick usually throws fvcking rockets at his receivers....though they are usually way off or too hard for anyone to catch...I don't really see Vick making that type of a play. The good quarterbacks can throw hard when they need to..

TO really hasn't been that much of a factor the last few games, hes been more of a distractor so that other offensive weapons (aka Westbrook) get open easier.

We'll see what happens with the MRI tomorrow but it looks like TO might sit out for the next few, but I guess it doesn't really matter at all, since the next two games are meaningless for the eagles.

TO is still a head case and his teammates are probably getting sick of him taking credit for everything.

That sounds like BS to me, I dunno what the media makes you think of TO, but his teammates sure enjoy having him on the team, and how does he take credit for "everything"?

 

[Gatos]

With TO out now you will all see why Donavan McNabb is the MOST OVERATED PLAYER IN THE GAME. Watching the eagles drop like drop will be fun to watch!!!!