The Intel Atom Thread

Discussion in 'CPUs and Overclocking' started by Sweepr, Sep 11, 2013.

  1. mikk

    mikk Platinum Member

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    GPU should be the same (Gen9), only the display controller might be different if it has native HDMI 2.0 for the first time. CPU-wise it's a surprise, it's a bigger refresh than Silvermont->Airmont.
     
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    Absolutely. Gemini Lake features Gen 9 graphics / Gen 10 display.

    Forgot about eMMC 5.1 support too.
     
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    So 31% CPU performance increase via 14nm+ process, more cache and maybe something else. Goldmont Plus hints at an updated core. Of course we need some benchmarks first.
     
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    31%, wow! That L2 cache + frequency uplift (14nm+ or 14nm++?) could certainly do it :)

    Hopefully Atom becomes truly great in a few generations.
     
  5. Jan Olšan

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    Is the comparison really against Braswell? I would expect them to compare wtih Apollo Lake (Goldmont). I think 30% uplift was already projected for Apollo/Goldmont.

    Edit: I looked up the news from last year and IIRC Ashraf Eassa suggested that Gemini is still 14nm, which would probably mean there is a PAO scheme going on instead of tick tock, anf Gemini is something like Kaby Lake.

    tick/process: braswell/cherry trail/airmont
    tock/architecture: apollo lake/broxton/goldmont
    optimization: gemini lake/goldmont plus
    (?tick/process: mercury lake?)
     
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    With the ARM A75 reveal, the Atom is now into a difficult position... They only defeat MIPS right now since VIA is about to do a leapfrog on the next generation...
     
  7. mikk

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    Wait +31% is compared to Braswell? Basically zero CPU improvements to Apollo Lake in that case. The only big change seems to be native HDMI 2.0 then.
     
  8. FanlessTech

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    Sorry I meant Apollo Lake :D
     
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  9. Jan Olšan

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    Oho, that's going to be something then :)
     
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    What is Gen 10 display? Is it just HDMI 2.0 or does it include Freesync/VRR/DP 1.4?
     
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    Interesting.. Coffee Lake does not have this apparently.
     
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  13. dark zero

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    Ouch... Another gen to skip it.
     
  14. Sweepr

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    Intel Compute Card specs leaked (Apollo Lake and Kaby Lake models)

     
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    It's also worth noting that the Z270 boards are shown as SKL + KBL, but Coffee Lake is a platform of its own. I think this suggests lack of CFL compatibility with Z270. Bummer.
     
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    [​IMG]

    https://twitter.com/WikiChip

    Thanks to nvgpu for the heads up. The 31% CPU performance uplift compared to Apollo Lake makes more sense now.
     
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    Previous leaks said Goldmont Plus was the same as Goldmont with L2 cache size increased from 2MB to 4MB.

    The 31% performance increase seems to be against Braswell not Apollo Lake. And do you really think such a different uarch would be named Goldmont Plus? I bet that tweet is wrong.

    EDIT: I might be the one wrong here!

    https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/9836747/
    Code:
     - Goldmont Plus has 4-wide pipeline for Topdown
    
    Unexpected to say the least!
     
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    More innovation from Intel's Atom team than from its Core teams these days, lol
     
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    That coincides with Charlie's claim(at S|A) that Intel's going to converge some of their cores. Also its much easier to improve low power/low end performance than absolute high end where thermals and clock is against a red brick wall.

    I'd like to see a true big core, because Core seems like a medium core nowadays. Ever since they were able to stick the Core chips into a 4.5W power envelope, it stopped being a big core.

    On a side note Intel needs all three decode pipelines(since its based on Goldmont) capable of executing AVX-512 instructions for Knights Hill to be anywhere near competitive with Nvidia by that time. Yes, 3 FMA capable AVX-512 units per Knights Hill core.
     
  24. Roland00Address

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    So I think I understand what you meant by this comment IntelUser2000, I think I understand your intent.

    But let me have fun anyway and ask a question that is not your intent via redirecting the words you used in the quote I just requoted ;):tongueout:

    Currently we have the small Intel Atom Core

    And we have the medium size core i series kabylake which in its lowest tdp version we have a dual core plus graphics in a 4.5w tdp (and I would argue the tdp is even lower since with c TDP down these processors can have a 3.5w tdp core m3 7y30, i5 7y54, i5 7y55, i7 7y75)

    So my question is, while it is not an Intel design core and done by a different team, what would AMD Ryzen / Zen chips be?

    Would that be a medium core, or a high end core which focuses on total performance instead of trying to balance performance per watt / performance per tdp?
     
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    Wondering how strong will be Gemini Lake against the ARM A75
     
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