The Islamic Thread 2

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Reading the answers to some of these questions, it seems that a strict interpretation of Islam has parts of barbarity, discrimination, and so on. From the harsh, cruel, and barbaric punishments, discrimination in terms of marriage in regards to women and men and non-'people of the book', refusal to allow someone to abandon Islam as their religion and if so it leads to death, bigotry against homosexuals, and so on leads to some very disturbing ideas and thoughts if taken into today's time.

I suspect that the same is also true of Christianity and Judaism - can someone confirm?

Do you even need a confirmation? You already made up your own questions and answered em for yourself .

I'm actually not sure how Christianity and Judaism would compare to Islam in these circumstances. That's why I'm asking.

Care to elaborate on how the answers show those things you said?.....Actually break it down pleas instead of making claims without justifying it.

Thanks.

1. Harsh and barbaric punishments - I find the death penalty to be a barbaric act. In addition, the other punishments such as bashing a person's head in with a rock is very barbaric in my view.

2. Discrimination in Marriage - There are severe differences in who men and women of the Islamic faith can marry. In addition, there is overall discrimination of non 'people of the book' in terms of marriage prospects. This is a very offensive discriminatory tactic, IMO.

3. Apostasy is punishable by death. This also shows that it is inherently a weak system as it apparetnly cannot stand up to criticism.

4. Homosexual acts is wrong and punishable by death if caught.

These are some of the primary reasons why I have come to my conclusion. How do you disagree with my assesment in regards to these four points?

One important thing, that is all relative, since it is your opinion it can easily be dismissed .

Any law created by some invisible being should not be forced upon visible humans

People take the risk of believing in faith. Religion is all about taking a risk, about having faith.

your comments are not appropriate

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Reading the answers to some of these questions, it seems that a strict interpretation of Islam has parts of barbarity, discrimination, and so on. From the harsh, cruel, and barbaric punishments, discrimination in terms of marriage in regards to women and men and non-'people of the book', refusal to allow someone to abandon Islam as their religion and if so it leads to death, bigotry against homosexuals, and so on leads to some very disturbing ideas and thoughts if taken into today's time.

I suspect that the same is also true of Christianity and Judaism - can someone confirm?

Do you even need a confirmation? You already made up your own questions and answered em for yourself .

I'm actually not sure how Christianity and Judaism would compare to Islam in these circumstances. That's why I'm asking.

Care to elaborate on how the answers show those things you said?.....Actually break it down pleas instead of making claims without justifying it.

Thanks.

1. Harsh and barbaric punishments - I find the death penalty to be a barbaric act. In addition, the other punishments such as bashing a person's head in with a rock is very barbaric in my view.

2. Discrimination in Marriage - There are severe differences in who men and women of the Islamic faith can marry. In addition, there is overall discrimination of non 'people of the book' in terms of marriage prospects. This is a very offensive discriminatory tactic, IMO.

3. Apostasy is punishable by death. This also shows that it is inherently a weak system as it apparetnly cannot stand up to criticism.

4. Homosexual acts is wrong and punishable by death if caught.

These are some of the primary reasons why I have come to my conclusion. How do you disagree with my assesment in regards to these four points?

One important thing, that is all relative, since it is your opinion it can easily be dismissed .

Saying 'slavery is wrong' is relative, too...but only a sick person would disagree.

However, some of this cannot be dismissed, such as the discrimination against non-people of the book and homosexuals. These are not really 'relative'.

In addition, if all you are going to say is 'it is relative so i don't have to listen!!! nah nah nah', then that doesn't really contribute much when I listed all of the details out. How do you disagree with my statements?

For some reason I think that your argument is stemming from the 'if you leave then you die!!!' from the apostasy angle. It essentially guarantees sheep.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Any law created by some invisible being should not be forced upon visible humans

Yup...especially since it sometimes ends up in laws such as 'if you don't believe in the big sky daddy that lives in the clouds then you die!!1!'

But think about the people in power - this is the ultimate brainwashing tool.

 

[mOeeOm]

However, some of this cannot be dismissed, such as the discrimination against non-people of the book and homosexuals. These are not really 'relative'.

I'm confused, if it is straightforward and not relative....why is everyone arguing with eachother about subjects concerning homosexuality? Why is it even a topic of discussion if it is not relative.

If all you are going to do is post opinionsI can just reply with mine exactly like yours, but counter it....do you prefer that?

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Reading the answers to some of these questions, it seems that a strict interpretation of Islam has parts of barbarity, discrimination, and so on. From the harsh, cruel, and barbaric punishments, discrimination in terms of marriage in regards to women and men and non-'people of the book', refusal to allow someone to abandon Islam as their religion and if so it leads to death, bigotry against homosexuals, and so on leads to some very disturbing ideas and thoughts if taken into today's time.

I suspect that the same is also true of Christianity and Judaism - can someone confirm?

Do you even need a confirmation? You already made up your own questions and answered em for yourself .

I'm actually not sure how Christianity and Judaism would compare to Islam in these circumstances. That's why I'm asking.

Care to elaborate on how the answers show those things you said?.....Actually break it down pleas instead of making claims without justifying it.

Thanks.

1. Harsh and barbaric punishments - I find the death penalty to be a barbaric act. In addition, the other punishments such as bashing a person's head in with a rock is very barbaric in my view.

2. Discrimination in Marriage - There are severe differences in who men and women of the Islamic faith can marry. In addition, there is overall discrimination of non 'people of the book' in terms of marriage prospects. This is a very offensive discriminatory tactic, IMO.

3. Apostasy is punishable by death. This also shows that it is inherently a weak system as it apparetnly cannot stand up to criticism.

4. Homosexual acts is wrong and punishable by death if caught.

These are some of the primary reasons why I have come to my conclusion. How do you disagree with my assesment in regards to these four points?

One important thing, that is all relative, since it is your opinion it can easily be dismissed .

Any law created by some invisible being should not be forced upon visible humans

People take the risk of believing in faith. Religion is all about taking a risk, about having faith.

your comments are not appropriate

:thumbsup:

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

However, some of this cannot be dismissed, such as the discrimination against non-people of the book and homosexuals. These are not really 'relative'.

I'm confused, if it is straightforward and not relative....why is everyone arguing with eachother about subjects concerning homosexuality? Why is it even a topic of discussion if it is not relative.

If all you are going to do is post opinionsI can just reply with mine exactly like yours, but counter it....do you prefer that?

I notice that you especially avoided the efirst part of my statement. How convenient. What do you feel about the discrimination against non people of the book?

Issues of Homosexuality itself is debatable. However, the discrimination of homosexuals engaged in homosexuality in Islam is not in as far as acknowleding the discrimination against them. But you could argue that it's OK to discriminate against homosexuals and how that is relative.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

However, some of this cannot be dismissed, such as the discrimination against non-people of the book and homosexuals. These are not really 'relative'.

I'm confused, if it is straightforward and not relative....why is everyone arguing with eachother about subjects concerning homosexuality? Why is it even a topic of discussion if it is not relative.

If all you are going to do is post opinionsI can just reply with mine exactly like yours, but counter it....do you prefer that?

I notice that you especially avoided the efirst part of my statement. How convenient. What do you feel about the discrimination against non people of the book?

Issues of Homosexuality itself is debatable. However, the discrimination of homosexuals engaged in homosexuality in Islam is not in as far as acknowleding the discrimination against them. But you could argue that it's OK to discriminate against homosexuals and how that is relative.

How come at every issue regarding Islam, it is just about 10 odd people, including you who throw preposterous claims about discrimination, barbarity, etc. This thread has been viewed some 400 times, and no one other than the 10 people have made ridiculous arguments such as yours.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

However, some of this cannot be dismissed, such as the discrimination against non-people of the book and homosexuals. These are not really 'relative'.

I'm confused, if it is straightforward and not relative....why is everyone arguing with eachother about subjects concerning homosexuality? Why is it even a topic of discussion if it is not relative.

If all you are going to do is post opinionsI can just reply with mine exactly like yours, but counter it....do you prefer that?

I notice that you especially avoided the efirst part of my statement. How convenient. What do you feel about the discrimination against non people of the book?

Issues of Homosexuality itself is debatable. However, the discrimination of homosexuals engaged in homosexuality in Islam is not in as far as acknowleding the discrimination against them. But you could argue that it's OK to discriminate against homosexuals and how that is relative.

How come at every issue regarding Islam, it is just about 10 odd people, including you who throw preposterous claims about discrimination, barbarity, etc. This thread has been viewed some 400 times, and no one other than the 10 people have made ridiculous arguments such as yours.

Because certain issues of Islam are barbaric and discriminatory, but people try to support these types of activities. I'm curious to see how far people will go to feed their bigotry and bloodthirst.

In addition, I don't see what is so 'preposterous' about factual claims of religious doctrine discriminating against non-people of the book, homosexuals, and bashing someone's head in with a rock.

I hope someone can help me out in regards to Christianity, Judaism, or any other religion out there and to the extremes that these religions support such activity.

I think in the end I don't see how people can use religion to justify their hate and violence. I personally find it shocking that people will try to use it as a shield and attempt to avoid any criticism or discussion of their true behavior.

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

However, some of this cannot be dismissed, such as the discrimination against non-people of the book and homosexuals. These are not really 'relative'.

I'm confused, if it is straightforward and not relative....why is everyone arguing with eachother about subjects concerning homosexuality? Why is it even a topic of discussion if it is not relative.

If all you are going to do is post opinionsI can just reply with mine exactly like yours, but counter it....do you prefer that?

I notice that you especially avoided the efirst part of my statement. How convenient. What do you feel about the discrimination against non people of the book?

Issues of Homosexuality itself is debatable. However, the discrimination of homosexuals engaged in homosexuality in Islam is not in as far as acknowleding the discrimination against them. But you could argue that it's OK to discriminate against homosexuals and how that is relative.

How come at every issue regarding Islam, it is just about 10 odd people, including you who throw preposterous claims about discrimination, barbarity, etc. This thread has been viewed some 400 times, and no one other than the 10 people have made ridiculous arguments such as yours.

Because certain issues of Islam are barbaric and discriminatory, but people try to support these types of activities. I'm curious to see how far people will go to feed their bigotry and bloodthirst.

In addition, I don't see what is so 'preposterous' about factual claims of religious doctrine discriminating against non-people of the book, homosexuals, and bashing someone's head in with a rock.

I hope someone can help me out in regards to Christianity, Judaism, or any other religion out there and to the extremes that these religions support such activity.

I think in the end I don't see how people can use religion to justify their hate and violence. I personally find it shocking that people will try to use it as a shield and attempt to avoid any criticism or discussion of their true behavior.

Nope, no issues of Islam are barbaric and discriminatory, that is why people support Islam. They don't feed bigotry and bloodthirst.

In addition, it is prepostrous to claim your personal opinion as factual claims of religion doctrine discriminating against non-people of the book, homosexuals, and bashing someone's head in with a rock.

Oh don't worry, the Christians and Jews were exactly like us, but the people were too soft and changed the Bible and Torah so it is no longer the word of God, so it is irrelevant what they do.

See what I did there .


''I think in the end I don't see how people can use religion to justify their hate and violence. I personally find it shocking that people will try to use it as a shield and attempt to avoid any criticism or discussion of their true behavior.''

^^ sounds like you already made up your questions and answered themselves, so no need to go here.

 

[Albatross]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

However, some of this cannot be dismissed, such as the discrimination against non-people of the book and homosexuals. These are not really 'relative'.

I'm confused, if it is straightforward and not relative....why is everyone arguing with eachother about subjects concerning homosexuality? Why is it even a topic of discussion if it is not relative.

If all you are going to do is post opinionsI can just reply with mine exactly like yours, but counter it....do you prefer that?

I notice that you especially avoided the efirst part of my statement. How convenient. What do you feel about the discrimination against non people of the book?

Issues of Homosexuality itself is debatable. However, the discrimination of homosexuals engaged in homosexuality in Islam is not in as far as acknowleding the discrimination against them. But you could argue that it's OK to discriminate against homosexuals and how that is relative.

How come at every issue regarding Islam, it is just about 10 odd people, including you who throw preposterous claims about discrimination, barbarity, etc. This thread has been viewed some 400 times, and no one other than the 10 people have made ridiculous arguments such as yours.

Because certain issues of Islam are barbaric and discriminatory, but people try to support these types of activities. I'm curious to see how far people will go to feed their bigotry and bloodthirst.

In addition, I don't see what is so 'preposterous' about factual claims of religious doctrine discriminating against non-people of the book, homosexuals, and bashing someone's head in with a rock.

I hope someone can help me out in regards to Christianity, Judaism, or any other religion out there and to the extremes that these religions support such activity.

I think in the end I don't see how people can use religion to justify their hate and violence. I personally find it shocking that people will try to use it as a shield and attempt to avoid any criticism or discussion of their true behavior.

Nope, no issues of Islam are barbaric and discriminatory, that is why people support Islam. They don't feed bigotry and bloodthirst.

In addition, it is prepostrous to claim your personal opinion as factual claims of religion doctrine discriminating against non-people of the book, homosexuals, and bashing someone's head in with a rock.

Oh don't worry, the Christians and Jews were exactly like us, but the people were too soft and changed the Bible and Torah so it is no longer the word of God, so it is irrelevant what they do.
See what I did there .


''I think in the end I don't see how people can use religion to justify their hate and violence. I personally find it shocking that people will try to use it as a shield and attempt to avoid any criticism or discussion of their true behavior.''

^^ sounds like you already made up your questions and answered themselves, so no need to go here.

you know that type of thinking will lead to war some day.

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: albatross

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

However, some of this cannot be dismissed, such as the discrimination against non-people of the book and homosexuals. These are not really 'relative'.

I'm confused, if it is straightforward and not relative....why is everyone arguing with eachother about subjects concerning homosexuality? Why is it even a topic of discussion if it is not relative.

If all you are going to do is post opinionsI can just reply with mine exactly like yours, but counter it....do you prefer that?

I notice that you especially avoided the efirst part of my statement. How convenient. What do you feel about the discrimination against non people of the book?

Issues of Homosexuality itself is debatable. However, the discrimination of homosexuals engaged in homosexuality in Islam is not in as far as acknowleding the discrimination against them. But you could argue that it's OK to discriminate against homosexuals and how that is relative.

How come at every issue regarding Islam, it is just about 10 odd people, including you who throw preposterous claims about discrimination, barbarity, etc. This thread has been viewed some 400 times, and no one other than the 10 people have made ridiculous arguments such as yours.

Because certain issues of Islam are barbaric and discriminatory, but people try to support these types of activities. I'm curious to see how far people will go to feed their bigotry and bloodthirst.

In addition, I don't see what is so 'preposterous' about factual claims of religious doctrine discriminating against non-people of the book, homosexuals, and bashing someone's head in with a rock.

I hope someone can help me out in regards to Christianity, Judaism, or any other religion out there and to the extremes that these religions support such activity.

I think in the end I don't see how people can use religion to justify their hate and violence. I personally find it shocking that people will try to use it as a shield and attempt to avoid any criticism or discussion of their true behavior.

Nope, no issues of Islam are barbaric and discriminatory, that is why people support Islam. They don't feed bigotry and bloodthirst.

In addition, it is prepostrous to claim your personal opinion as factual claims of religion doctrine discriminating against non-people of the book, homosexuals, and bashing someone's head in with a rock.

Oh don't worry, the Christians and Jews were exactly like us, but the people were too soft and changed the Bible and Torah so it is no longer the word of God, so it is irrelevant what they do.
See what I did there .


''I think in the end I don't see how people can use religion to justify their hate and violence. I personally find it shocking that people will try to use it as a shield and attempt to avoid any criticism or discussion of their true behavior.''

^^ sounds like you already made up your questions and answered themselves, so no need to go here.

you know that type of thinking will lead to war some day.

Its just a fact that they changed their books, while the Quran has not been touched...isn't safe to say they are not following the word of God? or?

 

[Albatross]

in Europe there was a precedent:the 30 years war based on religion.
Catolics were convinced that they were following the true religion,protestants made no secret from their following of the divine plans.

that ended with the Westfalian peace which put down the foundation of modernity,which is ,in its essence, a postponement of the dispute on what is the "Truth".

so when some other group decides that their way is better is a very dangerous situation.

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: albatross
in Europe there was a precedent:the 30 years war based on religion.
Catolics were convinced that they were following the true religion,protestants made no secret from their following of the divine plans.

that ended with the Westfalian peace which put down the foundation of modernity,which is ,in its essence, a postponement of the dispute on what is the "Truth".

so when some other group decides that their way is better is a very dangerous situation.

Agreed, I was just stating a fact they changed their books, while Muslims didn't...is that a reason to kill eachother? nope.

 

[Albatross]

sure,but think about it:if muslims folow the true Word why should they tolerate the laws, customs and society of a bunch of people in error?
Nobody wants conflict,war arises almost always on the actions of a few.
So when one thinks that they are following the "TRUE" way ,there is a very fine line between peaceful coexistence and violence.

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: albatross
sure,but think about it:if muslims folow the true Word why should they tolerate the laws, customs and society of a bunch of people in error?
Nobody wants conflict,war arises almost always on the actions of a few.
So when one thinks that they are following the "TRUE" way ,there is a very fine line between peaceful coexistence and violence.

Well, the whole Muslim thing only started after Israel was made out of Palestine. I'd say IF Muslims are doing terrorists attacks then it is not mostly about the religion, but mostly about hating America and Israel, most people have it confused, if it was about the religion then terrorist attacks by Muslims would have rampant all throughout history.

Honestly everything would be great if Britain never gave a part of Palestine to Israel....they were just asking for trouble with that move.

 

[Sixtyfour]

Why this ?


And this ?

 

[Sixtyfour]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Don't worry IF they are indeed killing innocent civlians, they will go to hell,

ROFLMAO !

"Don't worry".. Ok ! *CABOOM !*

They do think that people killed are not innocent, so they believe they go to heaven as martyrs.
Because of that belief, the suicide bombing and other terrorist attacks continue.

Islam is a religion of war, and most muslims support terrorism in one way or the other.
It's like army, there is people doing different jobs, and not all of them are "pulling the trigger".

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: Sixtyfour

Why this ?


And this ?

As a matter of point, don't post blogs for evidence. It is simply unprofessional and extremely biased.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Nope, no issues of Islam are barbaric and discriminatory, that is why people support Islam. They don't feed bigotry and bloodthirst.

Please explain how there is no discrimination against non-people of the book and homosexuals.

In addition, it is prepostrous to claim your personal opinion as factual claims of religion doctrine discriminating against non-people of the book, homosexuals, and bashing someone's head in with a rock.

Oh don't worry, the Christians and Jews were exactly like us, but the people were too soft and changed the Bible and Torah so it is no longer the word of God, so it is irrelevant what they do.

See what I did there .

Yes, you have basically shown the brainwashing effect of the apostasy 'laws', IMO. You have effectively said 'the sky is not blue' or 'there is no planet mars'. You cannot dispute the very discrimination that exists. However, you could try to say that the discrimination is justified.

''I think in the end I don't see how people can use religion to justify their hate and violence. I personally find it shocking that people will try to use it as a shield and attempt to avoid any criticism or discussion of their true behavior.''

^^ sounds like you already made up your questions and answered themselves, so no need to go here.

But I'm trying to find out more about it. You see, I'm not brainwashed like some other people. I am allowed to think for myself.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Sixtyfour

Why this ?


And this ?

Those are meaningless and useless.

 

[Sixtyfour]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: Sixtyfour

Why this ?


And this ?

As a matter of point, don't post blogs for evidence. It is simply unprofessional and extremely biased.

How is that biased, or why does it matter if it is ?

There are links to facts in those blogs, so your point is vague.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Sixtyfour

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: Sixtyfour

Why this ?


And this ?

As a matter of point, don't post blogs for evidence. It is simply unprofessional and extremely biased.

How is that biased, or why does it matter if it is ?

There are links to facts in those blogs, so your point is vague.

What exactly are you trying to say with those two links?

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: albatross
sure,but think about it:if muslims folow the true Word why should they tolerate the laws, customs and society of a bunch of people in error?
Nobody wants conflict,war arises almost always on the actions of a few.
So when one thinks that they are following the "TRUE" way ,there is a very fine line between peaceful coexistence and violence.

Well, the whole Muslim thing only started after Israel was made out of Palestine. I'd say IF Muslims are doing terrorists attacks then it is not mostly about the religion, but mostly about hating America and Israel, most people have it confused, if it was about the religion then terrorist attacks by Muslims would have rampant all throughout history.

Honestly everything would be great if Britain never gave a part of Palestine to Israel....they were just asking for trouble with that move.

So, Muslims cannot get along with other religions... is that what you are saying? Mulims had no compassion for Holocaust Victims?


Is there something in both of your faiths Jewish and Muslim that forbids "getting along" with each other?

 

[dahunan]

another thing... If I insult Mohammed or Allah.. WHY THE FVCK DO YOU PEOPLE GET VIOLENT ABOUT IT AND CAST FATWAS and shi1t...

Why do you people kill authors of books or movies that you don't agree with

 

[Sixtyfour]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Sixtyfour

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: Sixtyfour

Why this ?


And this ?

As a matter of point, don't post blogs for evidence. It is simply unprofessional and extremely biased.

How is that biased, or why does it matter if it is ?

There are links to facts in those blogs, so your point is vague.

What exactly are you trying to say with those two links?

I want answer why muslims are like that.

Can you explain ?