The GTX 780, 770, 760 ti Thread *First review leaked $700+?*

[tviceman]

Wow, that's it? 18 months later and this card at stock isn't even faster than my 7970. Yikes. Bring on 20nm, this is pathetic.

Yeah pretty disappointing that Nvidia's top card has 20% of it's shaders fused off and only manages outperforms AMD's best by over 20%.

 

[Saylick]

Yeah pretty disappointing that Nvidia's top card has 20% of it's shaders fused off and only manages outperforms AMD's best by over 20%.

GK110 is a much larger chip, so no surprises there.
Imagine if AMD took a 7870 and scaled the chip up to the same size as GK110...

 

[omeds]

Yeah imagine. That's all you can do.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Yeah imagine. That's all you can do.

haha

Unless AMD figures something out, 20nm is going to be twice as bad, just like 28nm was twice as bad as 40nm.

 

[Saylick]

Yeah imagine. That's all you can do.

Which is unfortunate since the price on high-end graphics cards keeps getting jacked up with each passing generation. But hey, if people are willing to pay the price, then so be it.

 

[parvadomus]

haha

Unless AMD figures something out, 20nm is going to be twice as bad, just like 28nm was twice as bad as 40nm.

Twice as bad for what? AMD has to aim to bigger dies, as arch wise its on par or better than nv atm. They need to go for a 400-450mm2 die next time.

 

[f1sherman]

haha

Unless AMD figures something out, 20nm is going to be twice as bad, just like 28nm was twice as bad as 40nm.

bah... you can't imagine 500+mm2 AMD chip!

shame on you

 

[MrK6]

Yeah pretty disappointing that Nvidia's top card has 20% of it's shaders fused off and only manages outperforms AMD's best by over 20%.

I'd give advice about not looking like a yipping fanboy jumping to defend nvidia at any chance, but it'd be lost. Concentrate through the rage and try to appreciate the comment for what it states - it's been 18 months since the first 28nm card dropped and the newest release can't even handily outperform it. That, and it looks to cost $150 more ($699 vs. $549).

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Twice as bad for what? AMD has to aim to bigger dies, as arch wise its on par or better than nv atm. They need to go for a 400-450mm2 die next time.

Performance.

AMD gave up about 15% on 40nm, 30% on 28nm, you can image how quickly this can get really bad.

AMD isn't even close to Nvidia at the top end, GHz is 30-45% slower than Titan while using the same amount of power.

 

[MrK6]

And some people continue to be upset over getting caught in their lies and spreading misinformation about how awesome GTX 470 SLI was. Only to later be called on it and stop posting, and then later to sell it and buy a 7950, and then later to try to downplay bitcoin mining only to get into that too. I guess being a lying, hypocritical, whining loser makes you a real balla.

 

[f1sherman]

I'd be all for booing Nvidia's price jacking if SOMEONE could reasonably well articulate it.

But 90% of you are in love with capitalism/free market/Reagan/Clinton, economy free of (small ofc.) govt. interventions and every-man-for-himself society.

Listening you while you cry about Titan/780 prices, or watching you piss in your own hat - it's pretty much the same

 

[Elfear]

Performance.

AMD gave up about 15% on 40nm, 30% on 28nm, you can image how quickly this can get really bad.

AMD isn't even close to Nvidia at the top end, GHz is 30-45% slower than Titan while using the same amount of power.

Wait, is it 30% or 30-45%?

It is disappointing that AMD hasn't released anything since the Ghz but it's not much different than 40nm performance wise. Titan was released over a year after the 7970 just like the GTX 580 was released over a year after the 5870. The performance difference is almost exactly the same too.

Titan at release

GTX 580 at release

 

[BallaTheFeared]

And some people continue to be upset over getting caught in their lies and spreading misinformation about how awesome GTX 470 SLI was. Only to later be called on it and stop posting, and then later to sell it and buy a 7950, and then later to try to downplay bitcoin mining only to get into that too. I guess being a lying, hypocritical, whining loser makes you a real balla.

3% of that was factual.

Wait, is it 30% or 30-45%?

It depends on the resolution and settings.

That's of course on average, if you need anymore clarifying let me know.

 

[parvadomus]

Performance.

AMD gave up about 15% on 40nm, 30% on 28nm, you can image how quickly this can get really bad.

AMD isn't even close to Nvidia at the top end, GHz is 30-45% slower than Titan while using the same amount of power.

I know. If you compare a 365mm2 die to a 560mm2 one, chances are that the bigger one will be faster. And about power consumption, I can give you 2 hints: core speed + process maturity.

 

[Elfear]

3% of that was factual.



It depends on the resolution and settings.

That's of course on average, if you need anymore clarifying let me know.

If 30% is an average, how can your range go from 30-45%? You're kind of just making stuff up now.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I know. If you compare a 365mm2 die to a 560mm2 one, chances are that the bigger one will be faster. And about power consumption, I can give you 2 hints: core speed + process maturity.

True enough, but Titan is also a cut down workstation card. It has one full SMX disabled out of the gate as well as several features that were cut out of it.

Tahiti as far as I know has nothing cut or disabled.

AMD is using 100% of their die size (afaik) while Titan is obviously using less, how much less I personally have no idea.

 

[tviceman]

I'd give advice about not looking like a yipping fanboy jumping to defend nvidia at any chance, but it'd be lost. Concentrate through the rage and try to appreciate the comment for what it states - it's been 18 months since the first 28nm card dropped and the newest release can't even handily outperform it. That, and it looks to cost $150 more ($699 vs. $549).

Don't you get tired of all your relentless AMD cheerleading in every single Nvidia thread?.... Obviously not your post history is ironically spent in 90% of these very threads. Keep preaching it hard AMD zionist! The koolaid is strong with you!

 

[Saylick]

True enough, but Titan is also a cut down workstation card. It has one full SMX disabled out of the gate as well as several features that were cut out of it.

Tahiti as far as I know has nothing cut or disabled.

AMD is using 100% of their die size (afaik) while Titan is obviously using less, how much less I personally have no idea.

Assuming GK110 is 550 mm^2, then by using die shots, I estimate each SMX weighing in at ~4% of the total die area.

 

[Shmee]

cool it with the personal attacks guys, infractions may be incoming next.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

How much for the disabled transistors that do things like dynamic parallelism?

 

[RussianSensation]

Wow, that's it? 18 months later and this card at stock isn't even faster than my 7970. Yikes. Bring on 20nm, this is pathetic.

I think it depends on the price. If it's $549, then 20% faster than HD7970GE is good since that's without needing water cooling. An air cooled HD7970GE won't overclock to your card's level. If it's 20% faster and priced at $699, then that would very disappointing as HD7970GEs are going for $410-450 with 4 free games.

Computing performance looks significantly worse than the Titan.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

One would hope with the cut DP (assumed) and half the vram it will be priced reasonably (lol @ $500-$550 being reasonable). Though Nvidia wouldn't shock me if it was closer to $700 than $500.

Why are you comparing it to GHz though RS, why not 780 vs Titan in OpenCL?

 

[Saylick]

How much for the disabled transistors that do things like dynamic parallelism?

I have no idea. My background isn't in electrical engineering. That stuff may be built in to the SMX or it may be part of the non-execution portion of the chip, in particular the dark purple area. But if I were to take a stab, I would guess that the logic concerning dynamic parallelism isn't disabled at all. If they are, based on the fact that a whole SMX takes up ~4% of the area, I figure if you were to take out the chunk that's responsible for providing the resources for that 1 disabled SMX, it would take out another 1% at most. Of course, take this with a huge grain of salt.

 

[RussianSensation]

More pics of the GTX780:
http://videocardz.com/41692/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-pictured-up-close-gallery

 

[tviceman]

I think it depends on the price. If it's $549, then 20% faster than HD7970GE is good since that's without needing water cooling. An air cooled HD7970GE won't overclock to your card's level. If it's 20% faster and priced at $699, then that would very disappointing as HD7970GEs are going for $410-450 with 4 free games.

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