The Islamic Thread 2

[maluckey]

Reposting from your other thread I see.

This is not allowed

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Reposting from your other thread I see.

This is not allowed

Not really, if he wanted to give the same exact reply to the exact same question...

 

[maluckey]

It's not an answer, it's called an attack. An answer must give information relevant to the question.

I'm still waitng in the other thread for an answer, but all I hear is drivel and baseless accusations, sprinkled with racist accusations and hate.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: maluckey
It's not an answer, it's called an attack. An answer must give information relevant to the question.

I'm still waitng in the other thread for an answer, but all I hear is drivel and baseless accusations, sprinkled with racist accusations and hate.

If you have any capabilities of comprehension, you will find answers to your question.

By the way, crediting me with drivel and baseless accusations, sprinkled with racist accusations and hate is what is called an attack. Your further posts will be ignored. I am not going to put my energy into having a civil discussion with someone who has an IQ of 0.5.

 

[TheTurk]

Woman are treated like a dirt in every culture and religion.
In Christianity, Woman are subjected to prostutition, domestic violance for example.

Women's suffering is universal.

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: TheTurk
Woman are treated like a dirt in every culture and religion.
In Christianity, Woman are subjected to prostutition, domestic violance for example.

Women's suffering is universal.

This is news to me, so the bible teaches christians to make their women prostitutes and beat them?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: TheTurk
Woman are treated like a dirt in every culture and religion.
In Christianity, Woman are subjected to prostutition, domestic violance for example.

Women's suffering is universal.

I think every group is treating like dirt in almost every culture and religion, but to a certain degree. I think that Christianity seems to have some subservient passages, as does Islam in regards to women.

I also think that people are mainly saying that women's conditions are generally bad in Islamic countries, but I don't know if that's right...maybe just some Middle Eastern countries.

 

[TheTurk]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: TheTurk
Woman are treated like a dirt in every culture and religion.
In Christianity, Woman are subjected to prostutition, domestic violance for example.
Women's suffering is universal.

This is news to me, so the bible teaches christians to make their women prostitutes and beat them?

Not at all. But the culture which is a derivative of the religion and Western culture as practiced by humans (as well as all the other ones) tolerates the abuse of woman. Therefor, Christianity as well as Islam or Judaisim has the least respect for woman. They are all invented by MEN, not WOMEN.
So the idea that Woman are better treated in Christianity than Islam is false.

Besides in many Asian cultures burning of woman is still practiced. But those are old stuff that are fading away every day.

In brief, it is the humans that do bad stuff not religions or cultures themselves.

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: TheTurk

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: TheTurk
Woman are treated like a dirt in every culture and religion.
In Christianity, Woman are subjected to prostutition, domestic violance for example.
Women's suffering is universal.

This is news to me, so the bible teaches christians to make their women prostitutes and beat them?

Not at all. But the culture which is a derivative of the religion and Western culture as practiced by humans (as well as all the other ones) tolerates the abuse of woman. Therefor, Christianity as well as Islam or Judaisim has the least respect for woman. They are all invented by MEN, not WOMEN.
So the idea that Woman are better treated in Christianity than Islam is false.

Besides in many Asian cultures burning of woman is still practiced. But those are old stuff that are fading away every day.

In brief, it is the humans that do bad stuff not religions or cultures themselves.

I don't know about the bible, but the Quran teaches very good treatment of women, if someone doesnt(even if he is a muslim) i would never blame the religion or the culture, i blame the person. if the religion teaches people to treat women good, and they choose not to, is that the fault of the religion or the person?

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: TheTurk
Woman are treated like a dirt in every culture and religion.
In Christianity, Woman are subjected to prostutition, domestic violance for example.

Women's suffering is universal.

I think every group is treating like dirt in almost every culture and religion, but to a certain degree. I think that Christianity seems to have some subservient passages, as does Islam in regards to women.

I also think that people are mainly saying that women's conditions are generally bad in Islamic countries, but I don't know if that's right...maybe just some Middle Eastern countries.

Having lived in Kuwait and Yemen, I'd say women are treated well, in Saudi Arabia non-arabian women are treated badly, from what I saw when I went last year, but I don't blame the religion, that would be silly, I blame the country itself.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Having lived in Kuwait and Yemen, I'd say women are treated well, in Saudi Arabia non-arabian women are treated badly, from what I saw when I went last year, but I don't blame the religion, that would be silly, I blame the country itself.

Please keep the posts in this thread limited to learning about the RELIGION and not the culture or traditions of modern nations.

Thank you.

 

[maluckey]

Please keep the posts in this thread limited to learning about the RELIGION and not the culture or traditions of modern nations.

Agreed,

That will eliminate most of the strife associated with extremists. It would also alleviate you having to answer for he perversions of the religion by extremists and warped individuals. Christianity has had their share.

Torquemada was no winner, and seemed enthusiastic in his works. Perhaps he had to prove he was more Christian than others because his grandmother was a Jew.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: maluckey

Please keep the posts in this thread limited to learning about the RELIGION and not the culture or traditions of modern nations.

Agreed,

That will eliminate most of the strife associated with extremists. It would also alleviate you having to answer for he perversions of the religion by extremists and warped individuals. Christianity has had their share.

Torquemada was no winner, and seemed enthusiastic in his works. Perhaps he had to prove he was more Christian than others because his grandmother was a Jew.

I dont see a question here, but thank you for your post.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: TheTurk
Woman are treated like a dirt in every culture and religion.
In Christianity, Woman are subjected to prostutition, domestic violance for example.

Women's suffering is universal.

I think every group is treating like dirt in almost every culture and religion, but to a certain degree. I think that Christianity seems to have some subservient passages, as does Islam in regards to women.

I also think that people are mainly saying that women's conditions are generally bad in Islamic countries, but I don't know if that's right...maybe just some Middle Eastern countries.

Having lived in Kuwait and Yemen, I'd say women are treated well, in Saudi Arabia non-arabian women are treated badly, from what I saw when I went last year, but I don't blame the religion, that would be silly, I blame the country itself.

Yep, Arab women cant leave the house on their own? they have to be escorted by a male?

a couple in any of these despotic countries cannot be seen holding hands or showing any type of affection? and why cant they have drive a car?

lets not even get into the physical abuse they have to suffer for even committing the slightest of crimes.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Reading the answers to some of these questions, it seems that a strict interpretation of Islam has parts of barbarity, discrimination, and so on. From the harsh, cruel, and barbaric punishments, discrimination in terms of marriage in regards to women and men and non-'people of the book', refusal to allow someone to abandon Islam as their religion and if so it leads to death, bigotry against homosexuals, and so on leads to some very disturbing ideas and thoughts if taken into today's time.

I suspect that the same is also true of Christianity and Judaism - can someone confirm?

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: TheTurk
Woman are treated like a dirt in every culture and religion.
In Christianity, Woman are subjected to prostutition, domestic violance for example.

Women's suffering is universal.

I think every group is treating like dirt in almost every culture and religion, but to a certain degree. I think that Christianity seems to have some subservient passages, as does Islam in regards to women.

I also think that people are mainly saying that women's conditions are generally bad in Islamic countries, but I don't know if that's right...maybe just some Middle Eastern countries.

Having lived in Kuwait and Yemen, I'd say women are treated well, in Saudi Arabia non-arabian women are treated badly, from what I saw when I went last year, but I don't blame the religion, that would be silly, I blame the country itself.

Yep, Arab women cant leave the house on their own? they have to be escorted by a male?

a couple in any of these despotic countries cannot be seen holding hands or showing any type of affection? and why cant they have drive a car?

lets not even get into the physical abuse they have to suffer for even committing the slightest of crimes.

Kuwait and Yemen are part of the greater Arab nation.

Also, if you do not understand the difference between ISLAM and ARAB, please keep your thoughts to yourself.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: TheTurk
Woman are treated like a dirt in every culture and religion.
In Christianity, Woman are subjected to prostutition, domestic violance for example.

Women's suffering is universal.

I think every group is treating like dirt in almost every culture and religion, but to a certain degree. I think that Christianity seems to have some subservient passages, as does Islam in regards to women.

I also think that people are mainly saying that women's conditions are generally bad in Islamic countries, but I don't know if that's right...maybe just some Middle Eastern countries.

Having lived in Kuwait and Yemen, I'd say women are treated well, in Saudi Arabia non-arabian women are treated badly, from what I saw when I went last year, but I don't blame the religion, that would be silly, I blame the country itself.

Yep, Arab women cant leave the house on their own? they have to be escorted by a male?

a couple in any of these despotic countries cannot be seen holding hands or showing any type of affection? and why cant they have drive a car?

lets not even get into the physical abuse they have to suffer for even committing the slightest of crimes.

Kuwait and Yemen are part of the greater Arab nation.

Also, if you do not understand the difference between ISLAM and ARAB, please keep your thoughts to yourself.

Oh right, as if I even intended in any way that Arab = Islam, although "almost" all Arabs are muslim, especially in the region I am talking about.

So why cant you answer those questions?

Yep, Arab women cant leave the house on their own? they have to be escorted by a male?

a couple in any of these despotic countries cannot be seen holding hands or showing any type of affection? and why cant they have drive a car?

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: TheTurk
Woman are treated like a dirt in every culture and religion.
In Christianity, Woman are subjected to prostutition, domestic violance for example.

Women's suffering is universal.

I think every group is treating like dirt in almost every culture and religion, but to a certain degree. I think that Christianity seems to have some subservient passages, as does Islam in regards to women.

I also think that people are mainly saying that women's conditions are generally bad in Islamic countries, but I don't know if that's right...maybe just some Middle Eastern countries.

Having lived in Kuwait and Yemen, I'd say women are treated well, in Saudi Arabia non-arabian women are treated badly, from what I saw when I went last year, but I don't blame the religion, that would be silly, I blame the country itself.

Yep, Arab women cant leave the house on their own? they have to be escorted by a male?

a couple in any of these despotic countries cannot be seen holding hands or showing any type of affection? and why cant they have drive a car?

lets not even get into the physical abuse they have to suffer for even committing the slightest of crimes.

Man, must been hard for my sisters and all their friends to go to university and work while being all alone...especially since they had to walk there 5 hour

Having a man take you to places is not a requirement, its suggested to prevent any attackers, so if a woman wants to leave the house it is encouraged she leaves with a male from the family for safety reasons.

''a couple in any of these despotic countries cannot be seen holding hands or showing any type of affection?''

Dating is a sin, so Muslims don't run into that problem and no showing affection won't get you into trouble by the law, you might get punished by your muslim parents(if they are) and thats about it...you might get a few disapproving leers too

''lets not even get into the physical abuse they have to suffer for even committing the slightest of crimes''

yes lets not get into ''physical abuse'' that doesn't exist .

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Reading the answers to some of these questions, it seems that a strict interpretation of Islam has parts of barbarity, discrimination, and so on. From the harsh, cruel, and barbaric punishments, discrimination in terms of marriage in regards to women and men and non-'people of the book', refusal to allow someone to abandon Islam as their religion and if so it leads to death, bigotry against homosexuals, and so on leads to some very disturbing ideas and thoughts if taken into today's time.

I suspect that the same is also true of Christianity and Judaism - can someone confirm?

Do you even need a confirmation? You already made up your own questions and answered em for yourself .

Care to elaborate on how the answers show those things you said?.....Actually break it down pleas instead of making claims without justifying it.

Thanks.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Reading the answers to some of these questions, it seems that a strict interpretation of Islam has parts of barbarity, discrimination, and so on. From the harsh, cruel, and barbaric punishments, discrimination in terms of marriage in regards to women and men and non-'people of the book', refusal to allow someone to abandon Islam as their religion and if so it leads to death, bigotry against homosexuals, and so on leads to some very disturbing ideas and thoughts if taken into today's time.

I suspect that the same is also true of Christianity and Judaism - can someone confirm?

Do you even need a confirmation? You already made up your own questions and answered em for yourself .

I'm actually not sure how Christianity and Judaism would compare to Islam in these circumstances. That's why I'm asking.

Care to elaborate on how the answers show those things you said?.....Actually break it down pleas instead of making claims without justifying it.

Thanks.

1. Harsh and barbaric punishments - I find the death penalty to be a barbaric act. In addition, the other punishments such as bashing a person's head in with a rock is very barbaric in my view.

2. Discrimination in Marriage - There are severe differences in who men and women of the Islamic faith can marry. In addition, there is overall discrimination of non 'people of the book' in terms of marriage prospects. This is a very offensive discriminatory tactic, IMO.

3. Apostasy is punishable by death. This also shows that it is inherently a weak system as it apparetnly cannot stand up to criticism.

4. Homosexual acts is wrong and punishable by death if caught.

These are some of the primary reasons why I have come to my conclusion. How do you disagree with my assesment in regards to these four points?

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: TheTurk
Woman are treated like a dirt in every culture and religion.
In Christianity, Woman are subjected to prostutition, domestic violance for example.

Women's suffering is universal.

I think every group is treating like dirt in almost every culture and religion, but to a certain degree. I think that Christianity seems to have some subservient passages, as does Islam in regards to women.

I also think that people are mainly saying that women's conditions are generally bad in Islamic countries, but I don't know if that's right...maybe just some Middle Eastern countries.

Having lived in Kuwait and Yemen, I'd say women are treated well, in Saudi Arabia non-arabian women are treated badly, from what I saw when I went last year, but I don't blame the religion, that would be silly, I blame the country itself.

Yep, Arab women cant leave the house on their own? they have to be escorted by a male?

a couple in any of these despotic countries cannot be seen holding hands or showing any type of affection? and why cant they have drive a car?

lets not even get into the physical abuse they have to suffer for even committing the slightest of crimes.

Man, must been hard for my sisters and all their friends to go to university and work while being all alone...especially since they had to walk there 5 hour

Having a man take you to places is not a requirement, its suggested to prevent any attackers, so if a woman wants to leave the house it is encouraged she leaves with a male from the family for safety reasons.

''a couple in any of these despotic countries cannot be seen holding hands or showing any type of affection?''

Dating is a sin, so Muslims don't run into that problem and no showing affection won't get you into trouble by the law, you might get punished by your muslim parents(if they are) and thats about it...you might get a few disapproving leers too

''lets not even get into the physical abuse they have to suffer for even committing the slightest of crimes''

yes lets not get into ''physical abuse'' that doesn't exist .

Physical abuse does not exist in these despotic Arab countries? I think your bias is showing, but it is understandable.

I was speaking of married women.

Sharia law is very harsh, if you do not think so, then we live in different worlds.

Much of what you wrote in that post is not true, and that is being generous.

Homosexuality is illegal in Saudi Arabia and other muslim countries. If you are gay and are found, they will torture you and possibly execute you. Please tell me, why is that?

Sure, you can show affection to your loved one and kiss in public without getting caught:disgust:

Here is the truth:

Saudi 'Idol' Detained for Kissing Fans

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: TheTurk
Woman are treated like a dirt in every culture and religion.
In Christianity, Woman are subjected to prostutition, domestic violance for example.

Women's suffering is universal.

I think every group is treating like dirt in almost every culture and religion, but to a certain degree. I think that Christianity seems to have some subservient passages, as does Islam in regards to women.

I also think that people are mainly saying that women's conditions are generally bad in Islamic countries, but I don't know if that's right...maybe just some Middle Eastern countries.

Having lived in Kuwait and Yemen, I'd say women are treated well, in Saudi Arabia non-arabian women are treated badly, from what I saw when I went last year, but I don't blame the religion, that would be silly, I blame the country itself.

Yep, Arab women cant leave the house on their own? they have to be escorted by a male?

a couple in any of these despotic countries cannot be seen holding hands or showing any type of affection? and why cant they have drive a car?

lets not even get into the physical abuse they have to suffer for even committing the slightest of crimes.

Man, must been hard for my sisters and all their friends to go to university and work while being all alone...especially since they had to walk there 5 hour

Having a man take you to places is not a requirement, its suggested to prevent any attackers, so if a woman wants to leave the house it is encouraged she leaves with a male from the family for safety reasons.

''a couple in any of these despotic countries cannot be seen holding hands or showing any type of affection?''

Dating is a sin, so Muslims don't run into that problem and no showing affection won't get you into trouble by the law, you might get punished by your muslim parents(if they are) and thats about it...you might get a few disapproving leers too

''lets not even get into the physical abuse they have to suffer for even committing the slightest of crimes''

yes lets not get into ''physical abuse'' that doesn't exist .

Physical abuse does not exist in these despotic Arab countries? I think your bias is showing, but it is understandable.

I was speaking of married women.

Sharia law is very harsh, if you do not think so, then we live in different worlds.

Much of what you wrote in that post is not true, and that is being generous.

Homosexuality is illegal in Saudi Arabia and other muslim countries. If you are gay and are found, they will torture you and possibly execute you. Please tell me, why is that?

Sure, you can show affection to your loved one and kiss in public without getting caught:disgust:

Here is the truth:

Saudi 'Idol' Detained for Kissing Fans

Ya you are right, you cannot show affection. In that case it is because the muslim gov't doesnt wanna allow this to spread, because it leads to ''other'' things which are of greater sin, might as well stop it before it spreads.

Whether you agree or not with it is totally relative, it is fact whether it is wrong or not, it all depends on the person and their view point.

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Reading the answers to some of these questions, it seems that a strict interpretation of Islam has parts of barbarity, discrimination, and so on. From the harsh, cruel, and barbaric punishments, discrimination in terms of marriage in regards to women and men and non-'people of the book', refusal to allow someone to abandon Islam as their religion and if so it leads to death, bigotry against homosexuals, and so on leads to some very disturbing ideas and thoughts if taken into today's time.

I suspect that the same is also true of Christianity and Judaism - can someone confirm?

Do you even need a confirmation? You already made up your own questions and answered em for yourself .

I'm actually not sure how Christianity and Judaism would compare to Islam in these circumstances. That's why I'm asking.

Care to elaborate on how the answers show those things you said?.....Actually break it down pleas instead of making claims without justifying it.

Thanks.

1. Harsh and barbaric punishments - I find the death penalty to be a barbaric act. In addition, the other punishments such as bashing a person's head in with a rock is very barbaric in my view.

2. Discrimination in Marriage - There are severe differences in who men and women of the Islamic faith can marry. In addition, there is overall discrimination of non 'people of the book' in terms of marriage prospects. This is a very offensive discriminatory tactic, IMO.

3. Apostasy is punishable by death. This also shows that it is inherently a weak system as it apparetnly cannot stand up to criticism.

4. Homosexual acts is wrong and punishable by death if caught.

These are some of the primary reasons why I have come to my conclusion. How do you disagree with my assesment in regards to these four points?

One important thing, that is all relative, since it is your opinion it can easily be dismissed .

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Reading the answers to some of these questions, it seems that a strict interpretation of Islam has parts of barbarity, discrimination, and so on. From the harsh, cruel, and barbaric punishments, discrimination in terms of marriage in regards to women and men and non-'people of the book', refusal to allow someone to abandon Islam as their religion and if so it leads to death, bigotry against homosexuals, and so on leads to some very disturbing ideas and thoughts if taken into today's time.

I suspect that the same is also true of Christianity and Judaism - can someone confirm?

Do you even need a confirmation? You already made up your own questions and answered em for yourself .

I'm actually not sure how Christianity and Judaism would compare to Islam in these circumstances. That's why I'm asking.

Care to elaborate on how the answers show those things you said?.....Actually break it down pleas instead of making claims without justifying it.

Thanks.

1. Harsh and barbaric punishments - I find the death penalty to be a barbaric act. In addition, the other punishments such as bashing a person's head in with a rock is very barbaric in my view.

2. Discrimination in Marriage - There are severe differences in who men and women of the Islamic faith can marry. In addition, there is overall discrimination of non 'people of the book' in terms of marriage prospects. This is a very offensive discriminatory tactic, IMO.

3. Apostasy is punishable by death. This also shows that it is inherently a weak system as it apparetnly cannot stand up to criticism.

4. Homosexual acts is wrong and punishable by death if caught.

These are some of the primary reasons why I have come to my conclusion. How do you disagree with my assesment in regards to these four points?

One important thing, that is all relative, since it is your opinion it can easily be dismissed .

Any law created by some invisible being should not be forced upon visible humans

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Reading the answers to some of these questions, it seems that a strict interpretation of Islam has parts of barbarity, discrimination, and so on. From the harsh, cruel, and barbaric punishments, discrimination in terms of marriage in regards to women and men and non-'people of the book', refusal to allow someone to abandon Islam as their religion and if so it leads to death, bigotry against homosexuals, and so on leads to some very disturbing ideas and thoughts if taken into today's time.

I suspect that the same is also true of Christianity and Judaism - can someone confirm?

Do you even need a confirmation? You already made up your own questions and answered em for yourself .

I'm actually not sure how Christianity and Judaism would compare to Islam in these circumstances. That's why I'm asking.

Care to elaborate on how the answers show those things you said?.....Actually break it down pleas instead of making claims without justifying it.

Thanks.

1. Harsh and barbaric punishments - I find the death penalty to be a barbaric act. In addition, the other punishments such as bashing a person's head in with a rock is very barbaric in my view.

2. Discrimination in Marriage - There are severe differences in who men and women of the Islamic faith can marry. In addition, there is overall discrimination of non 'people of the book' in terms of marriage prospects. This is a very offensive discriminatory tactic, IMO.

3. Apostasy is punishable by death. This also shows that it is inherently a weak system as it apparetnly cannot stand up to criticism.

4. Homosexual acts is wrong and punishable by death if caught.

These are some of the primary reasons why I have come to my conclusion. How do you disagree with my assesment in regards to these four points?

One important thing, that is all relative, since it is your opinion it can easily be dismissed .

Any law created by some invisible being should not be forced upon visible humans

A cookie to stop here and not turn this into ''does god exist'' thread, stay on topic please