The Joe Biden sexual assault allegation

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Brainonska511

Brainonska511

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sandorski said:
It wouldn't be a slam dunk though. A Complaint does not prove the Event. It would certainly be yet another piece of evidence that she isn't just makng up things as a plot hatched up with Putin, but that idea should, IMO, already be put to rest with all the various confirmations from nearly 30 years ago.
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Perhaps not quite a slam dunk, but it would likely put some of her credibility issues to rest. I don't think anyone is claiming that there is some Putin plot 30 years in the making.
 
sandorski

sandorski

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Brainonska511 said:
Perhaps not quite a slam dunk, but it would likely put some of her credibility issues to rest. I don't think anyone is claiming that there is some Putin plot 30 years in the making.
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I agree, it should put Credibility issues to rest, but I have my doubts as many of those issues have already been put to rest without any seeming affect.
 
theeedude

theeedude

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sandorski said:
So Putin loved her back and got her to do something? What are you accusing here of?
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Why not? She basically wrote a "hey, I am a useful idiot, I worked in congress, please notice me" letter. Why wouldn't Russian intelligence notice and at least follow up to see what dirt they could get out of her? Because they are incompetent? It would take them 5 minutes to find out she worked for Biden, and then do you think they'd just say, oh well, isn't that curious, let's drink some vodka and forget about it?
 
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sandorski said:
Come the fuck on, you are fully aware by now that these people have made such statements. I'm not going to be fucking Gish Galloped with this nonsense.
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Hardly. I didn't bring it up. Starbuck did. All I know for sure is that he made the claim. Given what's transpired, there's no reason to believe she hasn't been lying all along in order to manipulate people by gaining their sympathy. Some people are like that.
 
Vic

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sandorski said:
It wouldn't be a slam dunk though. A Complaint does not prove the Event. It would certainly be yet another piece of evidence that she isn't just makng up things as a plot hatched up with Putin, but that idea should, IMO, already be put to rest with all the various confirmations from nearly 30 years ago.
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Did those confirmations from nearly 30 years ago come forward nearly 30 years ago, or recently?
 
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imported_tajmahal said:
Smearing the victim of a sexual assault, smearing a rape victim. Nice job.
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It's not appropriate to smear anyone. I am uncomfortable with some of the reporting about Tara. Some of the other which lends to her credibility is appropriate trusting that the journalists did an ethical job in investigating and reporting on findings which met journalistic standards. Unfortunately, this is hard to verify. It is one of the reasons why an independent investigation getting accounts from various sources (including RE: her credibility) on the record and presenting findings after review to ensure that only things which meet a standard as credible and material are released. In the absence of such an investigation, it's not wrong for a journalist to publish results which are damaging to Tara's credibility provided they meet journalistic ethical standards in doing so.

imported_tajmahal said:
Feel free to refute the charge against Biden. Where was he on the day it happened?
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Sure, a reliable alibi is a great way to clear a person. It's obviously a really big stretch to think that Biden could produce full accounting for his whereabouts for a random day in 1993 at this time.

imported_tajmahal said:
Why did his staff suddenly turn and persecute Tara?
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Can you be more specific about what happened in this regard and what evidence is presented which corroborates this claim?

imported_tajmahal said:
She told her mother of the assault, a friend and her brother at the time it happened, all have corroborated her story, even her late mother through call.
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That's not actually the case. You'd have to look at what each individual has stated, and I don't have the time to go and do that right now, but a lot of what has been corroborated has been accounts that Tara shared about her original story of sexual harassment, and the mother's phone call has even less detail but would fit better in tone with a sexual harassment concern than rape concern.

imported_tajmahal said:
Uncle Joe Biden has a long sexual predator history including inappropriate touching of women.
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I think you are using inflammatory language saying "sexual predator history" which is not appropriate here. Outside of this allegation, there have been other reports of inappropriate conduct which constitutes sexual harassment but not assault or rape.
 
HomerJS

HomerJS

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interchange said:
It's not appropriate to smear anyone. I am uncomfortable with some of the reporting about Tara. Some of the other which lends to her credibility is appropriate trusting that the journalists did an ethical job in investigating and reporting on findings which met journalistic standards. Unfortunately, this is hard to verify. It is one of the reasons why an independent investigation getting accounts from various sources (including RE: her credibility) on the record and presenting findings after review to ensure that only things which meet a standard as credible and material are released. In the absence of such an investigation, it's not wrong for a journalist to publish results which are damaging to Tara's credibility provided they meet journalistic ethical standards in doing so.



Sure, a reliable alibi is a great way to clear a person. It's obviously a really big stretch to think that Biden could produce full accounting for his whereabouts for a random day in 1993 at this time.



Can you be more specific about what happened in this regard and what evidence is presented which corroborates this claim?



That's not actually the case. You'd have to look at what each individual has stated, and I don't have the time to go and do that right now, but a lot of what has been corroborated has been accounts that Tara shared about her original story of sexual harassment, and the mother's phone call has even less detail but would fit better in tone with a sexual harassment concern than rape concern.



I think you are using inflammatory language saying "sexual predator history" which is not appropriate here. Outside of this allegation, there have been other reports of inappropriate conduct which constitutes sexual harassment but not assault or rape.
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Don't buy anything @imported_tajmahal is selling. He trashed assault victim Blasey-Ford during the Kavanaugh hearings.
 
dank69

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sandorski said:
It wouldn't be a slam dunk though. A Complaint does not prove the Event. It would certainly be yet another piece of evidence that she isn't just makng up things as a plot hatched up with Putin, but that idea should, IMO, already be put to rest with all the various confirmations from nearly 30 years ago.
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If a contemporary claim is found I would guess Biden would withdraw within a few days.
 
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Vic said:
There's nothing in that video about Biden.
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Not to mention that if it were about Biden it in some ways undermines Reade’s story. The caller says the person didn’t want to come forward with their complaints out of respect for the senator. There may be many reasons sexual assault victims don’t come forward but respecting your assaulter too much usually isn’t the reason they give.
 
woolfe9998

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fskimospy said:
Not to mention that if it were about Biden it in some ways undermines Reade’s story. The caller says the person didn’t want to come forward with their complaints out of respect for the senator. There may be many reasons sexual assault victims don’t come forward but respecting your assaulter too much usually isn’t the reason they give.
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Yup, you would expect if she had been a real victim her mother would have said she wouldn't come forward out of fear of reprisal from a powerful Senator, not out of respect. Also, what happened to this "respect" in the last 27 years? She was praising Biden for helping assault victims just two years ago. So what happened?
 
sandorski

sandorski

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fskimospy said:
Not to mention that if it were about Biden it in some ways undermines Reade’s story. The caller says the person didn’t want to come forward with their complaints out of respect for the senator. There may be many reasons sexual assault victims don’t come forward but respecting your assaulter too much usually isn’t the reason they give.
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She respected him. He came on to her in an overly aggressive manner. She wasn't expecting or wanting that. She made a complaint, but still respected him. She got Fired shortly afterwards and her potential Career came to an end. She never stopped respecting him as a Politician, despite being damaged by the whole situation.
 
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