The Jussie Smollett Affair

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If that had been the case, then why would he still try and stay in the spotlight? I would imagine he would have the ability to look back and see that things do not add up. We have the leaks that show that he was planning this for a while. This seems to have been planed out, and then dragged out. This does not seem like an accident.

Mean duration of an untreated manic episode of bipolar I disorder is 3 months. If this speculation is correct, it may well be that it was planned and he is still in an altered state of mind and technically criminally responsible, yet I could see electing not to prosecute someone for being sick and agreeing to keep the fact that they are sick private as a rationale for that decision.

But again it's speculation. I have no evidence one way or another, and I only think of it because it's what I do with my life. There may be other more rational explanations that I haven't thought of or maybe it's corruption outright. I think we need to recognize though that such a suggestion is also speculation.

 

[realibrad]

Mean duration of an untreated manic episode of bipolar I disorder is 3 months. If this speculation is correct, it may well be that it was planned and he is still in an altered state of mind and technically criminally responsible, yet I could see electing not to prosecute someone for being sick and agreeing to keep the fact that they are sick private as a rationale for that decision.

But again it's speculation. I have no evidence one way or another, and I only think of it because it's what I do with my life. There may be other more rational explanations that I haven't thought of or maybe it's corruption outright. I think we need to recognize though that such a suggestion is also speculation.

That's interesting, I did not realize it could last that long.

What would be some of the differences between manic episode vs just a narcissist doing something like this?

 

[jackstar7]

I keep it their because of what I stated in my post. All people are equally important. The lives of all people matter. It's really just that simple; no hidden meaning - total face value. Nice try though.

Mmmhmm. And the Confederate Flag is about heritage and honor.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Mmmhmm. And the Confederate Flag is about heritage and honor.

New flash, moron, my family, during that part of US history, fought in the Union Army (on my dad's side) and (on my mother's side) weren't in this country yet, lived up north, or lived in Maryland and were involved with the underground railroad. Yes, moron, that underground railroad. The one that actively hid slaves and helped them escape to the north. I'm a Yankee, moron. I've never had any regard for the Confederate flag.

You're an even worse lib cliche than Vic. You're an intellectually myopic dolt that can't deal with anyone that doesn't fit your prejudiced opinion of anyone that doesn't align with your intolerant programming. People like you are the reason that most non libs don't bother trying to engage people like you anymore. You're just not worth the effort.

 

[jackstar7]

New flash, moron, my family, during that part of US history, fought in the Union Army (on my dad's side) and (on my mother's side) weren't in this country yet, lived up north, or lived in Maryland and were involved with the underground railroad. Yes, moron, that underground railroad. The one that actively hid slaves and helped them escape to the north. I'm a Yankee, moron. I've never had any regard for the Confederate flag.

You're an even worse lib cliche than Vic. You're an intellectually myopic dolt that can't deal with anyone that doesn't fit your prejudiced opinion of anyone that doesn't align with your intolerant programming. People like you are the reason that most non libs don't bother trying to engage people like you anymore. You're just not worth the effort.

Wow. You're as verbose a dumbnuts as I've seen since Quibbler when he gets wound up.

You understand what analogies are, right? I wasn't saying you embrace the Confederate flag. I was saying that using All Lives Matter is equivalent signaling regardless of your dipshit intent. You don't get to dictate the meaning that other people apply to your words and actions. The best you can do is clarify, but if you do so and dismiss the feedback you get, don't be shocked when you get punched in the face by someone less tolerant of your idiocy.

Reasonable perspicacity though. I'll give you that.

But labeling me intolerant because I called out your little racist dog whistle is pretty hilarious and suggests there's a lot of projection going on in your post here, tough guy.

 

[realibrad]

Wow. You're as verbose a dumbnuts as I've seen since Quibbler when he gets wound up.

You understand what analogies are, right? I wasn't saying you embrace the Confederate flag. I was saying that using All Lives Matter is equivalent signaling regardless of your dipshit intent. You don't get to dictate the meaning that other people apply to your words and actions. The best you can do is clarify, but if you do so and dismiss the feedback you get, don't be shocked when you get punched in the face by someone less tolerant of your idiocy.

Reasonable perspicacity though. I'll give you that.

But labeling me intolerant because I called out your little racist dog whistle is pretty hilarious and suggests there's a lot of projection going on in your post here, tough guy.

Are you going to say anything on topic? All I have seen from you is a constant stream of posts where you insult people and try to drag them off topic. What are your views on Jussie and things related?

 

[jackstar7]

*Birds chirping*

What's that, Quibbler?

 

[realibrad]

Lol, you responded, and then a day later after you saw someone up voted my post, you went back and voted again on my post.

 

[jackstar7]

Lol, you responded, and then a day later after you saw someone up voted my post, you went back and voted again on my post.

And this is "on topic" posting, eh, Quibbles?

 

[FerrelGeek]

Yes, I've been told that I'm actually good at analogies. However, your on-liner drop about the Confederate flag was poorly stated as an analogy. As to my AllLivesMatter, too bad. My defense of it and what it means to me is perfectly reasonable, especially in light of my original post that Vic commented on. Given that I am an egalitarian, my meaning and intent for AllLivesMatter should be patently obvious. But it only goes to show how some on the left get off on being triggered, even when intent is explained. It's not my responsibility or obligation to bow to the oppression of political correctness and intolerant liberal dogma. You don't get to dictate the meaning that I imply to my words, son; this is why we have the first amendment. So sorry that that inconveniences you and those like you. I did clarify my intent and you have the right to not accept it. See? I'm the more tolerant one. I'm not about to punch someone because they exercise their free will to say something that I don't like. You're the one bringing up the example of someone using violence to express their displeasure, not me. So is liberal violence acceptable to you? As to your closing comment, call me a racist all you want; I couldn't care less. Those who know me (and I have lefite and rightie friends) will all stand up and tell you to your face that your accusation is baseless. I could just as easily set up a set of silly definitions to call you a fascist, but doesn't mean you are one. This whole defining terms and alleged actions to label someone as desirable is one of the many things with which I take issues with people on both sides of the aisle.

Now, back on topic. Answer realibrad's question in post 1506. I've already stated my opinion and you never commented on that either.

Tell me. Are you ok with the issue where Jussie may very well have been willing to falsely accuse 2 guys that one might reasonably assume would be white? (Remember, he stated after the fact that the Nigerian brothers were wearing white face.) What if he'd actually been able to pull of his inept stunt and the falsely accused guys had gone to trial? Would that be ok? What if they'd been convicted?

So, let's hear your thoughts on the topic at hand, shall we?

Wow. You're as verbose a dumbnuts as I've seen since Quibbler when he gets wound up.

You understand what analogies are, right? I wasn't saying you embrace the Confederate flag. I was saying that using All Lives Matter is equivalent signaling regardless of your dipshit intent. You don't get to dictate the meaning that other people apply to your words and actions. The best you can do is clarify, but if you do so and dismiss the feedback you get, don't be shocked when you get punched in the face by someone less tolerant of your idiocy.

Reasonable perspicacity though. I'll give you that.

But labeling me intolerant because I called out your little racist dog whistle is pretty hilarious and suggests there's a lot of projection going on in your post here, tough guy.

 

[jackstar7]

So you're proud to be aligned with racists. Cool.

Regarding Jussie's situation, I have commented upon this. I don't trust the CPD. Additionally, I think Jussie seems to have problems. Do I care that he seems to have paid some small price for his alleged deeds? Not really. Maybe if he paid a bigger price and that meant that class might stop influencing how the justice system affects people then I'd be interested in that. But money buys justice and water is wet. Jussie is hardly powerful and while his actions might have deleterious effects for other victims of hate crimes, I doubt that anyone who doubted his story was really going to believe any hate crime sight-unseen. I'll continue to err on the side of victims, which I said in this thread a long while back. Defaulting to empathy/sympathy doesn't cost me anything and leads to better outcomes long-term.

 

[96Firebird]

LOL jackstar, the racist that calls other racists. Gold.

 

[jackstar7]

LOL jackstar, the racist that calls other racists. Gold.

Oh neat! Can you tell me more about my racism?

 

[Ichinisan]

Yes, I've been told that I'm actually good at analogies. ...

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/some-people-are-just-bad-at-analogies.2430023/

 

[realibrad]

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/some-people-are-just-bad-at-analogies.2430023/

Amazing. Well done. Not sure how I missed that, but, I literally laughed out loud.

 

[jackstar7]

LOL jackstar, the racist that calls other racists. Gold.

Oh neat! Can you tell me more about my racism?

Huh. I guess he couldn't.

 

[realibrad]

Huh. I guess he couldn't.

Hey, point to the racist thing(s) I have said.

 

[jackstar7]

Hey, point to the racist thing(s) I have said.

I don't have that kind of time, nor do I care enough about you.

 

[realibrad]

I don't have that kind of time, nor do I care enough about you.

But, you think he cares about you? Pretty narcissistic it seems.

 

[FerrelGeek]

There was nothing in my post that aligned myself with racists, proudly or otherwise. This, again, is your cliche liberal attitude that you can't deal with anything that falls outside of your programming. Don't agree 100% with my views on what constitutes racism? You must be a racist. Don't agree with my position on open boarders? You're a xenophobe. and on and on it goes. Again, this is why more and more non libs aren't bothering with you guys anymore. People like you can't be reasoned with.

Now, as to your response re Jussie...

You should distrust CPD. For that matter, any sane person should distrust ALL of Chicago / Cook County government. Overt corruption is their stock and trade.

I'm all for seeing people trying to buy justice or using their influence or their friends to get the justice they think they deserve. Jussie got off too easy and I think that that was a miscarriage of justice brought about by him knowing the right people.

See my correction, in bold, below.

Nobody should accept something as a hate crime sight unseen. A healthy skepticism is a mark of intellectual and emotional maturity. We also have this little thing that people are innocent until proven guilty. That concept separates the US from many countries in the world. It's a good thing, too.

My skepticism about Jussie's story had NOTHING to do with race, lack of empathy, or a lack of desire to side with the victim. His story rang hollow from the start with his ridiculous claim that his alleged assailants stated something to the effect of 'this is MAGA country'. Simply put, Chicago isn't 'MAGA country' - period. Also, I don't recall any of the MAGA hat wearing types use that particular phrase. I would also tend to doubt that the MAGA hat types would've worn their hats during such an attack. Holding onto his sub was also a dead giveaway.

Alas, I've attempted, yet again, to pull you off of your lib programming. So sorry, dear boy. You have my permission to go bet a puppy to calm you down.

So you're proud to be aligned with racists. Cool.

Regarding Jussie's situation, I have commented upon this. I don't trust the CPD. Additionally, I think Jussie seems to have problems. Do I care that he seems to have paid some small price for his alleged deeds? Not really. Maybe if he paid a bigger price and that meant that class might stop influencing how the justice system affects people then I'd be interested in that. But money buys justice and water is wet. Jussie is hardly powerful and while his actions might have deleterious effects for real victims of hate crimes, I doubt that anyone who doubted his story was really going to believe any hate crime sight-unseen. I'll continue to err on the side of victims, which I said in this thread a long while back. Defaulting to empathy/sympathy doesn't cost me anything and leads to better outcomes long-term.

 

[jackstar7]

There was nothing in my post that aligned myself with racists, proudly or otherwise. This, again, is your cliche liberal attitude that you can't deal with anything that falls outside of your programming. Don't agree 100% with my views on what constitutes racism? You must be a racist. Don't agree with my position on open boarders? You're a xenophobe. and on and on it goes. Again, this is why more and more non libs aren't bothering with you guys anymore. People like you can't be reasoned with.

Now, as to your response re Jussie...

You should distrust CPD. For that matter, any sane person should distrust ALL of Chicago / Cook County government. Overt corruption is their stock and trade.

I'm all for seeing people trying to buy justice or using their influence or their friends to get the justice they think they deserve. Jussie got off too easy and I think that that was a miscarriage of justice brought about by him knowing the right people.

See my correction, in bold, below.

Nobody should accept something as a hate crime sight unseen. A healthy skepticism is a mark of intellectual and emotional maturity. We also have this little thing that people are innocent until proven guilty. That concept separates the US from many countries in the world. It's a good thing, too.

My skepticism about Jussie's story had NOTHING to do with race, lack of empathy, or a lack of desire to side with the victim. His story rang hollow from the start with his ridiculous claim that his alleged assailants stated something to the effect of 'this is MAGA country'. Simply put, Chicago isn't 'MAGA country' - period. Also, I don't recall any of the MAGA hat wearing types use that particular phrase. I would also tend to doubt that the MAGA hat types would've worn their hats during such an attack. Holding onto his sub was also a dead giveaway.

Alas, I've attempted, yet again, to pull you off of your lib programming. So sorry, dear boy. You have my permission to go bet a puppy to calm you down.

Hey, at least you're absurdly condescending while clearly not in a position to be so. That's good for a laugh.

It lets me feel fine about your hand-waving away of things you blindly don't agree with while calling me programmed.

 

[jackstar7]

But, you think he cares about you? Pretty narcissistic it seems.

You really are the best person to analyze people's text-based personalities.

Please continue.

 

[Oyeve]

I'm sick of this guy and all the bullshit excuses for him. His ass should be fired from that crappy show, but nooooo, the cast loooooves him. So glad I don't watch that crap.

 

[realibrad]

You really are the best person to analyze people's text-based personalities.

Please continue.

Its pretty clear. Someone accused you of being racist, and you responded by asking them to show evidence of something racist you have said. You accuse me of being racist, so I ask you what I have said that is racist. Your response to me is that you don't care enough to provide evidence of your claim. That should seem to be the same response to you when you ask someone else to do the thing you are unwilling to do.

Again, we see you in this thread not talking about the topic, but, getting into an argument about something totally unrelated. This seems to happen a lot with you.

 

[jackstar7]

Its pretty clear. Someone accused you of being racist, and you responded by asking them to show evidence of something racist you have said. You accuse me of being racist, so I ask you what I have said that is racist. Your response to me is that you don't care enough to provide evidence of your claim. That should seem to be the same response to you when you ask someone else to do the thing you are unwilling to do.

Again, we see you in this thread not talking about the topic, but, getting into an argument about something totally unrelated. This seems to happen a lot with you.

You're very obsessed with me.