Thats what troubles me. If what Sultan said that moslem viewed Quran as the literal word from God (all of my moslem friend & acquantainces never dispute that fact also), it's very easy to use that phrase I quoted above to go against christian and jews. Afterall, you can't question the Quran. And thats just one of many phrases in Quran that promotes ill-will or violence toward others.
Thats what troubles me. If what Sultan said that moslem viewed Quran as the literal word from God (all of my moslem friend & acquantainces never dispute that fact also), it's very easy to use that phrase I quoted above to go against christian and jews. Afterall, you can't question the Quran. And thats just one of many phrases in Quran that promotes ill-will or violence toward others.
SO, you sick little fvck, is there ONE single 9year old in the history of times that is mature enough for a fvck?
If i am a bit blunt i apologize but this sick individual keeps dancing around the issue.
Oh, and trust me, if Muhammed would have went for my daughter for marriage when she was 6 and fvck her when she was 9 (recieved a few blowjobs in between perhaps?) Muhammed would have lived an awfully short life. like this
Muhammed: i want to marry this little *BLAM*
Klixxer: Fvcking perverts are everywhere, i need a full auto shotgun soon.
Homosexuality in Islam
Islamic Law prohibits all acts of homosexuality (gayness and lesbianism). There are several verses in the Qur'an that talk about this issue and about the People of Prophet Loot (pbuh) or Prophet Lot condemning this act
Also, there are several Hadiths regarding this topic and Muslim Scholars do mention this issue in Jurisprudence. As to the issue of how the homosexual person is judged in an Islamic State, the companions of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) differed among themselves about this issue, and the Muslim Jurists after them had their different opinions too because the companions themselves didn't have a unified method. For example, in the Hanafi school of thought, the Homosexual is punished through harsh beating, and if he/she repeats the act several times, he/she is killed. As to the Shafii school of thought, the homosexual is punished like the person who commits adultery (if he/she is married) or fornication (if not married). This means, that if the homosexual is married, he/she is stoned to death, while if he/she is single, then he/she is whipped 100 times. Hence, the Shafii compares the punishment of the homosexual act with adultery and fornication (the punishment is known in Islam for adultery and fornication) while the Hanafi differentiates between the two acts because in homosexual acts, the anus (a place of impurity) may also be involved while in adultery (and fornication), the penis/vagina (which are reproductive parts) are involved.
Of course, for punishment to be carried out, the crime must be proved in an Islamic court with hard evidence. I believe the evidence is 4 men of good character need to see the act in progress, right up to penetration in the case of fornication and adultery. I suppore the same evidence would be needed for this crime.
Islamic Law prohibits all acts of homosexuality (gayness and lesbianism). There are several verses in the Qur'an that talk about this issue and about the People of Prophet Loot (pbuh) or Prophet Lot condemning this act
Also, there are several Hadiths regarding this topic and Muslim Scholars do mention this issue in Jurisprudence. As to the issue of how the homosexual person is judged in an Islamic State, the companions of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) differed among themselves about this issue, and the Muslim Jurists after them had their different opinions too because the companions themselves didn't have a unified method. For example, in the Hanafi school of thought, the Homosexual is punished through harsh beating, and if he/she repeats the act several times, he/she is killed. As to the Shafii school of thought, the homosexual is punished like the person who commits adultery (if he/she is married) or fornication (if not married). This means, that if the homosexual is married, he/she is stoned to death, while if he/she is single, then he/she is whipped 100 times. Hence, the Shafii compares the punishment of the homosexual act with adultery and fornication (the punishment is known in Islam for adultery and fornication) while the Hanafi differentiates between the two acts because in homosexual acts, the anus (a place of impurity) may also be involved while in adultery (and fornication), the penis/vagina (which are reproductive parts) are involved.
Of course, for punishment to be carried out, the crime must be proved in an Islamic court with hard evidence. I believe the evidence is 4 men of good character need to see the act in progress, right up to penetration in the case of fornication and adultery. I suppore the same evidence would be needed for this crime.
you're right about being concerned but i guess it's a cultural rather than religious reason why a muslim person would choose not to befriend a jewish/christian person. i dont think that a muslim person who refuses to make a jewish/christian friend is afraid of retribution from god because they do so, they only do it because maybe their family said not to do it, or their friends would shun them.
every christian i know believes that the bible is the word of god, im not sure how they would respond though if i show them the verse from the bible above...it also probably depends on their cultural beliefs as well, and not a religious reason. if they grew up in a culture that oppressed women, it would be justification for them...if they grew up in a culture that did not, they would ignore it.
every christian i know believes that the bible is the word of god, im not sure how they would respond though if i show them the verse from the bible above...it also probably depends on their cultural beliefs as well, and not a religious reason. if they grew up in a culture that oppressed women, it would be justification for them...if they grew up in a culture that did not, they would ignore it.
Brother, you dont have a clue what talk about. I am not even sure what exactly you practice, what form of Islam you claim to be a member of. Do you even know what it means to be a Shia, the Imams of Shia, the political dispute and the religious differences between Shias and Sunnis?
I would highly recommend you visit the local mosque in your area.
Answer to your question, no, Muslims dont even worship Mohammad (S.A). They worship Allah (God). Thats it. No human is worshipped.
The Prophet (S.A) only had one daughter, Fatima (R.A). She is not worshipped. She married Hazrat Ali (R.A). They had two children Hassan (R.A) and Hussein (R.A). One of them died at Karbala, under very sad and horrific circumstances. Hazrat Hussein (R.A) died at a very young age.
All family members and companions of the Holy Prophet (S.A) are highly revered, not worshipped, by either Shias or Sunnis.
Why don't you answer my question? Sunnis worship members that killed members of Prophet Mohammad's family. I'm making this up, right?
NO I know what I am talking about. I refuse to step into a mosque that teaches me what they teach you.
Look at what I believe and look at what you believe.
Why don't you answer my ? instead of going around it?
Yes, Quran is seen as the literal word of God by Muslims. According to Islam, the Jewish people were the most blessed by God, but they chose to disobey God. Christians are just said to have gone astray according to Islam.
Ali's younger son Hussein agreed to put his claim to the caliphate on hold until Hazrat Mu'awiya's (5th Caliph) death. However, when Mu'awiya finally died in 680, his son Yazid usurped the caliphate. Hussein led an army against Yazid but, hopelessly outnumbered, he and his men were slaughtered at the Battle of Karbala (in modern day Iraq).
Apart from Hazrat Mu'awiya being the 5th Caliph and one of the Prophet's companion, he holds no other importance to Muslims, Shias or Sunnis. Neither does his son, Yazid, apart from being a Caliph
Married at 6 consumated at age 9, but girls are REALLY women when they are 9, having reached puberty and all.
Of course, according to some sick fvcks, marrying at the age of 6 or the age of 16 is the SAME THING. *sigh*
No, you're an ass. Your earlier post was most insulting, and I choose to ignore you. Have a good day.
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Sultan,
Why is your religion consistently the most backward, anti-progressive, resistant to ideas of change and overall a cultural disaster? Can you please tell me where are the great Islamic thinkers, philosophers, artist, painters, architects, pilots, scientists, architects, doctors, actors, writers of the past, say, oh, 500 years? And by the way, how many of them were women?
Where are disciplines like physics, cybernetics, astronautics, electronics, genetics, chemistry, biology? Where are the innovations, patents, inventions and breakthroughs that make everything possible?
Why haven't you contributed to the well-being and progress of mankind in any way, since 1300 onwards?
Do you have the guts to admit your religion hates the West, and all it stands for?
How much of the computer, telephone, wiring, electronic exchange protocols and overall technology you are using RIGHT AT THIS moment to preach to the rest of us - especially the very few women who dwelve on this testosterone-laden forum - was conceived, improved in any way, or executed by Muslims?
Why is your religion consistently the most backward, anti-progressive, resistant to ideas of change and overall a cultural disaster? Can you please tell me where are the great Islamic thinkers, philosophers, artist, painters, architects, pilots, scientists, architects, doctors, actors, writers of the past, say, oh, 500 years? And by the way, how many of them were women?
Where are disciplines like physics, cybernetics, astronautics, electronics, genetics, chemistry, biology? Where are the innovations, patents, inventions and breakthroughs that make everything possible?
Why haven't you contributed to the well-being and progress of mankind in any way, since 1300 onwards?
Do you have the guts to admit your religion hates the West, and all it stands for?
How much of the computer, telephone, wiring, electronic exchange protocols and overall technology you are using RIGHT AT THIS moment to preach to the rest of us - especially the very few women who dwelve on this testosterone-laden forum - was conceived, improved in any way, or executed by Muslims?
Homosexuality is forbidden. (The punishment is whiplashes, etc. Today's society 4 countries have laws that have fines and jail if they continue to break the law. (below) )
Adultery is forbidden. (Death in 4 countries: Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Pakistan). You need 4 witnesses or you cannot prove it.
Pedophila the punishment is jail/death.
Murder of a non-believer is murder. Allah will deal with those that do not believe when they die.
Ah, then i will reply with what you have said before.
Homosexual sex = death (tortured to death by stoning)
Fornication = death (tortured to death by stoning or whipping)
Adultery = death (torutured to death by stoning or whipping)
Pedophelia = no punishment
Necrophelia = no punishment
Murder of a non believer = praise
These are the required punishments, according to you and the Koran?
I am not interested in the local countries laws, rather in the laws that people like Sultan seek to enforce.
You see, i am not against muslims in general or muslim nations, only against fundamentalist such as Sultan and Hatim, same goes for other fundamentalists, the religion is unimportant, the bigotry and the hypocracy is pretty much the same, which would be my point.
Pedophelia would include sex with a 9 year old?
Hatim stated that Atheists are to be stoned to death, is this not Islamic law?
If a man kills his wife and claims she was an adulteress would he be punished in SA, Sudan, Pakistan? Is it likely?
Good link. That lady has background in both world being a christian turned moslem.
I've seen in most madrasah (sp?) that students are taught Quran in arabic and to understand them. Isn't it better to have a official translated version issued to remove any ambiquity that will just do more harm than good?
The poiint is that the text should not be misunderstood or misinterpreted, howerver, every interpretation is as wrong as every other interpretation, the exact meaning exists only in the head of the person who dictated the words in the beginning.
Which is why i can laugh at it all, men trying to understand the words of God.
We all have the ability to know right from wrong, THAT should be what to follow, not the rules of an ancient textbook.
It is like following the instructions for win1.0 when using winxp, it just won't work because the information is outdated and the standards have changed.
Learn some history. During your Dark Ages, Islam prospered in all areas of math, science and philosophy. Where do you think the works of Aristotle and Plato were rediscovered? In the Islamic Lands where they continually being scribed and read and debated for hundreds of years. Algebra is an arabic word for mathematics. Much of the early anatomy came from works of muslims. Advances in astromony were also in the forefront.
Islam's current cultural stagnation is more of a modern phenomenom rather than a long systematic problem. Islam was poised to conquer Europe several times. This may be the root of anti-Islamic sentiments.
Don't worry Aimster, i know that Sultans interpretation of Islam is only his interpretation, while i might despise him for being him i do not despise Islam.
Just like you may despise Trente for his radical views i may despise Sultan for his radical views or CycloWizard for his radical views.
That doesn't mean that i believe that that is what Islam or Christianity is about and i hope you realize that the zionist agenda isn't really what Judaism is about either.
We can live and let live which would be the message from God or we can be intolerant to pretty much everyone in the world like the religious fanatics claim we should be.
I suggest we disregard their religious motivations and see them for what they are, idiots, no matter what religion they adhere to.
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