The GTX 780, 770, 760 ti Thread *First review leaked $700+?*

[Face2Face]

I wonder if AMD has drivers waiting in the wings to counter the gtx 700 series release. Maybe GCN has some extra umph in her?


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[hyrule4927]

I wonder if AMD has drivers waiting in the wings to counter the gtx 700 series release. Maybe GCN has some extra umph in her?


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Well, there is that memory management rewrite that is supposedly on the way. Might give a nice performance boost?

 

[Fx1]

Lets hope AMD drops prices in response and i can get another 7970 for £200 and run CF! Epic performance for tiny money.

 

[toyota]

Lets hope AMD drops prices in response and i can get another 7970 for £200 and run CF! Epic performance for tiny money.

might want to wait until they fix the crossfire issues unless you also want epic framerate latency and micro-stuttering.

 

[Fx1]

might want to wait until they fix the crossfire issues unless you also want epic framerate latency and micro-stuttering.

I use Vsync with 59 FPS cap so i shouldnt have any issues.

Also that driver is out in June.

 

[3DVagabond]

might want to wait until they fix the crossfire issues unless you also want epic framerate latency and micro-stuttering.

I'm not sure if you've checked some current reviews. Things seem to have gotten better lately.

[H] Titan vs. 7990 review compares Titan, 7990, 680SLI, and 7970GHz crossfire. They make no mention of crossfire being problematic and said the 7970GHz crossfire gave the best gaming experience.

Guru3D reviewed Metro LL and looking at the "Frametime Performance" it seems that the only issues experienced they chalked up to the game.

I'm not ready to pronounce crossfire as equal to SLI yet. We need more testing over a wider range of games, but I also don't think it's as "broken" as some would lead us to believe. It certainly doesn't seem to deserve the title of epic frame latency and micro-stuttering.

 

[ICDP]

The 7970GE is NOT $400. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...0GHz%20Edition

Cheapest before any rebate is $450. Cheapest with rebate is $420

Cheapest GTX680 is $430. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ce%20GTX%20680

People, QUIT SPREADING FUD to make your posts look better. It just makes you look stupid.

Sorry, it's not FUD, it was a simple mistake because only a few weeks ago GHz 7970s were ~$400-$410. The 7970 GE is simply an overclocked 7970 and the 7970 can be bought for $360.

This doesn't change that the main part of my post was to ask you to provide evidence for your claims that the GTX780 rumours show it to be ~20% faster than a 7970GE. All the evidence I have seen points to it being ~20% faster than GTX680. Can you link to the rumours that show GTX780 to be on average 20% faster than 7970 @ GE speeds please?

Titan is ~30 faster than HD 7970 @ GHz speeds, so GTX780 20% faster than 7970GE would make it only 10% slower than Titan. That would be bad because no way in hell it would be $500-$550 given how seriously close to Titan it would be.

 

[tviceman]

Sorry, it's not FUD, it was a simple mistake because only a few weeks ago GHz 7970s were ~$400-$410. The 7970 GE is simply an overclocked 7970 and the 7970 can be bought for $360.

Oh neat I've seen gtx680's go for $399 from time to time. So it's fud on one side of the coin or the other to say 7970GE's are $400 and GTX680's are $450.

This doesn't change that the main part of my post was to ask you to provide evidence for your claims that the GTX780 rumours show it to be ~20% faster than a 7970GE. All the evidence I have seen points to it being ~20% faster than GTX680. Can you link to the rumours that show GTX780 to be on average 20% faster than 7970 @ GE speeds please?

You want me to provide a rumor or evidence? I can't provide evidence of ANYTHING and neither can you. I can provide a rumor. http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/31429-nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-detailed

the GTX 780 should end up anywhere between 25 and 50 percent faster than the HD 7970 GHz Edition

There you go. Rumor provided. We are now on equal footing.

Titan is ~30 faster than HD 7970 @ GHz speeds

Are you qualifying a resolution and then rounding down to make your argument look as good as possible? 28 reviews showing 33% at 2560x1440, 45% faster at mutlimonitor

 

[amenx]

Seems guru3d also included the 780 in the metro last light bench tests:

 

[sontin]

Ha, so they are leaking the metro numbers?! :hmm:

Funny they updated the graphs with the GTX780.
But nice number. Titan is 15% faster than the GTX780.

 

[willomz]

GTX 780 announced

http://www.eteknix.com/nvidia-announces-the-geforce-gtx-780-at-geforce-e-sports/

 

[tviceman]

Sorry, it's not FUD, it was a simple mistake because only a few weeks ago GHz 7970s were ~$400-$410. The 7970 GE is simply an overclocked 7970 and the 7970 can be bought for $360.

This doesn't change that the main part of my post was to ask you to provide evidence for your claims that the GTX780 rumours show it to be ~20% faster than a 7970GE. All the evidence I have seen points to it being ~20% faster than GTX680. Can you link to the rumours that show GTX780 to be on average 20% faster than 7970 @ GE speeds please?

Titan is ~30 faster than HD 7970 @ GHz speeds, so GTX780 20% faster than 7970GE would make it only 10% slower than Titan. That would be bad because no way in hell it would be $500-$550 given how seriously close to Titan it would be.

Seems guru3d also included the 780 in the metro last light bench tests:

23% faster ICDP.

 

[parvadomus]

LOL guru3d removed the GTX780 from the chart.. now we know its 20% faster than 680. Probably around 15% faster than 7970GE.
Damn I think this are our last 28nm gpu.. with that difference in perf, AMD wont do a fucking refresh.

 

[willomz]

Why do you want AMD to do a refresh? I'd rather they just got on with 20nm.

 

[MrK6]

LOL guru3d removed the GTX780 from the chart.. now we know its 20% faster than 680. Probably around 15% faster than 7970GE.
Damn I think this are our last 28nm gpu.. with that difference in perf, AMD wont do a fucking refresh.

Wow, that's it? 18 months later and this card at stock isn't even faster than my 7970. Yikes. Bring on 20nm, this is pathetic.

 

[ICDP]

23% faster ICDP.

It's also only 23% faster than a GTX680 in MLL, or did you miss that? A HD 7970GE matches a GTX680 in a TWMTBP game but we know the GTX680 on average ~8-10% slower overall. We need to see far more benches to get a good idea of how fast GTX780 is before we proclaim accurate percentages. You need to grow up, I asked where you got the 20% figure because I was genuinely interested and hopeful that it is true. Instead all you are interested in is petty points scoring on an internet forum.

For reference I said Titan was ~30% faster.

~ means approximation. But hey whatever, you win yet another petty argument that wasn't an argument. It seems a person can't even ask you a genuine question without it degrading onto a petty point scoring match. Way to drag the thread down to the usual level.

 

[tential]

Lets hope AMD drops prices in response and i can get another 7970 for £200 and run CF! Epic performance for tiny money.

Exactly what I'm waiting for before I build a new rig. Considering my guess is that nvidia will charge a premium on these cars, while AMD is planning a refresh/rebrand (right?) later this year, I'm guessing AMD can lower the price.

Only thing that has me worried is that the new xbox is coming out an since I'm mainly wanting a rig for single player 1080p games, and the new xbox should do that easily, kind of just thinking I might as well wait for it. But, PC gaming has mods... decisions decisions....

 

[chimaxi83]

LOL guru3d removed the GTX780 from the chart.. now we know its 20% faster than 680. Probably around 15% faster than 7970GE.
Damn I think this are our last 28nm gpu.. with that difference in perf, AMD wont do a fucking refresh.

Yep, AMD really has no need to, I don't think. Let Nvidia gouge more of their half brain loyalists, they'll buy up anything Nvidia offers (and really, there's nothing wrong with that).

~ means approximation. But hey whatever, you win yet another petty argument that wasn't an argument. It seems a person can't even ask you a genuine question without it degrading onto a petty point scoring match. Way to drag the thread down to the usual level.

You really shouldn't be surprised. Nvidia, its actions, its performance increases, its financial portfolio and stock prices, will be defended at all costs.

 

[FalseChristian]

Looks like I'll be keeping my 2 GTX 460 1GB for another coupla years until the GTX 860 comes out. My cards run everything just fine in SLI at 1680x1050.

 

[f1sherman]

GTX 460 2GB SLI = GTX 660

GTX 660 SLI ~ GTX 780

 

[willomz]

I take it 460s don't support quad SLI?

 

[rgallant]

LOL guru3d removed the GTX780 from the chart.. now we know its 20% faster than 680. Probably around 15% faster than 7970GE.
Damn I think this are our last 28nm gpu.. with that difference in perf, AMD wont do a fucking refresh.

just rambling

-AND THESE MIGHT BE THE GOOD TIMES [high end gpu's $500ish]

-now that nv is going 2 high end chip sizes 20 nm will be the same .
amd can not compete with nv pro chips waiting to sand bag them at every node.
-had they completed their refresh ,even if they matched titan , nv would have unlocked the clocks so still no win for amd .
-unless they go for a big chip [10% smaller than titan like chips] and cripple anything under a titan like chip for nv , but can they do that with out deep margin cuts or a loss .,

not sure how this will play out going forward.

-all I know I won't pay 1k for a gpu card and you still need 2 to be a substantial upgrade.

 

[5150Joker]

I'm not sure if you've checked some current reviews. Things seem to have gotten better lately.

[H] Titan vs. 7990 review compares Titan, 7990, 680SLI, and 7970GHz crossfire. They make no mention of crossfire being problematic and said the 7970GHz crossfire gave the best gaming experience.

Guru3D reviewed Metro LL and looking at the "Frametime Performance" it seems that the only issues experienced they chalked up to the game.

I'm not ready to pronounce crossfire as equal to SLI yet. We need more testing over a wider range of games, but I also don't think it's as "broken" as some would lead us to believe. It certainly doesn't seem to deserve the title of epic frame latency and micro-stuttering.

AMD hasn't released their driver that supposedly addresses the frame latency problem so how did it just magically fix itself? Talk about dreaming.

 

[Skurge]

AMD hasn't released their driver that supposedly addresses the frame latency problem so how did it just magically fix itself? Talk about dreaming.

I think you have to remember crossfire hasn't had issues in EVERY game. So there are games where the aren't issues.

 

[tential]

LOL guru3d removed the GTX780 from the chart.. now we know its 20% faster than 680. Probably around 15% faster than 7970GE.
Damn I think this are our last 28nm gpu.. with that difference in perf, AMD wont do a fucking refresh.

You're thinking from the viewpoint of a gaming enthusiast on a hardware enthusiast forum. Not from a business man who wants to make as much money as possible. AMD's BEST sellers aren't their performance cards it's their midrange cards. People aren't all willing to spend 400-500+ on graphics cards man. A TON more people are willing to purchase mid range. Even MORE are willing to buy the "NEW" 8000 series AMD even if it's just a rebrand. We've seen it hundreds of times before, people are easily tricked into buying the newest thing, even if it offers less performance. As long as the number is larger than the last they'll get it. Would AMD lose the high end? Yes. As we've seen tons of times before, AMD is willing to lose that. They want to sell and make money, not have the performance crown. They're more than willing to give up a performance crown if it means they make money.