The high school I start teaching at on Wed has no Scantron machine!

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: oboeguy

You're pathetically ignorant and obviously clueless. Your generalizations show this quite clearly.

Three months vacation for teachers is a myth. Do you know what a lot of (most?) teachers do during their "vacation"? Take other jobs and / or teach summer school. Plus at least in NYC it's only nominally two months in the first place.

so it's three months for some and two months for others. How is he ignorant and clueless? You are being redundant btw. What the teacher chooses to do on their 'vacation' doesn't change that fact. I think being a teacher is a easy job for the most part. You aren't going to have the cakewalk doing elementary/middle and high school. Get up the chain as a major college professor out of the '101' type classes and it gets easier (but at that point you will be usually reaching out other avenues in research or the like).

Originally posted by: oboeguy
Also stating that "schools bad ==> teachers bad" while at the same time bashing teachers for complaining about a lack of resources is completely idiotic. Look for some change between your couch pillows and buy yourself a clue, kid.

If you don't like your long hours and lack of vacation time, get another job, genius.

(that felt good 😀)

it may have felt good but I am not sure what the point was.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: oboeguy
Do you know what a lot of (most?) teachers do during their "vacation"? Take other jobs and / or teach summer school. Plus at least in NYC it's only nominally two months in the first place.

Why would anyone NOT take another job? My wife would get bored sitting on her ass at home all summer. Her 3-day-a-week summer job paid for most of our discretionary spending on vacations and fun stuff this summer. Teachers don't always work summers out of necessity, they do it because you get bored doing nothing for 2 months, and extra money is extra money.

 

[oboeguy]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

so it's three months for some and two months for others. How is he ignorant and clueless? You are being redundant btw. What the teacher chooses to do on their 'vacation' doesn't change that fact. I think being a teacher is a easy job for the most part. You aren't going to have the cakewalk doing elementary/middle and high school. Get up the chain as a major college professor out of the '101' type classes and it gets easier (but at that point you will be usually reaching out other avenues in research or the like).

And one month for others still. Anyhow, what a teacher chooses to do during that time is relevant, because the dummy stated that he works 51 weeks out of the year.

Ignorant and cluelessa are different, BTW. To be clueless implies and additional lack of understanding aside from merely not knowing facts.

it may have felt good but I am not sure what the point was.

The point is that the dummy is spouting total nonsense and needs to be rebuked. His statements are akin to saying that children that go hungry around the world at the fault of the farmers not growing enough food.

 

[oboeguy]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: oboeguy
Do you know what a lot of (most?) teachers do during their "vacation"? Take other jobs and / or teach summer school. Plus at least in NYC it's only nominally two months in the first place.

Why would anyone NOT take another job? My wife would get bored sitting on her ass at home all summer. Her 3-day-a-week summer job paid for most of our discretionary spending on vacations and fun stuff this summer. Teachers don't always work summers out of necessity, they do it because you get bored doing nothing for 2 months, and extra money is extra money.

Why not get another job? To go party like the teacher bashers seem to think they do. :roll:

 

[Train]

get hot cheerleaders to stay after class and grade the tests for you.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: oboeguy

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: oboeguy
Do you know what a lot of (most?) teachers do during their "vacation"? Take other jobs and / or teach summer school. Plus at least in NYC it's only nominally two months in the first place.

Why would anyone NOT take another job? My wife would get bored sitting on her ass at home all summer. Her 3-day-a-week summer job paid for most of our discretionary spending on vacations and fun stuff this summer. Teachers don't always work summers out of necessity, they do it because you get bored doing nothing for 2 months, and extra money is extra money.

Why not get another job? To go party like the teacher bashers seem to think they do. :roll:

I'm not shedding any tears for my wife, and thankfully she's not either. She knows how good she has it.

 

[oboeguy]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: oboeguy

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: oboeguy
Do you know what a lot of (most?) teachers do during their "vacation"? Take other jobs and / or teach summer school. Plus at least in NYC it's only nominally two months in the first place.

Why would anyone NOT take another job? My wife would get bored sitting on her ass at home all summer. Her 3-day-a-week summer job paid for most of our discretionary spending on vacations and fun stuff this summer. Teachers don't always work summers out of necessity, they do it because you get bored doing nothing for 2 months, and extra money is extra money.

Why not get another job? To go party like the teacher bashers seem to think they do. :roll:

I'm not shedding any tears for my wife, and thankfully she's not either. She knows how good she has it.

I'd like to see you after she teaches in the South Bronx... for a day. You'll cry, I promise. Our country is sucking compared to others in partly due to failing schools in poor areas. Guess which teachers get paid the least and work the most hours? Maybe your wife does teach poor kids in a crappy area, leaves at exactly 3pm and comes home fresh faced and happy every day. If she does, dang dude, gimme what she's smoking, I could use some of that. 😉

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: oboeguy
I'd like to see you after she teaches in the South Bronx... for a day. You'll cry, I promise.

My wife teaches at a private alternative school where they send the kids from the area public schools after they get kicked out. I think she could handle it.

Maybe your wife does teach poor kids in a crappy area, leaves at exactly 3pm and comes home fresh faced and happy every day. If she does, dang dude, gimme what she's smoking, I could use some of that. 😉

I don't know anyone who comes home from any job "fresh faced and happy" every day. I don't know why anyone would even have such an expectation. She has good days and awful days, just like everyone I know working in any field. Overall, she's got it pretty good, along with most teachers.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

so it's three months for some and two months for others. How is he ignorant and clueless? You are being redundant btw. What the teacher chooses to do on their 'vacation' doesn't change that fact. I think being a teacher is a easy job for the most part. You aren't going to have the cakewalk doing elementary/middle and high school. Get up the chain as a major college professor out of the '101' type classes and it gets easier (but at that point you will be usually reaching out other avenues in research or the like).

Yes, being a college professor is an easier 'teaching' job, but like you said, other things come with it. Being a high school/elementary school teacher is NOT an easy job, not at all. Not everyone can go in front of 20 snot-nosed brats every day and confidently, smoothly present the material, all the while knowing no matter how good or 'cool' a teacher you are, they will be ripping on you behind your back constantly, not to mention parents calling and whining about EVERYTHING, not to mention that if students do bad its always YOUR fault, etc.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: alkemyst

so it's three months for some and two months for others. How is he ignorant and clueless? You are being redundant btw. What the teacher chooses to do on their 'vacation' doesn't change that fact. I think being a teacher is a easy job for the most part. You aren't going to have the cakewalk doing elementary/middle and high school. Get up the chain as a major college professor out of the '101' type classes and it gets easier (but at that point you will be usually reaching out other avenues in research or the like).

Yes, being a college professor is an easier 'teaching' job, but like you said, other things come with it. Being a high school/elementary school teacher is NOT an easy job, not at all. Not everyone can go in front of 20 snot-nosed brats every day and confidently, smoothly present the material, all the while knowing no matter how good or 'cool' a teacher you are, they will be ripping on you behind your back constantly, not to mention parents calling and whining about EVERYTHING, not to mention that if students do bad its always YOUR fault, etc.

Exactly....also all that being said many 'teachers' cannot ever become full professors. Like any profession. Also that said some do choose to teach in a certain grade area for pleasure despite lower pay and pressures.

To those saying teachers are just working to prevent boredom are ignoring it's really the money they need. Call it what you will, most if finances provided would not have to work and would not have to be bored either.

 

[everman]

Just make them put the answers on a seperate answer sheet, that will speed it up.

 

[Adul]

Originally posted by: TheChort
During the orientation staff meeting I ask the principal "Is it true that we don't have a scantron machine?" And all he says is "That's right, we don't," and then he just looks at me.
So I look around the room at all the other teachers and propose "Doesn't anyone need a Scantron Machine?" and they all look at me with blank stares and "huh?" written across their forehead.

Let's see if I can't persuade the administration to fork over the money to buy one in the next couple months.
Considering all my Bio and EnvSci tests are gonna be multiple choice, I could really use this contraption.

[rant on]...to be concluded with purchase of scantron machine

you could easily take a normal sheet of peope with the bubbles on it, and hole punch out the answers.
place it over text with filled in bubles and mark in red the ones not marked properly.

its what my biology teacher use to do. Even though we had a scantron machine

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: deftron
I always loved lazy teachers that gave generic
scantron tests that tested your level of memorization or luck moreso than your
level of comprehension...


How about trying to actually teach and maybe
assigning an essay or something ?

MF :werd:

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: deftron
I always loved lazy teachers that gave generic
scantron tests that tested your level of memorization or luck moreso than your
level of comprehension...


How about trying to actually teach and maybe
assigning an essay or something ?

MF :werd:

Teaching and testing are mutually exclusive.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Dont be lazy, just grade the damn tests

 

[venk]

Scantrons are VERY easy to cheat on in HS

1)Get answer wrong
2)Get test back
3)Fill in correct answer and partially erase wrong answer
4)Complain it was a scantron error
5)Profit

It may not turn a D into an A, but it is a good way to squeeze a few extra points out of a test.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Another simple solution is to punch out the holes on an answer sheet version of the scantron. Lay it on top of the answers students turned in and if you don't see the bubble(s) filled, mark it with a red pen.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: venk
Scantrons are VERY easy to cheat on in HS

1)Get answer wrong
2)Get test back
3)Fill in correct answer and partially erase wrong answer
4)Complain it was a scantron error
5)Profit

It may not turn a D into an A, but it is a good way to squeeze a few extra points out of a test.

And some teachers won' allow you to contest the grade for that very reason. What did I do with those teachers? Bubbled in whatever, and then hit the "KEY" bubble. Yours = instantly all right, everyone after yours = graded with yours as the standard (so try to hand it in either first or last)

Edit: Oh, I never actually did this. Nononono, I wouldn't cheat. I'm too morally upstanding for that.

 

[ShadowBlade]

i fscking hate scantron

 

[oogabooga]

Just to add : it's a bio ap class and you wont do essays? it's been awhile, but i think that may be a disservice as there will be an essay portion on the test.

In my class every test was half MC, half Essay. We had the scantron stuff, but usually just went by hand, and the essay of course wasn't scantron.

 

[TheChort]

Originally posted by: oogabooga
Just to add : it's a bio ap class and you wont do essays? it's been awhile, but i think that may be a disservice as there will be an essay portion on the test.

In my class every test was half MC, half Essay. We had the scantron stuff, but usually just went by hand, and the essay of course wasn't scantron.

You're right, and I shouldn't have made myself sound so hell-bent on MC for all my exams.

Here's the deal:
the AP test is weighed 60% MC and 40% essay. Generally the MC questions are the trickier ones, and more detail oriented. Therefore, I want to focus more effort on preparing good MC exams. The essay is also something I will frequently have in exams, but I feel once they know the material well, they will be able to write knowledgable essays too. And personally, I am more comfortable testing their knowledge via MC exams than essays (personal preference).

Hope i didn't leave anything out 😉

 

[2cpuminimum]

Originally posted by: venk
Scantrons are VERY easy to cheat on in HS

1)Get answer wrong
2)Get test back
3)Fill in correct answer and partially erase wrong answer
4)Complain it was a scantron error
5)Profit

It may not turn a D into an A, but it is a good way to squeeze a few extra points out of a test.

This is why teachers photocopy scantron forms of kids who have a suspected history of cheating.

The advantage of scantron is that it lets you measure a broad range of material, albiet to a very shallow depth. Essays by contrast let you measure a very narrow range of material to great depth. To properly assess students you need both. Really there is never enough time to cover anything in great depth in high school anyways, so scantron is a highly appropriate style of assessment for that context.

 

[nemesismk2]

what is a scantron machine?

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: TheChort
During the orientation staff meeting I ask the principal "Is it true that we don't have a scantron machine?" And all he says is "That's right, we don't," and then he just looks at me.
So I look around the room at all the other teachers and propose "Doesn't anyone need a Scantron Machine?" and they all look at me with blank stares and "huh?" written across their forehead.

Let's see if I can't persuade the administration to fork over the money to buy one in the next couple months.
Considering all my Bio and EnvSci tests are gonna be multiple choice, I could really use this contraption.

[rant on]...to be concluded with purchase of scantron machine

You can get a cheap one for yourself on ebay or some place like that and grade at home.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: 2cpuminimum

Originally posted by: venk
Scantrons are VERY easy to cheat on in HS

1)Get answer wrong
2)Get test back
3)Fill in correct answer and partially erase wrong answer
4)Complain it was a scantron error
5)Profit

It may not turn a D into an A, but it is a good way to squeeze a few extra points out of a test.

This is why teachers photocopy scantron forms of kids who have a suspected history of cheating.

The advantage of scantron is that it lets you measure a broad range of material, albiet to a very shallow depth. Essays by contrast let you measure a very narrow range of material to great depth. To properly assess students you need both. Really there is never enough time to cover anything in great depth in high school anyways, so scantron is a highly appropriate style of assessment for that context.

That really depends on how the instructor words the questions. I have taken a few classes where MC tests grilled me harder than an essay test.