Infact it was more than 200 years before the Prophet's (PBUH) grandson, Imam Husain was killed that Imam Mehdi from his progeny conquered North Africa. The Ummayads who had killed the Prohpet's grandson had by that time retreated to spain after the arrival of Al Mehdi (not the prophets children). If you closely study Islamic history, the fatemid era was one the most peaceful and prosperous in Islamic history. There much misinformation and contraditcion on the iternet about this.
how about why whenever you have cafes and tourist spots blowing up, are there always muslims involved?
Coming from a Christian background I'm interested in the Muslim thoughts towards sin. What I mean is this; is man inherently good? or inherently evil? In accordance with this notion does the concept of grace exist in the muslim faith?
BTW thanks for providing this type of service, you are admirable for opening yourself up in this way.
BTW thanks for providing this type of service, you are admirable for opening yourself up in this way.
Can't believe I missed this thread.
As for your question, I think man is good, what Muslims believe is that anytime you commit a sin or have bad thoughts it is the devil corrupting you, its a long story where the devil told God that he will make all the humans sin and go to hell with him on judgement day....you have to beleive this stuff
the movie Constantine had an ''ok'' explanation of it. So I would say man is inherently good, but corrupted by the devil.I'm assuming you are refering to terrorist attacks, IF Muslims are actually involved, they will go to hell for murder. Muslims cannot kill civilians, no where in the Quran is it allowed, as a Muslims you can only defend and never attack.
Not really. They are just some pissed off Muslims, they are angry at America and Israel. ''Muslim Extremists'' didn't come up until Israel was created out of Palestine....THAT is the real coincidence.
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Can't believe I missed this thread.
As for your question, I think man is good, what Muslims believe is that anytime you commit a sin or have bad thoughts it is the devil corrupting you, its a long story where the devil told God that he will make all the humans sin and go to hell with him on judgement day....you have to beleive this stuff
By this logic is it fair to condemn those who go against Muslim law? I mean he/she couldn't help it and was corrupted by the devil. Also, by the same logic, humans are no more than pawns to be played around with by the Gods.
Originally posted by: Whaspe
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Can't believe I missed this thread.
As for your question, I think man is good, what Muslims believe is that anytime you commit a sin or have bad thoughts it is the devil corrupting you, its a long story where the devil told God that he will make all the humans sin and go to hell with him on judgement day....you have to beleive this stuff
By this logic is it fair to condemn those who go against Muslim law? I mean he/she couldn't help it and was corrupted by the devil. Also, by the same logic, humans are no more than pawns to be played around with by the Gods.
Actually no, its not like that at all. The devil tries to influence you to sin, is the person who makes the choice to do it or not. If I start feeling like stealing something(because the devil is trying to influence me), but I resist and not steal it, then its all good. But if someone steals, they made the choice and get punished. We are not pawns, we make our own choices, the devil just tries to influence us, but the individual person decides to sin or not.
Exactly,
Nobody can force you to sin. They can twist you good IF you let them, but cannot force you to sin. Sin by it's very definition must be with either reckless disregard or intent.
Nobody can force you to sin. They can twist you good IF you let them, but cannot force you to sin. Sin by it's very definition must be with either reckless disregard or intent.
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Originally posted by: Whaspe
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Can't believe I missed this thread.
As for your question, I think man is good, what Muslims believe is that anytime you commit a sin or have bad thoughts it is the devil corrupting you, its a long story where the devil told God that he will make all the humans sin and go to hell with him on judgement day....you have to beleive this stuff
By this logic is it fair to condemn those who go against Muslim law? I mean he/she couldn't help it and was corrupted by the devil. Also, by the same logic, humans are no more than pawns to be played around with by the Gods.
Actually no, its not like that at all. The devil tries to influence you to sin, is the person who makes the choice to do it or not. If I start feeling like stealing something(because the devil is trying to influence me), but I resist and not steal it, then its all good. But if someone steals, they made the choice and get punished. We are not pawns, we make our own choices, the devil just tries to influence us, but the individual person decides to sin or not.
Well that makes more sense, thanks. How do Muslims treat those who lived their whole life without knowledge of Islam? Can they gain entrance into "Heaven" (not sure what it is called for Muslims)? This is probably not a whole lot of people these days but not too long ago would have been more prominent.
Originally posted by: Whaspe
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Originally posted by: Whaspe
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Can't believe I missed this thread.
As for your question, I think man is good, what Muslims believe is that anytime you commit a sin or have bad thoughts it is the devil corrupting you, its a long story where the devil told God that he will make all the humans sin and go to hell with him on judgement day....you have to beleive this stuff
By this logic is it fair to condemn those who go against Muslim law? I mean he/she couldn't help it and was corrupted by the devil. Also, by the same logic, humans are no more than pawns to be played around with by the Gods.
Actually no, its not like that at all. The devil tries to influence you to sin, is the person who makes the choice to do it or not. If I start feeling like stealing something(because the devil is trying to influence me), but I resist and not steal it, then its all good. But if someone steals, they made the choice and get punished. We are not pawns, we make our own choices, the devil just tries to influence us, but the individual person decides to sin or not.
Well that makes more sense, thanks. How do Muslims treat those who lived their whole life without knowledge of Islam? Can they gain entrance into "Heaven" (not sure what it is called for Muslims)? This is probably not a whole lot of people these days but not too long ago would have been more prominent.
Well, unlike other religions that claim you have to be WITH their own religion or you go to hell, in Islam you simply have to believe in one God. You don't have to be in any religion to get into heaven, not believing in God is the one unforgivable sin that gets you into hell for eternity, all other sins you get sent to hell(for whatever the amount is) and then you go to heaven after you take your medicine. As long as you believe in the one God, you go to heaven, even if you are not Muslim.
The 3 major religions, Christianity, Judiesm and Islam were all the same at one point, before Christianity and Judiesm was changed, they are still going to heaven because they believe in God. All 3 have the one God, the new Christians who say Jesus is God etc etc, they are going to hell because they do not believe in the one God.
At this time, I doubt anyone on Earth has not heard of the 3 major religions...
I hope that helped.
People are murdering people (Muslums,christians, and jews) all over the earth in the name of Islam.
If this is against your faith why does your faith not speak out more against it?
I am afraid I have been waiting for the outcry and it has been near non exsistant.
Why are these apostates not judged by your faith?
If this is against your faith why does your faith not speak out more against it?
I am afraid I have been waiting for the outcry and it has been near non exsistant.
Why are these apostates not judged by your faith?
Don't worry IF they are indeed killing innocent civlians, they will go to hell, as for the no outcry....its complicated, one reason I believe is pride. I'm assuming you were referring to the ''extermists'', in that case most people probably have the mindset that America and Israel are hurting Muslims, so the ''extremists'' are fighting back, sure they kill innocent civlians, but they also hurt America and Israel soldiers that are invading. So in the end, most muslims know what the ''extremists'' is wrong one way, but good in the other way(kill american soldiers and israeli), double-edged sword, what can we do?
If this is true that it is not allowed to kill Muslim civilians without going to hell, then there is only one thing to do. You must either fight ONLY the soldiers opressing you (in your own opinion), or win through elections and politics. There can be no way to peace through self loathing and self damnation.
Please refer to Answer 15. The translation of the Quran provided answers your question. Thank you
This is irrelevant to the Islamic faith.
I would argue why the Christian forces are terrorising the nation of Iraq and killing indiscriminately. Why is the Christian army trading pictures of injured and killed civilians (or fighters for that matter) for porn access? Why was the Christian Serbs massacring the Bosnians? Why is that whenever you have armed massacres, terrorism and invasion, there are always Christians involved?
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Does Christianity teach you to lie, invade, occupy, ridicule, torture, sexually molest and demolish a nation and its people? Does it teach you to cut off a young boy's head in front of his mother and play soccer with the sawed off head?
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