The Islamic Thread 2

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: azazyel

Originally posted by: raildogg
Hey Sultan, you need to wake up and come to reality. By far, the followers of Islam are the most intolerant people in the world, its either convert or die or be tortured. Their way or no way at all.

Why can't gays live a happy life in Saudi Arabia? Why is it that gays live in constant fear that if they are caught they may face execution? Now you are giving pathetic excuses over these radical muslims trying to change laws in Europe so they could satisfy their radical muslim teachings.

So anyone who criticizes Islam is a bigot now?

Imagine if in a majority Christian or any other majority non-muslim country, gays and others were routinely arrested, tortured and executed, what would the outcry be. But since its the followers of Islam doing it, lets ignore it and move on.

You're kidding right? In the US, gays have been persecuted just as much. We have gay rehabilitation camps for god's sake. Gay bashing has gone on the decline but mostly because of local citizens taking action. If you go to Capital Hill in Seattle, you will notice guys in a quasi uniform patrolling the streets. I can't remember what they're called but their purpose was/is to prevent gay bashing. Do gays have the same rights in America as other citizens, nope not all of them.

Not being able to have your bible? How about having excerpts from someone else bible pasted all over a court of law? You guys are really friggen unbelievable. Until one of you goes to a mosque and speaks with someone instead of just spouting rhetoric you should just STFU and GBTW.

Oh look another radical muslim apologist. We are talking about state crackdown on gays. Being gay is a crime in certain muslim countries. Don't even try to compare that to what goes on here in America or any other western country. Gays have all the rights as other citizens here, maybe the with the excetion to marry, and even that is in the process of being changed.

But I guess it is okay for muslims and muslim countries to be barbaric and follow laws that date back to the 7th century.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: azazyel
TLC, you should check out the CAIR website. You will probably be able to find the answer to your questions there.

http://www.cair-net.org/

Cair is a biased website, not something to trust.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: azazyel
TLC, you should check out the CAIR website. You will probably be able to find the answer to your questions there.

http://www.cair-net.org/

My questions have already been answered by Sultan's response.

And CAIR coddles the Islamic fundies a bit too much for me to have any trust in them.

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: azazyel
TLC, you should check out the CAIR website. You will probably be able to find the answer to your questions there.

http://www.cair-net.org/

Cair is a biased website, not something to trust.

How is it biased? By trying to show that Islam isn't something to be hated? Is it part of their grand plot? And I do think it's funny how you can preach against a religion without personally knowing any practitioners. I have lived within a Muslim community for the past 8 years and I have never SEEN anything that would give any foundation to what you say about their religion.


http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/attack/39088_mosque15.shtml

They shown more compassion and sense of community than I would expect from almost anyone. After someone tried to BURN down their mosque they had an open house letting *gasp* nonmuslims attend and even eat with them. And you can call me an appoligist if you want but the fact is that you are labeling my neighbors as hateful and bigoted and I don't stand for that.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Sultan
Islam is 1.5 billion strong; that is 1/5th of the world's population. And it is fast growing. 10 people on this forum who continue to spout the same garbage about barbarity, discrimination, blah blah blah are not going to change/influence the trend of Islam's growth.

The discriminatory aspects of Islam are essentially indisputable.

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: azazyel
TLC, you should check out the CAIR website. You will probably be able to find the answer to your questions there.

http://www.cair-net.org/

My questions have already been answered by Sultan's response.

And CAIR coddles the Islamic fundies a bit too much for me to have any trust in them.

How by telling people that what the fundies are going goes against Islam?

CAIR Backs Fatwa Against Terror
View Fatwa and List of Endorsing American Muslim Organizations

http://www.cair-net.org/includes/Anti-TerrorList.pdf

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Oh get over yourself.

The article is an example of a growing problem in the EU and elsewhere. Muslims expect other cultures to accomodate them and accept their ways, but sure don't seem to feel obligated to respond in kind. Christians can't even be caught with a bible in SA for fear it will be confiscated. Could you imagine the uproar from Muslims if we here in the US banned anyone from possessing a quran or prohibited Muslims from meeting and practicing their religion?

Good thing that the US isn't Saudi Arabia. I don't think that Muslims in the US really demand for 'other cultures to accomodate them and accept their ways' in mass in the way you are associating with it. It's possible that it is like that in Europe, where the Muslim population is discriminated, poor, and hated.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Hey Sultan, you need to wake up and come to reality. By far, the followers of Islam are the most intolerant people in the world, its either convert or die or be tortured. Their way or no way at all.

Why can't gays live a happy life in Saudi Arabia? Why is it that gays live in constant fear that if they are caught they may face execution? Now you are giving pathetic excuses over these radical muslims trying to change laws in Europe so they could satisfy their radical muslim teachings.

I think the problem is that some people are trying to place the actions of some radicals (like Sultan and these other people in Europe) and blame the religion as a whole on these nutjobs. It's not really right.

So anyone who criticizes Islam is a bigot now?

That's what he likes to cry about, but the fact is that he wants to discriminate against non-Muslims, homosexuals, and non people of the book. He's a bigot and has basically admitted to the reasons of his bigotry.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: azazyel
You're kidding right? In the US, gays have been persecuted just as much. We have gay rehabilitation camps for god's sake. Gay bashing has gone on the decline but mostly because of local citizens taking action. If you go to Capital Hill in Seattle, you will notice guys in a quasi uniform patrolling the streets. I can't remember what they're called but their purpose was/is to prevent gay bashing. Do gays have the same rights in America as other citizens, nope not all of them.

Not being able to have your bible? How about having excerpts from someone else bible pasted all over a court of law? You guys are really friggen unbelievable. Until one of you goes to a mosque and speaks with someone instead of just spouting rhetoric you should just STFU and GBTW.

There's a pretty extreme difference between the US and some of the primarily Islamic countries in regards to homosexual rights and religion. Your comparison is extremely foolish.

The US is not anywhere near the front of homosexual rights, but it's much better than most primarily Islamic countries.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Oh get over yourself.

The article is an example of a growing problem in the EU and elsewhere. Muslims expect other cultures to accomodate them and accept their ways, but sure don't seem to feel obligated to respond in kind. Christians can't even be caught with a bible in SA for fear it will be confiscated. Could you imagine the uproar from Muslims if we here in the US banned anyone from possessing a quran or prohibited Muslims from meeting and practicing their religion?

Good thing that the US isn't Saudi Arabia. I don't think that Muslims in the US really demand for 'other cultures to accomodate them and accept their ways' in mass in the way you are associating with it. It's possible that it is like that in Europe, where the Muslim population is discriminated, poor, and hated.

We just went through the ordeal here in Florida with the Muslim woman and her driver's license photo where she demanded to wear her hijab in the photo. Thankfully, the US has more cojones than the UK and denied her attempt at accomodation.

Of course, if we were Saudi Arabia we wouldn't have that problem because she wouldn't have the right to drive a car in the first place.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: raildogg
But I guess it is okay for muslims and muslim countries to be barbaric and follow laws that date back to the 7th century.

Change that to any religion as well!

Oh, but it's OK to be a bigot and bloodthirsty in today's time if a sky daddy in the cloud calls for it. :roll:

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Oh get over yourself.

The article is an example of a growing problem in the EU and elsewhere. Muslims expect other cultures to accomodate them and accept their ways, but sure don't seem to feel obligated to respond in kind. Christians can't even be caught with a bible in SA for fear it will be confiscated. Could you imagine the uproar from Muslims if we here in the US banned anyone from possessing a quran or prohibited Muslims from meeting and practicing their religion?

Good thing that the US isn't Saudi Arabia. I don't think that Muslims in the US really demand for 'other cultures to accomodate them and accept their ways' in mass in the way you are associating with it. It's possible that it is like that in Europe, where the Muslim population is discriminated, poor, and hated.

We just went through the ordeal here in Florida with the Muslim woman and her driver's license photo where she demanded to wear her hijab in the photo. Thankfully, the US has more cojones than the UK and denied her attempt at accomodation.

Of course, if we were Saudi Arabia we wouldn't have that problem because she wouldn't have the right to drive a car in the first place.

Well I think that there will always be nutjobs from every group (I also thought that this particular woman was also a Muslim convert?..also I think it was a burka, not hijab).

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: azazyel

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: azazyel
TLC, you should check out the CAIR website. You will probably be able to find the answer to your questions there.

http://www.cair-net.org/

My questions have already been answered by Sultan's response.

And CAIR coddles the Islamic fundies a bit too much for me to have any trust in them.

How by telling people that what the fundies are going goes against Islam?

CAIR Backs Fatwa Against Terror
View Fatwa and List of Endorsing American Muslim Organizations

http://www.cair-net.org/includes/Anti-TerrorList.pdf

Maybe it's because they talk out of both sides of their mouth?

Ahmad, the chairman, claims suicide bombers kill themselves for Islam so are not terrorists.

Ibrahim Hooper has said, "I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future."

Two of its employess were recently arrested on terrorism charges.

They give spoken support to Hamas.

They promote the furtherance of the Islamic hegemony around the world. They are a fundy group in moderate clothing and I am not fooled.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Oh get over yourself.

The article is an example of a growing problem in the EU and elsewhere. Muslims expect other cultures to accomodate them and accept their ways, but sure don't seem to feel obligated to respond in kind. Christians can't even be caught with a bible in SA for fear it will be confiscated. Could you imagine the uproar from Muslims if we here in the US banned anyone from possessing a quran or prohibited Muslims from meeting and practicing their religion?

Good thing that the US isn't Saudi Arabia. I don't think that Muslims in the US really demand for 'other cultures to accomodate them and accept their ways' in mass in the way you are associating with it. It's possible that it is like that in Europe, where the Muslim population is discriminated, poor, and hated.

We just went through the ordeal here in Florida with the Muslim woman and her driver's license photo where she demanded to wear her hijab in the photo. Thankfully, the US has more cojones than the UK and denied her attempt at accomodation.

Of course, if we were Saudi Arabia we wouldn't have that problem because she wouldn't have the right to drive a car in the first place.

Well I think that there will always be nutjobs from every group (I also thought that this particular woman was also a Muslim convert?..also I think it was a burka, not hijab).

AFAIK, the hijab is the covering of modesty in Islam, basically the veil. A burka is the cloak they wear.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Oh get over yourself.

The article is an example of a growing problem in the EU and elsewhere. Muslims expect other cultures to accomodate them and accept their ways, but sure don't seem to feel obligated to respond in kind. Christians can't even be caught with a bible in SA for fear it will be confiscated. Could you imagine the uproar from Muslims if we here in the US banned anyone from possessing a quran or prohibited Muslims from meeting and practicing their religion?

Good thing that the US isn't Saudi Arabia. I don't think that Muslims in the US really demand for 'other cultures to accomodate them and accept their ways' in mass in the way you are associating with it. It's possible that it is like that in Europe, where the Muslim population is discriminated, poor, and hated.

We just went through the ordeal here in Florida with the Muslim woman and her driver's license photo where she demanded to wear her hijab in the photo. Thankfully, the US has more cojones than the UK and denied her attempt at accomodation.

Of course, if we were Saudi Arabia we wouldn't have that problem because she wouldn't have the right to drive a car in the first place.

Well I think that there will always be nutjobs from every group (I also thought that this particular woman was also a Muslim convert?..also I think it was a burka, not hijab).

AFAIK, the hijab is the covering of modesty in Islam, basically the veil. A burka is the cloak they wear.

Yes, I thought that the FL woman wanted to wear a burka?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Oh get over yourself.

The article is an example of a growing problem in the EU and elsewhere. Muslims expect other cultures to accomodate them and accept their ways, but sure don't seem to feel obligated to respond in kind. Christians can't even be caught with a bible in SA for fear it will be confiscated. Could you imagine the uproar from Muslims if we here in the US banned anyone from possessing a quran or prohibited Muslims from meeting and practicing their religion?

Good thing that the US isn't Saudi Arabia. I don't think that Muslims in the US really demand for 'other cultures to accomodate them and accept their ways' in mass in the way you are associating with it. It's possible that it is like that in Europe, where the Muslim population is discriminated, poor, and hated.

We just went through the ordeal here in Florida with the Muslim woman and her driver's license photo where she demanded to wear her hijab in the photo. Thankfully, the US has more cojones than the UK and denied her attempt at accomodation.

Of course, if we were Saudi Arabia we wouldn't have that problem because she wouldn't have the right to drive a car in the first place.

Well I think that there will always be nutjobs from every group (I also thought that this particular woman was also a Muslim convert?..also I think it was a burka, not hijab).

AFAIK, the hijab is the covering of modesty in Islam, basically the veil. A burka is the cloak they wear.

Yes, I thought that the FL woman wanted to wear a burka?

Nope.

She can wear a Burka. That's not an issue. She cannot be allowed to cover her face though, which is the purpose of a hijab.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
She can wear a Burka. That's not an issue. She cannot be allowed to cover her face though, which is the purpose of a hijab.

I think that might be a reporting mistake. The hijab is basically a headscarf. It doesn't cover the face.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
She can wear a Burka. That's not an issue. She cannot be allowed to cover her face though, which is the purpose of a hijab.

I think that might be a reporting mistake. The hijab is basically a headscarf. It doesn't cover the face.

http://www.womeninworldhistory.com/essay-01.html

It's a headscarf that a portion of which is also wrapped in front of the face to create the effect of a veil.

It's interesting to note from the article that:

Muslims in their first century at first were relaxed about female dress. When the son of a prominent companion of the Prophet asked his wife Aisha bint Talha to veil her face, she answered, "Since the Almighty hath put on me the stamp of beauty, it is my wish that the public should view the beauty and thereby recognized His grace unto them. On no account, therefore, will I veil myself."

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: dahunan
another thing... If I insult Mohammed or Allah.. WHY THE FVCK DO YOU PEOPLE GET VIOLENT ABOUT IT AND CAST FATWAS and shi1t...

Why do you people kill authors of books or movies that you don't agree with

I would guess that it ultimately stems from the apostasy laws and how it really leads to unquestioning and some brainwashed people.

I wonder what Islamic Law is like for someone to insult Mohammed. I imagine it is the same as the punishment for an apostate.

It might only be rumor but I have heard that you get sent to jail if you sell a Bible in Saudi Arabia on the street. If you preach about Christianity you go to jail and if you insult Allah or their religion you also go to jail..

Nope, its not a rumour, its true, you cannot preach or practice any other religion other than Islam in Saudi Arabia. Everything else is true.

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Hey Sultan, you need to wake up and come to reality. By far, the followers of Islam are the most intolerant people in the world, its either convert or die or be tortured. Their way or no way at all.

Why can't gays live a happy life in Saudi Arabia? Why is it that gays live in constant fear that if they are caught they may face execution? Now you are giving pathetic excuses over these radical muslims trying to change laws in Europe so they could satisfy their radical muslim teachings.

So anyone who criticizes Islam is a bigot now?

Imagine if in a majority Christian or any other majority non-muslim country, gays and others were routinely arrested, tortured and executed, what would the outcry be. But since its the followers of Islam doing it, lets ignore it and move on.

Quran tells us being gay is wrong and anyone that is gay is exectued. Since the Quran is the word of God, what can we lowly mortals do other than obey? Are you suggesting I should not follow the word of God and go to hell?!? :Q

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: raildogg
Hey Sultan, you need to wake up and come to reality. By far, the followers of Islam are the most intolerant people in the world, its either convert or die or be tortured. Their way or no way at all.

Why can't gays live a happy life in Saudi Arabia? Why is it that gays live in constant fear that if they are caught they may face execution? Now you are giving pathetic excuses over these radical muslims trying to change laws in Europe so they could satisfy their radical muslim teachings.

So anyone who criticizes Islam is a bigot now?

Imagine if in a majority Christian or any other majority non-muslim country, gays and others were routinely arrested, tortured and executed, what would the outcry be. But since its the followers of Islam doing it, lets ignore it and move on.

Quran tells us being gay is wrong and anyone that is gay is exectued. Since the Quran is the word of God, what can we lowly mortals do other than obey? Are you suggesting I should not follow the word of God and go to hell?!? :Q

The fanatacism here is scary.

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: raildogg
Hey Sultan, you need to wake up and come to reality. By far, the followers of Islam are the most intolerant people in the world, its either convert or die or be tortured. Their way or no way at all.

Why can't gays live a happy life in Saudi Arabia? Why is it that gays live in constant fear that if they are caught they may face execution? Now you are giving pathetic excuses over these radical muslims trying to change laws in Europe so they could satisfy their radical muslim teachings.

So anyone who criticizes Islam is a bigot now?

Imagine if in a majority Christian or any other majority non-muslim country, gays and others were routinely arrested, tortured and executed, what would the outcry be. But since its the followers of Islam doing it, lets ignore it and move on.

Quran tells us being gay is wrong and anyone that is gay is exectued. Since the Quran is the word of God, what can we lowly mortals do other than obey? Are you suggesting I should not follow the word of God and go to hell?!? :Q

The fanatacism here is scary.

Glad you enjoyed it .

My point still stands, if the Quran tells a true Muslim to do something, they will do it to their best, should they listen to some lowly human or listen to what they believe is the word of God?

Please lets not turn this into whether God exists or not thread, leave that for OT forum....do they even allow it?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: raildogg
Hey Sultan, you need to wake up and come to reality. By far, the followers of Islam are the most intolerant people in the world, its either convert or die or be tortured. Their way or no way at all.

Why can't gays live a happy life in Saudi Arabia? Why is it that gays live in constant fear that if they are caught they may face execution? Now you are giving pathetic excuses over these radical muslims trying to change laws in Europe so they could satisfy their radical muslim teachings.

So anyone who criticizes Islam is a bigot now?

Imagine if in a majority Christian or any other majority non-muslim country, gays and others were routinely arrested, tortured and executed, what would the outcry be. But since its the followers of Islam doing it, lets ignore it and move on.

Quran tells us being gay is wrong and anyone that is gay is exectued. Since the Quran is the word of God, what can we lowly mortals do other than obey? Are you suggesting I should not follow the word of God and go to hell?!? :Q

Cross your fingers that you picked the right god. Because if god turns out to be gay or bisexual, hell may very well be the least of your worries.

 

[ddogg]

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: raildogg
Hey Sultan, you need to wake up and come to reality. By far, the followers of Islam are the most intolerant people in the world, its either convert or die or be tortured. Their way or no way at all.

Why can't gays live a happy life in Saudi Arabia? Why is it that gays live in constant fear that if they are caught they may face execution? Now you are giving pathetic excuses over these radical muslims trying to change laws in Europe so they could satisfy their radical muslim teachings.

So anyone who criticizes Islam is a bigot now?

Imagine if in a majority Christian or any other majority non-muslim country, gays and others were routinely arrested, tortured and executed, what would the outcry be. But since its the followers of Islam doing it, lets ignore it and move on.

Quran tells us being gay is wrong and anyone that is gay is exectued. Since the Quran is the word of God, what can we lowly mortals do other than obey? Are you suggesting I should not follow the word of God and go to hell?!? :Q

Cross your fingers that you picked the right god. Because if god turns out to be gay or bisexual, hell may very well be the least of your worries.

Theres no right god, theres one god, so I'm happy . thanks for your concern though, really appreciate it.