The hunt for illegals is on.

[Svnla]

I'm not trying to bring them to reason. I'm trying to keep them from winning any more fools to their cause.

Our cause? To treat everyone equally under the law is good cause to have.

Still no reply to post 493?

Still no quote from you? Look like we have another copy of agent fail troll tactic (throw around accusations and nothing to back up). Carry on, you are winning YUUUUGEEE.

 

[gplracer]

This is obviously a charged issue and no one has the answer although we all think we know best.

One one hand we have people who knowingly and purposely broke the law when entering the United States. Obviously there should be a consequence for this. You should not get a free pass.

On the other hand what do we do with these people and their families. Do we throw out the law since it would put a hardship on their kids? Do we look at the value they bring to the country in making a decision? Or do we just follow the law and it is what it is. Everytime someone is arrested it puts a hardship on someone in their family. Normally consequences for breaking laws do not consider such things.

It appears to me that one side wants to follow the law. The other side wants to examine the human interest and not follow the law. Then there is a group who only want to agree with Trump and there is a group who only want to disagree with Trump.

 

[Jhhnn]

This is obviously a charged issue and no one has the answer although we all think we know best.

One one hand we have people who knowingly and purposely broke the law when entering the United States. Obviously there should be a consequence for this. You should not get a free pass.

On the other hand what do we do with these people and their families. Do we throw out the law since it would put a hardship on their kids? Do we look at the value they bring to the country in making a decision? Or do we just follow the law and it is what it is. Everytime someone is arrested it puts a hardship on someone in their family. Normally consequences for breaking laws do not consider such things.

It appears to me that one side wants to follow the law. The other side wants to examine the human interest and not follow the law. Then there is a group who only want to agree with Trump and there is a group who only want to disagree with Trump.

The law is a fluid thing. We can change it. We have many times for many reasons. This is no different.

 

[1prophet]

Amazing seeing all the pretend liberals arguing in favor of having a permanent union busting underclass of serfs under the guise of think of the children so they can save a buck like the corporate masters they like to blame for all the ills of the country.

They want 15 dollar an hour burger flippers, unions, living wages, businesses paying their fair share, workers rights etc. but as soon as they have to pay for it in higher prices, they cry think of the children, think of their families,

the reality is they are worried about opening up their wallets and having to pay for all those things they like to preach about, especially our limousine liberal class.

 

[agent00f]

Amazing seeing all the pretend liberals arguing in favor of having a permanent union busting underclass of serfs under the guise of think of the children so they can save a buck like the corporate masters they like to blame for all the ills of the country.

They want 15 dollar an hour burger flippers, unions, living wages, businesses paying their fair share, workers rights etc. but as soon as they have to pay for it in higher prices, they cry think of the children, think of their families,

the reality is they are worried about opening up their wallets and having to pay for all those things they like to preach about, especially our limousine liberal class.

People who foresee something better for various groups are the Real problem. Their counterparts always looking to kick the downtrodden are the Real christians.

This is obviously a charged issue and no one has the answer although we all think we know best.

One one hand we have people who knowingly and purposely broke the law when entering the United States. Obviously there should be a consequence for this. You should not get a free pass.

On the other hand what do we do with these people and their families. Do we throw out the law since it would put a hardship on their kids? Do we look at the value they bring to the country in making a decision? Or do we just follow the law and it is what it is. Everytime someone is arrested it puts a hardship on someone in their family. Normally consequences for breaking laws do not consider such things.

It appears to me that one side wants to follow the law. The other side wants to examine the human interest and not follow the law. Then there is a group who only want to agree with Trump and there is a group who only want to disagree with Trump.

To their credit the GOP establishment was looking to repair relations with latinos for demographic reasons, and were even serious about immigration reform. Regrettably they were usurped by the mexicans are rapists guy who was a lot more popular with all the white nationalists.

 

[Jhhnn]

Amazing seeing all the pretend liberals arguing in favor of having a permanent union busting underclass of serfs under the guise of think of the children so they can save a buck like the corporate masters they like to blame for all the ills of the country.

They want 15 dollar an hour burger flippers, unions, living wages, businesses paying their fair share, workers rights etc. but as soon as they have to pay for it in higher prices, they cry think of the children, think of their families,

the reality is they are worried about opening up their wallets and having to pay for all those things they like to preach about, especially our limousine liberal class.

Hardly. The only reason that illegals are anything like a "union busting underclass" is because they're illegal. If they had green cards they'd probably have to be paid better which fine by me, at least those who have American children to feed.

While you're at it, work up a stiffy for throwing these guys out, too-

http://gazette.com/colorado-springs...rtation-based-on-misdemeanors/article/1589914

 

[Zaap]

Amazing seeing all the pretend liberals arguing in favor of having a permanent union busting underclass of serfs under the guise of think of the children so they can save a buck like the corporate masters they like to blame for all the ills of the country.

They want 15 dollar an hour burger flippers, unions, living wages, businesses paying their fair share, workers rights etc. but as soon as they have to pay for it in higher prices, they cry think of the children, think of their families,

the reality is they are worried about opening up their wallets and having to pay for all those things they like to preach about, especially our limousine liberal class.

Well said, and so true.

The whole argument from the pro-illegal side is bizzare if you really stop and think about it.

They've allowed powerful businesses and corrupt politicians to sell them on the falacy that the country would fall apart without an exploited underclass made to work the fields and to manufacture everything for them.

They whine about $15 wages to flip a burger... but somehow pulling a plant up out of the ground can only be done by someone nearly enslaved and paid next to nothing in an illegal labor racket.

Out of one side of their stupid mouths they'll whine about jobs not paying squat, but then from the other spout the idiotic "Jobs Americans won't do!" garbage, while the corporations that INVENTED that stupid notion laugh their asses off. (WHY would any first world worker accept shit conditions that have been turned into THIRD WORLD conditions for the profit of exploiters, moron?)


They're really exactly the same mindset as southerners who truly believed life for them wasn't possible without slaves toiling the feilds, and many of their crazy, self-serving arguments to keep their illegal labor racket rolling for the fatcats they suck up to are similar, just they use the racism aspect of it in reverse.

(Claiming people are actually racist for wanting to bust up their exploited, illegal labor rackets.)

So in this current version of business exploiting a foreign underclass and selling the dumb public on how that's good for them (you're BETTER than these animals! They are doing things a snowflake like you can't be expected to do!) expoiting an underclass is now a civil rights issue.... IN FAVOR of the continued and permanant exploitation of said underclass!

It's really quite bizzare- how you can at the same time stump for the explotation of people, look the other way for corrupt and cheating businesses that exploit illegal labor, ignore the effects on the homegrown poor that dumping thousands of illegals on their communities brings, parrot bizare excuses to cover the asses of the exploiters, and yet think of yourself as a champion of the downtrodden...

It makes ZERO sense, but there you have it.

 

[agent00f]

Well said, and so true.

The whole argument from the pro-illegal side is bizzare if you really stop and think about it.

They've allowed powerful businesses and corrupt politicians to sell them on the falacy that the country would fall apart without an exploited underclass made to work the fields and to manufacture everything for them.

They whine about $15 wages to flip a burger... but somehow pulling a plant up out of the ground can only be done by someone nearly enslaved and paid next to nothing in an illegal labor racket.

Out of one side of their stupid mouths they'll whine about jobs not paying squat, but then from the other spout the idiotic "Jobs Americans won't do!" garbage, while the corporations that INVENTED that stupid notion laugh their asses off. (WHY would any first world worker accept shit conditions that have been turned into THIRD WORLD conditions for the profit of exploiters, moron?)


They're really exactly the same mindset as southerners who truly believed life for them wasn't possible without slaves toiling the feilds, and many of their crazy, self-serving arguments to keep their illegal labor racket rolling for the fatcats they suck up to are similar, just they use the racism aspect of it in reverse.

(Claiming people are actually racist for wanting to bust up their exploited, illegal labor rackets.)

So in this current version of business exploiting a foreign underclass and selling the dumb public on how that's good for them (you're BETTER than these animals! They are doing things a snowflake like you can't be expected to do!) expoiting an underclass is now a civil rights issue.... IN FAVOR of the continued and permanant exploitation of said underclass!

It's really quite bizzare- how you can at the same time stump for the explotation of people, look the other way for corrupt and cheating businesses that exploit illegal labor, ignore the effects on the homegrown poor that dumping thousands of illegals on their communities brings, parrot bizare excuses to cover the asses of the exploiters, and yet think of yourself as a champion of the downtrodden...

It makes ZERO sense, but there you have it.

Always comical when the people who're perpetually on the wrong side of history with the same ideology keep pretending they're the good guys. I'm sure you guys'll eventually subjugate the right browns and save the day.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well said, and so true.

The whole argument from the pro-illegal side is bizzare if you really stop and think about it.

They've allowed powerful businesses and corrupt politicians to sell them on the falacy that the country would fall apart without an exploited underclass made to work the fields and to manufacture everything for them.

They whine about $15 wages to flip a burger... but somehow pulling a plant up out of the ground can only be done by someone nearly enslaved and paid next to nothing in an illegal labor racket.

Out of one side of their stupid mouths they'll whine about jobs not paying squat, but then from the other spout the idiotic "Jobs Americans won't do!" garbage, while the corporations that INVENTED that stupid notion laugh their asses off. (WHY would any first world worker accept shit conditions that have been turned into THIRD WORLD conditions for the profit of exploiters, moron?)


They're really exactly the same mindset as southerners who truly believed life for them wasn't possible without slaves toiling the feilds, and many of their crazy, self-serving arguments to keep their illegal labor racket rolling for the fatcats they suck up to are similar, just they use the racism aspect of it in reverse.

(Claiming people are actually racist for wanting to bust up their exploited, illegal labor rackets.)

So in this current version of business exploiting a foreign underclass and selling the dumb public on how that's good for them (you're BETTER than these animals! They are doing things a snowflake like you can't be expected to do!) expoiting an underclass is now a civil rights issue.... IN FAVOR of the continued and permanant exploitation of said underclass!

It's really quite bizzare- how you can at the same time stump for the explotation of people, look the other way for corrupt and cheating businesses that exploit illegal labor, ignore the effects on the homegrown poor that dumping thousands of illegals on their communities brings, parrot bizare excuses to cover the asses of the exploiters, and yet think of yourself as a champion of the downtrodden...

It makes ZERO sense, but there you have it.

So, uhh, deporting illegals is good for them, or what? You can't cry crocodile tears for 'em & support mass deportation at the same time.

 

[gplracer]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...igrants/ar-AAnEkiI?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

 

[Zaap]

So, uhh, deporting illegals is good for them, or what? You can't cry crocodile tears for 'em & support mass deportation at the same time.

You're of course one of the biggest dupes.

I've never supported mass deportation you dipshit. Enforce the laws in this country, jail and fine businesses that break it, and there's no need for illegals to be here in the first place.

You're a typical dupe that buys guilt trip bullshit the ruling classes of Mexico runs on this country. Being deported back to the world's 11th largest economy isn't the world's worst fate.

The poor of Mexico are exploited every bit as much by the ruling class of their own country as they are by the labor cheats here. You swallow and parrot the bullshit of both.

The citizens of Mexico will be better off long term and permantly when they work to turn their own corrupt country around and build their huge ecomony into one that benefits them, not just lines the pockets of the ruling class.

People like you cheerleading the exploitation of those people, rather than them staying in Mexico and eventually demanding change, you're just a part of the real core problem.

All your horesshit about "think of the children!" is just the cries of a spoiled first world dipshit afraid the illicit labor you believe props up your shitty life will come to an end. Heaven forbid, you turd, you might have to PAY a little more for a head of lettuce! Or to have a roof repaired! Or pay someone what they are actually worth for gardening or electrical or plumbing or childcare etc. etc.

Your little snowflake world will just come crashing down without illicit labor toiling away in near slave conditions for you.

 

[gplracer]

The republicans and the democrats are responsible for this problem. For years they have not done a good enough job enforcing the border and the laws. Now there are so many illegals here. It did not happen overnight and it will not fixed overnight.

 

[Jhhnn]

You're of course one of the biggest dupes.

I've never supported mass deportation you dipshit. Enforce the laws in this country, jail and fine businesses that break it, and there's no need for illegals to be here in the first place

Either way, you support the ends if not the means. Tell me how that benefits American kids with illegal breadwinners. Tell me how it satisfies any end other than twisted self righteousness.

You're a typical dupe that buys guilt trip bullshit the ruling classes of Mexico runs on this country. Being deported back to the world's 11th largest economy isn't the world's worst fate.

The poor of Mexico are exploited every bit as much by the ruling class of their own country as they are by the labor cheats here. You swallow and parrot the bullshit of both.

The citizens of Mexico will be better off long term and permantly when they work to turn their own corrupt country around and build their huge ecomony into one that benefits them, not just lines the pockets of the ruling class.

People like you cheerleading the exploitation of those people, rather than them staying in Mexico and eventually demanding change, you're just a part of the real core problem.

All your horesshit about "think of the children!" is just the cries of a spoiled first world dipshit afraid the illicit labor you believe props up your shitty life will come to an end. Heaven forbid, you turd, you might have to PAY a little more for a head of lettuce! Or to have a roof repaired! Or pay someone what they are actually worth for gardening or electrical or plumbing or childcare etc. etc.

Your little snowflake world will just come crashing down without illicit labor toiling away in near slave conditions for you.

What part of "Give them a green card" do you fail to understand? I have no problem with elevating the status & the pay of many illegals.

This witch hunt doesn't even have strong support among the Trumpsters-

Most Trump supporters who opposed a path to legal status for those in the U.S. illegally supported a national law enforcement effort to deport all unauthorized immigrants. But that constituted fewer than half (42%) of GOP voters who supported Trump for the nomination.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/08/25/5-facts-about-trump-supporters-views-of-immigration/

That's less than 20% of the people who voted in the election.

 

[gplracer]

I doubt the accuracy of that survey.

 

[Jhhnn]

I doubt the accuracy of that survey.

Feel free. They're among the best in the business. They'd have to be way off to validate the claims of the ravers.

 

[agent00f]

You're of course one of the biggest dupes.

I've never supported mass deportation you dipshit. Enforce the laws in this country, jail and fine businesses that break it, and there's no need for illegals to be here in the first place.

You're a typical dupe that buys guilt trip bullshit the ruling classes of Mexico runs on this country. Being deported back to the world's 11th largest economy isn't the world's worst fate.

The poor of Mexico are exploited every bit as much by the ruling class of their own country as they are by the labor cheats here. You swallow and parrot the bullshit of both.

The citizens of Mexico will be better off long term and permantly when they work to turn their own corrupt country around and build their huge ecomony into one that benefits them, not just lines the pockets of the ruling class.

People like you cheerleading the exploitation of those people, rather than them staying in Mexico and eventually demanding change, you're just a part of the real core problem.

All your horesshit about "think of the children!" is just the cries of a spoiled first world dipshit afraid the illicit labor you believe props up your shitty life will come to an end. Heaven forbid, you turd, you might have to PAY a little more for a head of lettuce! Or to have a roof repaired! Or pay someone what they are actually worth for gardening or electrical or plumbing or childcare etc. etc.

Your little snowflake world will just come crashing down without illicit labor toiling away in near slave conditions for you.

"Jews better off separated from germans who exploit them anyway". Conservatives obliged to do what they can for the master race.

 

[gplracer]

Feel free. They're among the best in the business. They'd have to be way off to validate the claims of the ravers.

I have no doubt they try to remain unbiased and they have good research methods. I just wonder if the group they sampled is a representative population. Different parts of the country are so divided on this issue. Then again maybe it is correct and my area of the country is different from the rest.

 

[Puffnstuff]

The republicans and the democrats are responsible for this problem. For years they have not done a good enough job enforcing the border and the laws. Now there are so many illegals here. It did not happen overnight and it will not fixed overnight.

You're absolutely correct and when Reagan gave them amnesty he should've done something to discourage their continued pouring across our border but didn't. I read a story the other day where a border camera caught how they'd created a door in the fence and opened it at will to allow vehicles to cross over into this country. This is just too much and we need to actually enforce our border to prevent this type of illegal behavior from occurring.

 

[PokerGuy]

And the heinous crime for which 4.5M children must suffer collateral damage is just being here & taking care of them, right?

The penalty for illegal immigration is deportation. Everyone is aware of that. Should the law simply be ignored if someone has kids? For what other illegal activity should we just start ignoring the law if the consequences of illegal activity could harm the kids of the offender? Theft? Tax evasion? Selling drugs? DUI? etc etc Please enlighten us on all the laws you think should be ignored if the offenders have kids. Also, can you clarify exactly when those laws should be ignored? Only for illegal immigrants, or for others as well if they have children?

 

[PokerGuy]

Tell the cement finisher not to deal drugs on the side. If he's law abiding then I agree with you, he should not be deported

By definition, he can't be "law abiding", because he broke the law by entering illegally and continues to break the law by residing here illegally.

 

[PokerGuy]

What part of "Give them a green card" do you fail to understand? I have no problem with elevating the status & the pay of many illegals.

So basically, all anyone has to do is make sure they have a kid here and voila, they get green cards. What kind of incentive do you suppose that creates? Not only do we ignore the law in this scenario because...reasons, but we'll go beyond that and even reward those breaking the law by giving them something extremely valuable (a green card), while those going the legal route have to wait years and spend a fortune trying to achieve the same thing -- if they even can. Yeah, that makes complete sense /s

 

[Sea Ray]

By definition, he can't be "law abiding", because he broke the law by entering illegally and continues to break the law by residing here illegally.

You are correct. If he breaks our law by coming in here illegally then he runs the chance that he'll get deported. Kinda like if I drive 5 mph over the speed limit, I run the chance that I'll get ticketed but I don't think law enforcement should make it a priority to pull over such folks.

 

[PokerGuy]

You are correct. If he breaks our law by coming in here illegally then he runs the chance that he'll get deported. Kinda like if I drive 5 mph over the speed limit, I run the chance that I'll get ticketed but I don't think law enforcement should make it a priority to pull over such folks.

I agree, I don't think it should be their top priority -- lets start with the ones who have demonstrated they can't play nice first, the ones who broke more laws subsequent to entering. I would allocate my resources to target those first. However, if you happen to catch someone here illegally, you shouldn't just ignore the law either. To use the traffic violation analogy, I wouldn't have a cop hiding near a stop sign in the middle of nowhere just to catch someone who might run the sign..... but if the cop happens to be there when someone runs it, then yes, they're going to get a ticket even though it was a stop sign in the middle of nowhere and there was no other traffic around.

Overall you have to figure out where best to use limited resources, and targeting people who haven't committed crimes other than illegally entering and/or residing here isn't the best use of those limited resources IMO.

 

[Sea Ray]

I agree, I don't think it should be their top priority -- lets start with the ones who have demonstrated they can't play nice first, the ones who broke more laws subsequent to entering. I would allocate my resources to target those first. However, if you happen to catch someone here illegally, you shouldn't just ignore the law either. To use the traffic violation analogy, I wouldn't have a cop hiding near a stop sign in the middle of nowhere just to catch someone who might run the sign..... but if the cop happens to be there when someone runs it, then yes, they're going to get a ticket even though it was a stop sign in the middle of nowhere and there was no other traffic around.

Overall you have to figure out where best to use limited resources, and targeting people who haven't committed crimes other than illegally entering and/or residing here isn't the best use of those limited resources IMO.

So true. God knows we have a Constitution and given the scenario you laid out here, the "law abiding" guy who does not have a deportation order will NOT get put on a bus to Mexico that evening. He'll have his hearing scheduled and anything can happen from there. The left will have us believe that such folks are being deported on the spot. That's not accurate and frankly it's dishonest.

If the result of Trump is that he rids our country of a lot of dangerous illegals and a few others then this policy will be a huge success.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I have my wind resistant umbrella at the ready just in case the left's meltdown speeds up so I don't get excessively wet by their hot air blown rhetoric.