The joy of religion - part xxxxxxxxx

[Moonbeam]

I'm saying we can't value our own opinions as if they are anything more than that. If there is a God, he knows much more than us. I question God all the time but at the same time I realize who I am and my limitations.

I have no problem with modesty and due consideration for limitations. I do not agree, however, that I must accept a monstrous god if such a god is written into texts. I say that such a monstrous god was written by people who were monsters, that the texts are full of shit.

 

[MongGrel]

God doesn't create people for the "express" purpose of going to hell and being tormented.

proof ?

Some people would argue the game was rigged to begin with, and that does seem to be the intent.

 

[fskimospy]

God doesn't create people for the "express" purpose of going to hell and being tormented.

Right. You said we aren't in a position to question god though even if he did.

Or are you saying there are times when we would be able to label God's actions as evil?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I'm saying we can't value our own opinions as if they are anything more than that.

That might be YOUR opinion, but nobody is obligated to share it. I don't.

If there is a God, he knows much more than us.

Non-sequitur.

 

[bshole]

God doesn't create people for the "express" purpose of going to hell and being tormented.

I think it pretty evident what the purpose of Hell is. To scare the everliving shit out of anybody who hears about it. It is one of the big reasons that Christianity has held on so long, people too afraid of hell to think critically. The people who came up with the concept were brilliant.

I remember the absolute terror I grew up with believing in Hell. I was never sure I was saved. I was always asking God to give me a sign to ensure that I was saved.

Thankfully I am covered in any case. I accepted Jesus into my heart and accepted his gift to me as a child and teenager. So even though I don't believe in the Christian God anymore, I can't lose my salvation, it says so right there in the Bible. I have bested Pascal's Wager, I can now live like a pillaging Hun, fling spit balls at God and still go to heaven, bahahahahahahahahahahaha, SUCK IT.

 

[buckshot24]

Thankfully I am covered in any case. I accepted Jesus into my heart and accepted his gift to me as a child and teenager. So even though I don't believe in the Christian God anymore, I can't lose my salvation, it says so right there in the Bible. I have bested Pascal's Wager, I can now live like a pillaging Hun, fling spit balls at God and still go to heaven, bahahahahahahahahahahaha, SUCK IT.

You'll be sadly mistaken.

 

[bshole]

You'll be sadly mistaken.

Ok that is a blasephemous statement and directly contradicts the Bible. Perhaps you should check your own salvation before judging somebody else's. Your opinion that you are going to heaven is just that.... yours. You do not know God's opinion on that.

https://carm.org/can-believer-lose-his-salvation

CARM's position is that a Christian cannot lose his/her salvation. Let's take a look at Scripture to see why.

• Jesus said in John 8:29, "And He who sent Me is with Me; He has not left Me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to Him."
• John 6:39, "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day."

In John 8:29, we can clearly see that Jesus always does the will of the Father. So if Jesus always does the will of the Father and the will of the Father is that Jesus lose none and also raise all those to glory who had been given to Him by the Father (John 6:39), then salvation cannot be lost. Otherwise, Jesus sinned by failing to do the will of the Father. Remember, it is the will of the Father that Jesus lose none, not that Christians don't lose their own salvation of their "own free will." Again, if someone loses his salvation, then Jesus failed to do the will of the Father because it would mean He has lost some and that He will also fail to raise up to glory those who have been given to Him by the Father. This just cannot be.

 

[buckshot24]

Ok that is a blasephemous statement and directly contradicts the Bible. Perhaps you should check your own salvation before judging somebody else's. Your opinion that you are going to heaven is just that.... yours. You do not know God's opinion on that.

https://carm.org/can-believer-lose-his-salvation

The apostate calls me a blasphemer? Doesn't mean a lot to me.

The author of that article thinks you're not saved as well.

Here's a hint. Calling yourself a Christian doesn't mean you really are one.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

You'll be sadly mistaken.

My Muslim friend says you're mistaken.
My Hindu friend says you're mistaken.
My Buddhist friend says you're mistaken.
My Universalist friend says you're mistaken.
Etc
Etc

Whoop-dee-fucking-doo

 

[bshole]

My Muslim friend says you're mistaken.
My Hindu friend says you're mistaken.
My Buddhist friend says you're mistaken.
My Universalist friend says you're mistaken.
Etc
Etc

Whoop-dee-fucking-doo

One of the joys of Christianity is talking about how everybody else is going to hell but we are saved. I gotta bellyfull of that as a kid. Always judging everybody else, always supremely confident that our interpretation is correct, always confident that everybody who doesn't believe the EXACT same thing as us are gonna burn, never once considering that we could be wrong, PROUD of the fact that there is not a single piece of objective tangible evidence that we are right, faith without evidence is admirable.... not childish, etc...

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

The apostate calls me a blasphemer? Doesn't mean a lot to me.

The author of that article thinks you're not saved as well.

Here's a hint. Calling yourself a Christian doesn't mean you really are one.

If we should know them by their fruits, then we can be pretty certain you're not a Christian either.

 

[Vaux]

My Muslim friend says you're mistaken.
My Hindu friend says you're mistaken.
My Buddhist friend says you're mistaken.
My Universalist friend says you're mistaken.
Etc
Etc

Whoop-dee-fucking-doo

You have very diversified friends.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

You have very diversified friends.

Yeah, I'm not like buckshot24. I don't shit my pants at the notion of somebody believing differently than me.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

The apostate calls me a blasphemer? Doesn't mean a lot to me.

Genetic fallacy. You haven't refuted the claim, you are simply dismissing it because of who said it.

 

[MagickMan]

You ever heard of "the illusion of choice"? That's what this is. If he knows what's to happen that's because he deems it to happen. Basically your saying life is predetermined by God yet we still have free will. Just can't happen it's not logical in the slightest.

No, that's not what that is. If a being can see your future and knows what you're going to do, that doesn't limit your choices in the present.

 

[Victorian Gray]

And you just made it.

Won't it be great when the only posts you see are your own.

 

[MagickMan]

Oh, ouch. That stings.

The truth is oftentimes very painful.

These questions have all been answered in earlier posts. I encourage you to read them.

No, they didn't touch on why it matters.

 

[MagickMan]

double post

 

[MagickMan]

Or are you saying there are times when we would be able to label God's actions as evil?

Of course.

 

[buckshot24]

No, that's not what that is. If a being can see your future and knows what you're going to do, that doesn't limit your choices in the present.

Trust me, don't waste your time.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Trust me, don't waste your time.

Why would anyone trust somebody that believes in an invisible mass murderer in the sky?

 

[buckshot24]

Why would anyone trust somebody that believes in an invisible mass murderer in the sky?

To the list.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

No, that's not what that is. If a being can see your future and knows what you're going to do, that doesn't limit your choices in the present.

Yes, it does, as I showed in an earlier post. You're invited to address that argument and indicate where you believe that it fails. Anything less is meaningless gainsaying.

No, they didn't touch on why it matters.

You have comprehension problems, then.

 

[WelshBloke]

Won't it be great when the only posts you see are your own.

Thats how religions start! :sneaky:

 

[WelshBloke]

No, that's not what that is. If a being can see your future and knows what you're going to do, that doesn't limit your choices in the present.

Not sure I follow you there. If I know exactly what you are going to do and I've know that for ever then what choices do you have? Youre going to do exactly what I know that youre going to do.