The interracial gay kiss seen 'round the world

[PokerGuy]

Sure you do. Just try it. If there's no rational reason to find something gross, it's easy enough to change if you try.

No, that's like telling someone they can control who they are attracted to. Just try it, there's no rational reason not to like that other person instead

This is all learned behavior.

Baloney. Again, that's like saying whoever you're attracted to is 'learned behavior'. It is not, and neither is your taste. Now you could desensitize yourself to something, but that doesn't mean it's no longer repulsive, it just means you've gotten better at not reacting to it.

 

[JD50]

I literally just cut and pasted what I wrote before. I thought what I wrote was very clear: if you don't want to watch any kissing at all that's fine. If you selectively don't want to watch people kissing based on their sexual orientation, that makes you a bigot. Sexual orientation means any sexual orientation, gay or straight.

I'm going to slightly disagree with you here. I find a man kissing a man gross because I'm not in the least bit attracted to men. The same way that I'd find an unattractive male and an unattractive female kissing to be gross. I'm assuming that's how most people feel, regardless of how they feel about gay people. So I'm not sure it's fair to apply the bigot label so quickly to people that don't want to see two men kiss.

 

[PokerGuy]

So I'm not sure it's fair to apply the bigot label so quickly to people that don't want to see two men kiss.

Sorry, according to eskimo, you are a hateful bigot, and a bad person. No rational thought is allowed, and no personal preferences are allowed. If you don't agree with his view, you are a hateful bigot. End of story.

 

[nehalem256]

Sure you do. Just try it. If there's no rational reason to find something gross, it's easy enough to change if you try.

This is all learned behavior. There is nothing inherently disgusting about two men kissing. Small children for instance don't find it disgusting because they've not yet been taught that it's disgusting. If something is not inherently disgusting, then you have the power to not consider it disgusting.

So by that logic it should be easy for gays to become straight ()

 

[nehalem256]

Actually there is a perfectly rational reason to find 2 men kissing to be gross. Seems to me that kissing(at least romantic kissing) in general is gross. I mean think of all the bacteria living in another person's mouth D:

Its just that sexual desire can override said normal repulsion. Which is probably why many straight men would prefer to see 2 women kiss than a man and a woman kiss. Double the override so to speak

 

[SlowSpyder]

So by that logic it should be easy for gays to become straight ()

There's a difference between instinctive behavior and learned behavior. I have no idea what it is like to be gay as I'm not, all I can piece together what it might be like is by what they say. Every gay person I've ever spoken too and has talked about it has said that they've known they were attracted to the same sex since they can remember. I don't know, I can't get in their head. But to say you can't get over the idea of men kissing as it isn't learned is wrong... guess what, I've done it and it really doesn't bother me anymore.

But then again, I'm also secure in my sexuality... anything you want to talk about?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I don't think it's bigotry to not want to see two people kiss. However, there's a fine line between not wanting to see it and going online to tell the world you think it's disgusting, and ESPN should be ashamed for airing it, and other such nonsense that people posted to Twitter during the telecast. I was curious about how often draftees are shown kissing their partners, and literally the first person I looked up (Robert Griffin III) was shown kissing his girlfriend after getting drafted. I don't recall a big Twitter outcry about how disgusting it was to show public displays of affection back then. But I guess it's different if you can't get an erection watching it. The double standard, that's where the bigotry comes in; it's OK if this class of people does it, but if this other group of people does it, I'm raising hell.

 

[soulcougher73]

Doesnt bother me. But then again im not racist, bigot or homophobe. Just not my thing. I like tha womenz.

 

[nehalem256]

I don't think it's bigotry to not want to see two people kiss. However, there's a fine line between not wanting to see it and going online to tell the world you think it's disgusting, and ESPN should be ashamed for airing it, and other such nonsense that people posted to Twitter during the telecast. I was curious about how often draftees are shown kissing their partners, and literally the first person I looked up (Robert Griffin III) was shown kissing his girlfriend after getting drafted. I don't recall a big Twitter outcry about how disgusting it was to show public displays of affection back then. But I guess it's different if you can't get an erection watching it. The double standard, that's where the bigotry comes in; it's OK if this class of people does it, but if this other group of people does it, I'm raising hell.

You do realize that it is possible for 2 straight people of the same gender to kiss right? In fact straight women often do it for attention.

So "class" of people not found.

 

[feralkid]

Actually there is a perfectly rational reason to find 2 men kissing to be gross. Seems to me that kissing(at least romantic kissing) in general is gross. I mean think of all the bacteria living in another person's mouth D:

Its just that sexual desire can override said normal repulsion. Which is probably why many straight men would prefer to see 2 women kiss than a man and a woman kiss. Double the override so to speak

What about kissing a toaster? Gross or hot?

 

[SlowSpyder]

You do realize that it is possible for 2 straight people of the same gender to kiss right? In fact straight women often do it for attention.

So "class" of people not found.

Good argument brah. Seriously, that's what you have to counter his points? Good job. :thumbsup:

 

[michal1980]

. But to say you can't get over the idea of men kissing as it isn't learned is wrong... guess what, I've done it and it really doesn't bother me anymore.

How do you know its learned?

IMHO it seems like a perfectly natural reaction to see men kissing romantically to be gross:

1) Its atypical behavior
2) its very different from how most people are born.. ie most people are born heterosexual to see something that differs from that should/is off putting.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Why does it matter if you think it's gross? You think that people spontaneously kissing their partners are doing it for your benefit?

 

[Retro Rob]

How do you know its learned?

IMHO it seems like a perfectly natural reaction to see men kissing romantically to be gross:

1) Its atypical behavior
2) its very different from how most people are born.. ie most people are born heterosexual to see something that differs from that should/is off putting.

Honestly, for me it's a natural reaction for as long as I can remember, I've been that way.

Saying its a learned behavior is the same as saying being gay is a learned behavior -- I was born this way.

 

[SlowSpyder]

How do you know its learned?

IMHO it seems like a perfectly natural reaction to see men kissing romantically to be gross:

1) Its atypical behavior
2) its very different from how most people are born.. ie most people are born heterosexual to see something that differs from that should/is off putting.

I'm not sure I agree with you, but for the sake or argument I will. Either way, it isn't a difficult thing to change.

 

[K1052]

Honestly, for me it's a natural reaction for as long as I can remember, I've been that way.

Saying its a learned behavior is the same as saying being gay is a learned behavior -- I was born this way.

I see straight people kissing all the time and never have I thought that it was gross. I just view it with disinterest. It is on par with a cow chewing hay for me. Not good or bad, it just is.

Your upbringing and experiences of course shaped your reactions to basically all social situations. The part when we become adults is to step back and ask why we might react the way that we do to some things and does it actually make any logical sense.

 

[fskimospy]

Honestly, for me it's a natural reaction for as long as I can remember, I've been that way.

Saying its a learned behavior is the same as saying being gay is a learned behavior -- I was born this way.

You think people are innately repulsed by same sex behavior? Given the prevalence of homosexuality in numerous different cultures around the world that seems unlikely.

 

[michal1980]

You think people are innately repulsed by same sex behavior? Given the prevalence of homosexuality in numerous different cultures around the world that seems unlikely.

define prevalence.

most surveys put homosexuality at ~5% of the population. In the grand scheme of things that's hardly any.

 

[UberNeuman]

Well, that wasn't good. I mean all the lead up and foreplay and no happy ending. I can't cum to this!

Guys. Do better next time!

\Is this really still something people are bothered by?
\\I'm not a big fan of public displays of affection, unless it's me attempting an ass-cheek grab on Sheila, the counter clerk, at the 7-11. She wants it.

 

[Retro Rob]

You think people are innately repulsed by same sex behavior? Given the prevalence of homosexuality in numerous different cultures around the world that seems unlikely.

If you didn't have to not be repulsed, then I didn't have to learn to be. I think its natural, actually, just like it is to be right-handed.

 

[davmat787]

Couples who go overboard with their PDA's are almost always attention whores. Limiting your PDA to what is society currently deems acceptable is simply a sign of respect.

Much like cursing around children in public is frowned upon let legal, so is going overboard with your PDA. It is simply a matter of courtesy and respect, not bigotry as it applies across the spectrum.

 

[alzan]

define prevalence.

most surveys put homosexuality at ~5% of the population. In the grand scheme of things that's hardly any.

Just in the US that's ~18 million people. A significant number of people in anybody's book.

 

[michal1980]

Just in the US that's ~18 million people. A significant number of people in anybody's book.

still just 5% of the population. IMHO seems perfectly natural to not feel comfortable with something so far out of the norm.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

still just 5% of the population. IMHO seems perfectly natural to not feel comfortable with something so far out of the norm.

It's the same reason I demand they keep the profoundly handicapped off my TV. It's not the norm, why should I have to be exposed to it?

 

[fskimospy]

If you didn't have to not be repulsed, then I didn't have to learn to be. I think its natural, actually, just like it is to be right-handed.

Do you have any evidence for this?

I think I was raised by my family one way and you were raised in another.