The hunt for illegals is on.

[Vic]

this thread totally broke Godwins Law.

The whole point of Godwin's law is that the inevitable arguments are typically hyperbolic, based upon assumptions that Hitler and the Nazis acted only (or at least primarily) from malicious intent, and therefore anyone being compared to Hitler and the Nazis are comparably evil. I am attempting to introduce a different idea.
What is the end result, after all, of any ideology that asserts that one particular group of people is more entitled than all other groups, and by any means necessary? Where does that lead to? And was that the result of intentional evil, or maybe something else?

 

[Svnla]

Just get off the coy denials, OK?

Be a man? You're foolish enough to put it in those terms?

Try it yourself. Admit that the mass deportation idea that gets you all chubby will fuck over millions of American Citizen children. Own it.

Last time I check, you make accusations, it is up to you to provide the full and whole quotes to support your accusations.

Still waiting for quotes, my exact words of "hatred" and "children don't matter". I will wait, just as I am still waiting for agent fail troll to provide quotes of his support for whites when they were the victims and qlracer's own words that glarcer were being accused of.

Take your time. When facing with facts and logic and unable to dispute them? Spin baby spin. Tell me something new, eh?

 

[NesuD]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/18/politics/kelly-guidance-on-immigration-and-border-security/index.html

What's next?

Concentration Camps? Auschwitz?

I just got done watching a documentary on the Jews and Germany. Sadly, this is how it begins.

Wow! Hysterical much?

 

[Sea Ray]

I see your point, and it's definitely valid, but I'd like to throw out an idea. What if most of the atrocities committed by the Hitler and the Nazis were more the result of incompetence instead of malice? Just an idea..

I'm not interested in playing hypotheticals regarding 85 yr old history. This has nothing to do with Trump

 

[Jhhnn]

Last time I check, you make accusations, it is up to you to provide the full and whole quotes to support your accusations.

Still waiting for quotes, my exact words of "hatred" and "children don't matter". I will wait, just as I am still waiting for agent fail troll to provide quotes of his support for whites when they were the victims and qlracer's own words that glarcer were being accused of.

Take your time. When facing with facts and logic and unable to dispute them? Spin baby spin. Tell me something new, eh?

Don't just deny & obfuscate, give us that little "I know what I am but what are you?" dance.

Be a Man! Own the obvious consequences of what you advocate. Or just be a chickenshit like you're doing now.

 

[Svnla]

Don't just deny & obfuscate, give us that little "I know what I am but what are you?" dance.

Be a Man! Own the obvious consequences of what you advocate. Or just be a chickenshit like you're doing now.

Still no quote(s) from me that you could post about things I never said? Nothing at all? Color me shock. Not!!! Chickenshit you say?

This is what I am advocating. I am a man, and I am standing tall of what I said. No matter what you and other ILLEGALS supporters throw at me.

We should not mistreat anyone but everyone should follow immigration rules and laws, can't just sneak in here/overstay visas and then scream "why you broke up our families...whaaaaaaa".

Why even bother to have rules and laws if we do not enforce them or let certain group gets away with them years after years?

Oh noooooooooooooo. How dare I demand everyone to follow the rules and laws equally and no exception. Sooooooooooooooooo much hate!!!!! LOL.

 

[Jhhnn]

Still no quote(s) from me that you could post about things I never said? Nothing at all? Color me shock. Not!!! Chickenshit you say?

This is what I am advocating. I am a man, and I am standing tall of what I said. No matter what you and other ILLEGALS supporters throw at me.



Oh noooooooooooooo. How dare I demand everyone to follow the rules and laws equally and no exception. Sooooooooooooooooo much hate!!!!! LOL.

Why can't you just admit that you're willing to fuck over millions of American kids to satisfy your obscene & ridiculous outrage over illegals? You don't get the moral high ground. Hell- it's over the horizon from where you are.

 

[Sea Ray]

The whole point of Godwin's law is that the inevitable arguments are typically hyperbolic, based upon assumptions that Hitler and the Nazis acted only (or at least primarily) from malicious intent, and therefore anyone being compared to Hitler and the Nazis are comparably evil. I am attempting to introduce a different idea.
What is the end result, after all, of any ideology that asserts that one particular group of people is more entitled than all other groups, and by any means necessary? Where does that lead to? And was that the result of intentional evil, or maybe something else?

I got news for you. American citizens are more entitled to the benefits of living in this country than people who are here illegally.

 

[Vic]

I got news for you. American citizens are more entitled to the benefits of living in this country than people who are here illegally.

Ok... but all persons subject to the jurisdiction of the United States government are protected by the Constitution.

 

[Jhhnn]

I got news for you. American citizens are more entitled to the benefits of living in this country than people who are here illegally.

And when those American citizens are children with an illegal parent, what then?

 

[Sea Ray]

Ok... but all persons subject to the jurisdiction of the United States government are protected by the Constitution.

That's true. By the time our gov't issues deportation orders, that person's Constitutional rights have been exercised. I don't know of anyone here that wants to deny them a hearing to state their case for staying here

 

[Sea Ray]

And when those American citizens are children with an illegal parent, what then?

It means that they're vulnerable just like any kid with parents who break the law.

 

[Vic]

That's true. By the time our gov't issues deportation orders, that person's Constitutional rights have been exercised. I don't know of anyone here that wants to deny them a hearing to state their case for staying here

Actually, Trump's immigration EO intends to do exactly that.

 

[Sea Ray]

Actually, Trump's immigration EO intends to do exactly that.

The previous one was not very well written. His next one comes out tomorrow. Let's discuss it at length. I look forward to that

 

[PokerGuy]

It means that they're vulnerable just like any kid with parents who break the law.

Yep. For some reason Jhhnn thinks people should be immune from the law if their children might be negatively impacted by the consequences of their illegal actions. Of course that's not the case for any other children of any other people who do illegal things -- their kids can be (and often are) negatively impacted, but nope, the law must be ignored for illegal residents lest their kids be negatively impacted, because reasons.

I guess that's what happens when you throw out logic and just go with feels to drive decisions

 

[Svnla]

Why can't you just admit that you're willing to fuck over millions of American kids to satisfy your obscene & ridiculous outrage over illegals? You don't get the moral high ground. Hell- it's over the horizon from where you are.

Demanding EVERYONE (zero exception) to follow the rules and laws EQUALLY (again no exception) is not fuck over millions of American kids. No matter what you are trying to spin. Do you understand the old saying "you reap what you sow". Those kids are in those predicaments BECAUSE of their PARENTS ILLEGAL activities, NOT because of me and million and million of US citizens demanding the immigration laws to be enforced as they should be.

Same as demanding everyone to follow other laws. By your logic, if Billy and Bobby are selling meth to make extra money (no weapon or anything big, just small time dealers). Both of them are caught, but Billy has two young kids, he would not be in jail but Bobby would be in jail because he has no kid? LOL @ your "logic". See post #487. What do you have to say about that?


I am still waiting for the quotes of my exact words from all the things you accused me of "hate" and "children don't matter". I am still waiting.

Don't be a lowlife lying bitch troll as agent fail troll. You can do better.

 

[Jhhnn]

Demanding EVERYONE (zero exception) to follow the rules and laws EQUALLY (again no exception) is not fuck over millions of American kids. No matter what you are trying to spin./QUOTE]

.

Quite the contrary. Try some real world scenarios. For example-

An undocumented Guatemalan cement finisher has an American wife & two American kids. Deport him. That's what you want millions of times over, right?

Explain how the kids aren't worse off without him. That & worse is what you propose for those 4.5M kids.

You have to own that to be honest. If you can't then you need to change your tune

 

[Svnla]

Quite the contrary. Try some real world scenarios. For example-

An undocumented Guatemalan cement finisher has an American wife & two American kids. Deport him. That's what you want millions of times over, right?

Explain how the kids aren't worse off without him. That & worse is what you propose for those 4.5M kids.

You have to own that to be honest. If you can't then you need to change your tune.

Gotta love how your guys turn it around and try to blame on us that want the rules/laws to be enforced.

I think you missed it the last time I posted so here it is again.

Do you understand the old saying "you reap what you sow". Those kids are in those predicaments BECAUSE of their PARENTS ILLEGAL activities, NOT because of me and million and million of US citizens demanding the immigration laws to be enforced as they should be.

Also, currently there are million and million of folks around the world are waiting for years and years to get here the LEGAL way so don't even try for a NY minute to tell me being LEGAL is not possible (insert more excuses).

Also, another poster posted this and I agree:

"It means that they're vulnerable just like any kid with parents who break the law."

So those kids with ILLEGAL parents are somehow above the typical American kids with LEGAL parents breaking the law? Explain to me somehow they (kids with LEGAL parents) would be able to overcome but those kids with ILLEGAL parents won't. Are you going to answer it honestly or not?


Very simple to understand. They (ILLEGALS) reap what they sow so stop trying to put the guilt on us.

One more time, still no quotes/words from me that you can find?

 

[Sea Ray]

Quite the contrary. Try some real world scenarios. For example-

An undocumented Guatemalan cement finisher has an American wife & two American kids. Deport him. That's what you want millions of times over, right?

Explain how the kids aren't worse off without him. That & worse is what you propose for those 4.5M kids.

You have to own that to be honest. If you can't then you need to change your tune

Tell the cement finisher not to deal drugs on the side. If he's law abiding then I agree with you, he should not be deported

 

[Jhhnn]

Yep. For some reason Jhhnn thinks people should be immune from the law if their children might be negatively impacted by the consequences of their illegal actions. Of course that's not the case for any other children of any other people who do illegal things -- their kids can be (and often are) negatively impacted, but nope, the law must be ignored for illegal residents lest their kids be negatively impacted, because reasons.

I guess that's what happens when you throw out logic and just go with feels to drive decisions

And the heinous crime for which 4.5M children must suffer collateral damage is just being here & taking care of them, right?

 

[Jhhnn]

Tell the cement finisher not to deal drugs on the side. If he's law abiding then I agree with you, he should not be deported

Thank you.

 

[agent00f]

Sounds like what the progressives are doing. White-guilt and White privilege sound familiar.

White nationalists are the Real victims here.

 

[agent00f]

Why can't you just admit that you're willing to fuck over millions of American kids to satisfy your obscene & ridiculous outrage over illegals? You don't get the moral high ground. Hell- it's over the horizon from where you are.

Hows that reasoning with mental degenerates strategy coming along?

 

[Jhhnn]

Hows that reasoning with mental degenerates strategy coming along?

I'm not trying to bring them to reason. I'm trying to keep them from winning any more fools to their cause.

 

[agent00f]

I'm not trying to bring them to reason. I'm trying to keep them from winning any more fools to their cause.

Seems to me that demonstrating the cost of mental degeneracy works better for this. Even they understand selfish self-interest.