The hunt for illegals is on.

[Victorian Gray]

The distinction between naturalized & native born is the part you're deliberately avoiding.

Children born in this country are not naturalized citizens.

It might not be avoidance. Could be simple stupidity.

 

[MongGrel]

Just fake news.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Newsweek might think concentration camps are on the horizon.

https://onnewsstandsnow.com/products/newsweek-hitler-the-evolution-of-evil?variant=29008579281

 

[MongGrel]

Newsweek might think concentration camps are on the horizon.

https://onnewsstandsnow.com/products/newsweek-hitler-the-evolution-of-evil?variant=29008579281

I'd think it would be a valid concern atm myself.

If you are not paying attention it's your problem.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I'd think it would be a valid concern atm myself.

If you are not paying attention it's your problem.

Literally Hitler

 

[MongGrel]

Literally Hitler

What's your point ?

Hitler literally did start out the same way as the current administration is operating.

If you think otherwise, you're being obtuse.

And he did not have hydrogen bombs when he rose to power with the same promises Trump has made.

Hitler rose to power on a "Make Germany Great Again" agenda to begin with.

I do not even care if it is cliched, it is just a historical fact.

 

[raildogg]

What's your point ?

Hitler literally did start out the same way as the current administration is operating.

If you think otherwise, you're being obtuse.

And he did not have hydrogen bombs when he rose to power with the same promises Trump has made.

Hitler rose to power on a "Make Germany Great Again" agenda to begin with.

I do not even care if it is cliched, it is just a historical fact.

It's part of the divisive narrative that's been playing out for the past couple of years. It's no coincidence that the rapid rise of the alt-right media happened at the same time that Trump was running for president. The alt-right people exclusively pitched for Trump and gave him their total support (most alt-right media that I've seen). Their agenda was one of anti-Islam, anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, anti-this and anti-this. Trump's agenda is the same - all about division and hatred.

There is a tremendous amount of hate out there. These people are calling for all out war against countries, attacks and violence, etc. Of course, from the comfort of their computers but still. It shows that humans lack any sort of respect or empathy for their fellow man. I mean, why would you support war against complete strangers in another country? Oh right, because your Leader said they're bad.

Look how many people end up supporting wars because their Leader told them so. Countless wars.

Trump is bad news but he is probably part of a greater plan. It seems to revolve around division and putting certain groups of people against other groups. We humans are all too glad to form our little groups and fight each other. We don't want to realize that our fellow man is not the enemy.

 

[raildogg]

We should pay attention to it when the winning platform for the presidency is predicated on scapegoating/targeting lower status minorities. Our country has a pretty illustrative history of this, such as the southern strategy that's the basis of politics post-segregation, or our civil war as result of slavery.

Ignoring the reality of this only plays into people who don't want to take any responsibility for their reliable advocacy for the wrong side of history.

Yes, the winning platform was one of division, hate and disrespect - especially for certain members of society. But it's not limited to one region. People are people and in the end, their fears and hatreds are shared among all in the world - in all parts.

It is a shame that Trump was elected but it shows you that many people like what he says. They want the walls, the war on Islam, etc. But I would say that racism is just a part of that. A good, decent person would not hate, period. Race wouldn't even enter into that since he does not hate, period.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Using fear mongering, hate, disrespect and division to complain about hate, disrespect and division? Makes as much sense as anything coming from the left.

 

[raildogg]

Sorry, I don't participate in the left vs right game.

 

[FelixDeCat]

What's your point ?
If you think otherwise, you're being obtuse.t.

He is not being obtuse, he is being more of an inverse triangle.

 

[Jhhnn]

Using fear mongering, hate, disrespect and division to complain about hate, disrespect and division? Makes as much sense as anything coming from the left.

Nice to see you cop to Trump using fear mongering, hate, disrespect & division.

It'll bring us together for sure.

 

[Svnla]

Great contrast in liberal vs conservative mental acumen when the gravest error you can find is forgetting to change some ordinal reference, as opposed to always behaving like trite trash when representing your ideology.

The gravest error about you is you are a liar and a troll. You accused me of "racist" and then posted bits and pieces to fit into your fault narrative while anyone with 1/2 brain would be able to read my whole posts that I was being critical of certain minority group BECAUSE of their own bad behavior, not because of the color of their skin as you claimed repeatedly. Funny how I posted multiple posts about me supported minorities while you have NONE about supporting whites (when they were the victims) while you were the one that claimed ALL WHITES are the most murderous kind (NO exception).

Then you have the sheer stupidity to claim other posters saying things they never did and when you being confronted, you pulled the usual stunt of you..folded like a lowlife bitch.

Yes, keep telling yourself how smart you are. The empty drum is the loudest one indeed. Keep posting lies and being a troll, just being yourself.

P.S. I am not the only one that says you are a troll. Many other posters say the same thing about you. Just be proud, wear it as a badge of honor.

 

[Svnla]

That's a different argument than "They pay no tax". A more comprehensive way to look at the issue is probably by economic activity which is plausibly in the hundreds of billions just from illegal immigrants. It is hard to deny that their presence isn't massively beneficial to our economy. Pretty much every study done on what would actually happen if somebody like Trump decided to try sending all 11Mish back shows that the economy would take a massive hit and grow much more slowly over the long term. This is not sound policy. Sound policy would be bringing those people into the system in a way that lets us keep track of them, they pay more in taxes, and makes the societal problems more practically addressable.

Still no answer to my question of why no nation on Earth is running and screaming to pick up those ILLEGALS if they are so beneficial? Heck, not even their own countries.

Nothing about why even bother to have immigration rules and laws if we do not enforce them equally to all?

Nothing about which is more beneficial to the US economy..LEGALS with skills, money, knowledge or the ILLEGALS with nothing to offer? Oh, them ILLEGALS work hard, and LEGALS don't?

And on and on. Funny how none of you ILLEGALS supporters are able to answer anything honestly.

Let do another AMNESTY while the last one was an utterly failure. Sound policy indeed.

 

[Jhhnn]

Let do another AMNESTY while the last one was an utterly failure. Sound policy indeed.

It failed how, exactly?

 

[agent00f]

Ivory tower liberal crap. You think you're the smartest one in the room and everyone who doesn't agree with you's an idiot. We had 8 yrs of that kind of thinking from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. See where it got you? Folks were so fed up with that sort of thinking they gave us Trump

I won't disagree that the dummies were so sick of the western enlightenment leaving them behind that they saw fit to drag everyone else down with them. Just like this guy, who we can also all agree is even dumber than you:

The gravest error about you is you are a liar and a troll. You accused me of "racist" and then posted bits and pieces to fit into your fault narrative while anyone with 1/2 brain would be able to read my whole posts that I was being critical of certain minority group BECAUSE of their own bad behavior, not because of the color of their skin as you claimed repeatedly. Funny how I posted multiple posts about me supported minorities while you have NONE about supporting whites (when they were the victims) while you were the one that claimed ALL WHITES are the most murderous kind (NO exception).

Then you have the sheer stupidity to claim other posters saying things they never did and when you being confronted, you pulled the usual stunt of you..folded like a lowlife bitch.

Yes, keep telling yourself how smart you are. The empty drum is the loudest one indeed. Keep posting lies and being a troll, just being yourself.

P.S. I am not the only one that says you are a troll. Many other posters say the same thing about you. Just be proud, wear it as a badge of honor.

It's regrettable that cognitive understanding of anything much has proved too difficult, such as the effect of racism even against the uppity ones, and it might well be your only value in life to demonstrate the consequences of permanent stupidity.

 

[agent00f]

Yes, the winning platform was one of division, hate and disrespect - especially for certain members of society. But it's not limited to one region. People are people and in the end, their fears and hatreds are shared among all in the world - in all parts.

It is a shame that Trump was elected but it shows you that many people like what he says. They want the walls, the war on Islam, etc. But I would say that racism is just a part of that. A good, decent person would not hate, period. Race wouldn't even enter into that since he does not hate, period.

It's largely the same groups of people who've historically resented lower class minorities. They've just become somewhat more concentrated politically since the civil right era when southern racists were lured to the republican party. This racial resentment is evident from every empirical study on the matter, I only need to point to the data, eg: http://www.vox.com/2016/6/2/11833548/donald-trump-support-race-religion-economy

MonGrel is rather correct above that literally Hitler started out much like Trump, a right wing demagogue who sought to deport the Jews. It was only after the political climate and war limited their options that concentration and then extermination were gradually put on the table and of course accepted by regime loyalists. In all fairness to the germans, speaking out against the nazis came with political consequences and it was much easier to go along than risk personal interest. Not too dissimilar to Trump administration's MO, and no great mystery what american conservatives always side with.

 

[Svnla]

It's regrettable that cognitive understanding of anything much has proved too difficult, such as the effect of racism even against the uppity ones, and it might well be your only value in life to demonstrate the consequences of permanent stupidity.

Post links about you in support of whites when then were the victims.

Post links about glracer's post that you accused him of.

Put up or shut up.

Dear the readers, look how this lying troll will weasel out and fold like a lowlife bitch, again as usual. Talk about sheer stupidity, unable to follow simple instruction.

 

[Svnla]

It failed how, exactly?

You answer my questions first and then I will answer yours. Fair is fair.

 

[agent00f]

Post links about you in support of whites when then were the victims.

Post links about glracer's post that you accused him of.

Put up or shut up.

Dear the readers, look how this lying troll will weasel out and fold like a lowlife bitch, again as usual. Talk about sheer stupidity, unable to follow simple instruction.

I'm sure that you somehow believe this makes you look less retarded.

 

[Svnla]

I'm sure that you somehow believe this makes you look less retarded.

Just as I said, unable to do it. Folded like a lowlife bitch. Thank you for proving me correctly.

Keep whining and pulling the racist card, lowife bitch. That's your motto, that's all you are capable of.

 

[agent00f]

Just as I said, unable to do it. Folded like a lowlife bitch. Thank you for proving me correctly.

Keep whining and pulling the racist card, lowife bitch. That's your motto, that's all you are capable of.

Even the conservatives can tell you make them look like blustering morons.

 

[K1052]

Still no answer to my question of why no nation on Earth is running and screaming to pick up those ILLEGALS if they are so beneficial? Heck, not even their own countries.

Nothing about why even bother to have immigration rules and laws if we do not enforce them equally to all?

Nothing about which is more beneficial to the US economy..LEGALS with skills, money, knowledge or the ILLEGALS with nothing to offer? Oh, them ILLEGALS work hard, and LEGALS don't?

And on and on. Funny how none of you ILLEGALS supporters are able to answer anything honestly.

Let do another AMNESTY while the last one was an utterly failure. Sound policy indeed.

Your question is mostly non-sensical. The economic consequences of what has been proposed are pretty clear and rather stark. The US, including many many conservatives, have benefited handsomely from utilizing illegal labor but we seem intent on simply punishing the providers of that labor not the purchasers. To me this is a significant injustice and undermines any argument about "you don't want to enforce immigration laws" or the like.

 

[Jhhnn]

You answer my questions first and then I will answer yours. Fair is fair.

I apologize if I've missed a question you asked of me. Please repeat.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Sorry, I don't participate in the left vs right game.

You just don't admit it, but ok.