The hunt for illegals is on.

[K1052]

Again, very easy. If you have an actual wall, you just open the door and put them on the other side. If Mexico has a problem with it, then they can stop them from coming through in the first place. If the political will to do it isn't there, then there's also the option to just build a lot of big detention centers as needed. That will still be a big deterrent for others when they see that illegally crossing over will likely land you in a detention center for a long time while waiting for proceedings.

This is just an extension of the "because we tell you to" strong arm tactic that Trump tried to use on Nieto with paying for the wall. It didn't work. This won't work either.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Immigrating to this country is a privilege not a right so stop treating it like it is.

 

[Vic]

Immigrating to this country is a privilege not a right so stop treating it like it is.

Straw man much?

 

[agent00f]

I know I have said it many times before, as have many other conservatives: not only am I fine with also going after the purchasers/users of the illegal labor, it is a critical part of any reform effort. As long as major demand for illegal labor exist, there's going to be supply. We need to address both sides, not just try to deter the supply and keep them from coming over illegally. Create stiff penalties for people and businesses that knowingly use illegal labor, and enforce them. Having some business people get marched off into prison for employing illegals will do wonders toward convincing others not to do it.

This must be why the GOP party platform was rather focused on this and that concerning lower status minorities, and why conservatives in all these threads similarly reflect that focus.

Racists gotta racist.

 

[wirelessenabled]

What makes you think the result in the USA today will not be the same as the 1933 result in Germany?

Trump and his minions could give two shits about our Constitution. It is all about power and the asshats in the Republican (so-called) leadership are looking for political advantage without regard for our Country,

 

[agent00f]

What makes you think the result in the USA today will not be the same as the 1933 result in Germany?

Trump and his minions could give two shits about our Constitution. It is all about power and the asshats in the Republican (so-called) leadership are looking for political advantage without regard for our Country,

Because nazis had a fascist platform centered around social domination over some ethnic underclass, and the GOP don't. Oh wait.

 

[raildogg]

What makes you think the result in the USA today will not be the same as the 1933 result in Germany?

Trump and his minions could give two shits about our Constitution. It is all about power and the asshats in the Republican (so-called) leadership are looking for political advantage without regard for our Country,

They have already given the American and Western people the false boogeyman known as the "Islamic terrorist" so now Trump is continuing to strengthen that agenda. Everyday we are told how much to be afraid by our so-called leaders and the media. Everyday we are told how much "other" people want to harm us. Never do they mention the whole story - i.e., the amount of chaos spread by the US intentionally. Never. Why? Because that goes against the agenda.

The goal of the media, including the alt-rght media, is to spread lies and propaganda. This way, the people will support wars against innocent people in the name of "keeping this country safe."

Similar to the times of WW2 Germany, UK, US etc.

 

[Jhhnn]

All I heard from you and ILLEGALS supporters are: think of the children

Stop right there, please, & think about what you're saying. You're saying that 4.5M American citizen children don't matter nearly as much as purifying the nation of the scourge of their illegal immigrant parents. That's just fucked up. There's really no other way to put it.

 

[agent00f]

Stop right there, please, & think about what you're saying. You're saying that 4.5M American citizen children don't matter nearly as much as purifying the nation of the scourge of their illegal immigrant parents. That's just fucked up. There's really no other way to put it.

Given the conservatives here never have anything bad to say about their advocates for brown genocide, you really think they give a shit?

 

[Svnla]

Stop right there, please, & think about what you're saying. You're saying that 4.5M American citizen children don't matter nearly as much as purifying the nation of the scourge of their illegal immigrant parents. That's just fucked up. There's really no other way to put it.

No, you stop right there. This is the 2nd time in this thread alone that you put your own words in my mouth. Where did I say those children don't matter as you claimed? Quote my exact words.

This is what I said in the very beginning of this thread:

We should not mistreat anyone but everyone should follow immigration rules and laws, can't just sneak in here/overstay visas and then scream "why you broke up our families...whaaaaaaa".

Why even bother to have rules and laws if we do not enforce them or let certain group gets away with them years after years?

Then you jumped in and put the word "HATE":

Your hatred for illegals is irrational. According to Pew, 2/3 have been in this country over 10 years, working, contributing & often being bread winners for American citizen children & kids who've been raised American since they were small. Those kids didn't get to pick their parents but many are American Citizens nonetheless. Their welfare should be our primary consideration & deporting their parents sure as Hell won't help them at all.

WTF are you afraid of, anyway? This country has assimilated massive waves of immigrants & added their distinctiveness to our own. Yeh, I borrowed that line from the Borg but we really are like that in a cultural sense. Our converts just embrace us & our great country willingly.

And then I asked you to quote the EXACT words that hate. So far, not a beep from you.

This forum already has agent fail troll as the forum lowlife lying bitch. Don't be a lowlife bitch. Be a man. Say what you mean and mean what you say and back up with facts and logic. Not empty words and unfound accusations.

P.S. If you are going to quote me, at least be honest and quote the whole thing and not just bits and pieces to fit to your narrative and spin. Here is the rest of what I was trying to say: "....them ILLEGALS are beneficial to the US, and more excuses. If they are such beneficial to our economy, would more countries around the world open their doors/borders to have more ILLEGALS, eh? But alas, they would not. Must be because of "racist", "xenophobic", "stupid"? Did I miss any other insults?"

 

[Victorian Gray]

Lügenpost

That's funny because the way the left/progressives are attempting to take over is the same way that Hitler and his gang operated when they took over Germany.

 

[agent00f]

No, you stop right there. This is the 2nd time in this thread alone that you put your own words in my mouth. Where did I say those children don't matter as you claimed? Quote my exact words.

This is what I said in the very beginning of this thread:



Then you jumped in and put the word "HATE":



And then I asked you to quote the EXACT words that hate. So far, not a beep from you.

This forum already has agent fail troll as the forum lowlife lying bitch. Don't be a lowlife bitch. Be a man. Say what you mean and mean what you say and back up with facts and logic. Not empty words and unfound accusations.

P.S. If you are going to quote me, at least be honest and quote the whole thing and not just bits and pieces to fit to your narrative and spin. Here is the rest of what I was trying to say: "....them ILLEGALS are beneficial to the US, and more excuses. If they are such beneficial to our economy, would more countries around the world open their doors/borders to have more ILLEGALS, eh? But alas, they would not. Must be because of "racist", "xenophobic", "stupid"? Did I miss any other insults?"

It sure must be a coincidence that the people who talk of blacks as chimps, the alt-reich klan + sympathizers, and ones always talking shit about them ILLEGALS or other lower status browns all happen to coalesce under the same totally-not-racist/xenophobic or low edu/iq american conservative platform.

 

[Sea Ray]

Man, there's some radical left wing folks around here. I get not liking Trump, Republicans and conservatives but I'm seeing terms like brown genocide, alt-klan sympathizers, Hitler, 1933, fascist...

How do you reason with folks like that?

 

[jmagg]

You don't. The facts of the matter are that most working class Americans dont care about political labels, but care about jobs, inflation, and the welfare of their familys looking forward. These are the people that hired Trump for lack of consideration from both sides of the aisle.

 

[blublub]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/18/politics/kelly-guidance-on-immigration-and-border-security/index.html

What's next?

Concentration Camps? Auschwitz?

I just got done watching a documentary on the Jews and Germany. Sadly, this is how it begins.

Yes, the ppl of USA have to watch out.
Things can go quicker radical than one might think

 

[PokerGuy]

If it actually worked then massive corporate scandals would basically be extinct. Instead corps do all sorts of illegal sh*t and try to stamp out any whistleblowers that show up. Given he bent of the current administration I'm expecting change but going in the other direction.

Back up for a second and look at it logically instead of as a political thing. Does the fact that there is an occasional scandal mean the mechanism doesn't work? Is there some sort of massive wave of corporate non-compliance with regulations and laws taking place? No, there's no evidence of that. Logically, businesses don't risk major problems or even the downfall of their business "just because". Given the choice, they will generally comply with regulations and laws. Do most people pay their taxes? Of course they do, because you're generally not going to risk jail time to avoid paying taxes. Do some people get away with not paying appropriate taxes? Of course some do. That doesn't mean the enforcement mechanism doesn't work. It clearly does. There's simply no denying that an enforcement mechanism exists and would work just fine. The only question is, is there the political will to do it.

 

[K1052]

Is there some sort of massive wave of corporate non-compliance with regulations and laws taking place? No, there's no evidence of that.

VW and Wells Fargo just in very recent memory. Corporate history is replete with people breaking laws and regulations.

 

[brandonbull]

Because nazis had a fascist platform centered around social domination over some ethnic underclass, and the GOP don't. Oh wait.

Sounds like what the progressives are doing. White-guilt and White privilege sound familiar.

 

[Sea Ray]

Illegal immigration went down significantly last month:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/27/illegal-immigration-dropped-27-percent-january/

There's a lot more work to do as it's still quite high but isn't this a good thing?

 

[Jhhnn]

No, you stop right there. This is the 2nd time in this thread alone that you put your own words in my mouth. Where did I say those children don't matter as you claimed? Quote my exact words.

This is what I said in the very beginning of this thread:



Then you jumped in and put the word "HATE":



And then I asked you to quote the EXACT words that hate. So far, not a beep from you.

This forum already has agent fail troll as the forum lowlife lying bitch. Don't be a lowlife bitch. Be a man. Say what you mean and mean what you say and back up with facts and logic. Not empty words and unfound accusations.

P.S. If you are going to quote me, at least be honest and quote the whole thing and not just bits and pieces to fit to your narrative and spin. Here is the rest of what I was trying to say: "....them ILLEGALS are beneficial to the US, and more excuses. If they are such beneficial to our economy, would more countries around the world open their doors/borders to have more ILLEGALS, eh? But alas, they would not. Must be because of "racist", "xenophobic", "stupid"? Did I miss any other insults?"

Just get off the coy denials, OK?

Be a man? You're foolish enough to put it in those terms?

Try it yourself. Admit that the mass deportation idea that gets you all chubby will fuck over millions of American Citizen children. Own it.

 

[Vic]

Man, there's some radical left wing folks around here. I get not liking Trump, Republicans and conservatives but I'm seeing terms like brown genocide, alt-klan sympathizers, Hitler, 1933, fascist...

How do you reason with folks like that?

I see your point, and it's definitely valid, but I'd like to throw out an idea. What if most of the atrocities committed by the Hitler and the Nazis were more the result of incompetence instead of malice? Just an idea..

 

[brandonbull]

I see your point, and it's definitely valid, but I'd like to throw out an idea. What if most of the atrocities committed by the Hitler and the Nazis were more the result of incompetence instead of malice? Just an idea..

By accident they caused the atrocities to millions of people by purposely designing and implementing an entire system to do just that? Are you trying to connect Trump and perceived atrocities to what the Nazis did via incompetence? Trump = incompetence, Nazis = incompetence therefore Trump = Nazis? Transitive property of atrocity equality?

 

[OutHouse]

I see your point, and it's definitely valid, but I'd like to throw out an idea. What if most of the atrocities committed by the Hitler and the Nazis were more the result of incompetence instead of malice? Just an idea..

this thread totally broke Godwins Law.

 

[Vic]

By accident they caused the atrocities to millions of people by purposely designing and implementing an entire system to do just that? Are you trying to connect Trump and perceived atrocities to what the Nazis did via incompetence? Trump = incompetence, Nazis = incompetence therefore Trump = Nazis? Transitive property of atrocity equality?

I didn't say 'by accident,' nor did I connect Trump in the equation.
This morning, I saw this horrific video on Jalopnik where this 24 year old punk lost control of his daddy's Porsche and plowed it into a parked car at 150 mph. Along with himself, the mother and young child in the parked car were killed instantly. Was it malice that caused their deaths, or was it reckless incompetence?

 

[PokerGuy]

VW and Wells Fargo just in very recent memory. Corporate history is replete with people breaking laws and regulations.

So cases of institutions not following regulations are proof regulations and laws don't work? Really? Shall we do away with every law and regulation simply because there is someone somewhere that might violate them? We are talking about companies hiring illegal immigrants to save on labor. Why would any company risk the possibility of huge fines and/or criminal charges just to try and save a little money? Will some do it -- of course some will, just like tax evasion or any other regulation. Some will violate the rules, but the mechanism works because the incentive to violate the rules is much smaller than the disincentives (penalties) for getting caught violating the rules. This is not complicated stuff, it's how all our regulations and rules are enforced.