The GTX 780, 770, 760 ti Thread First review leaked $700+?

DooKey · May 17, 2013

OILFIELDTRASH said:
I don't see how you offer that price without totally pissing off the Titan buyers? I really think nvidia made their bed with the ultra premium pricing. There's no turning back now. Not without handing out partial refunds to the titan buyers anyways.

As the owner of 2x Titans it won't piss me off. I paid the early adopters fee and no one made me do it.

With that said I believe $649 is going to be the price for the 780. Maybe as low as $599.

blackened23 · May 17, 2013

OILFIELDTRASH said:
I don't see how you offer that price without totally pissing off the Titan buyers? I really think nvidia made their bed with the ultra premium pricing. There's no turning back now. Not without handing out partial refunds to the titan buyers anyways.

The first and most obvious counter-point is that you're completely ignoring VRAM. As mentioned earlier, GDDR5 is extremely cost prohibitive and it just so happens that the Titan has 6GB. It also uses the most expensive GDDR5 at that, Samsung. The titan is for a different segment of purchasers - It has 6GB VRAM and is designed for multi monitor. A 3GB card will be substantially worse for multi-monitor gaming, and will fall on it's face in scenarios in which the Titan will do very well.

I should further state that it is plausible that a 6GB GTX 780 will be 700ish-750$. When you make the VRAM playing field more level, the prices make more sense.

iMacmatician · May 17, 2013

blackened23 said:
The only way they would venture outside of this is if they still want to maintain a quota for their HPC segment. If that were the case, it is entirely possible that nvidia could eschew higher Geforce profits in favor of having GK110 quotas to preserve their HPC quadro / Tesla line of cards. That is possible, but I would say very unlikely.

I'm not entirely sure about the Tesla part, the 780 is rumored to have 12 SMXs so a lot of 780 chips may be chips with 3 defective SMXs, which means they wouldn't have been used as K20 or K20X anyway (unless there is a lower-end Tesla coming out later). However sub-13 SMX GK110s could be used in upcoming Quadros, as there have been GF100 Quadros all the way down to 8 SMs.

toyota · May 18, 2013

f1sherman said:
Over ambitious title, or perhaps NOT?

Final specifications for GeForce GTX 770 & 780

how could a less that 3% bump in clock speeds and 16% increase in ram speeds make the TDP go from 195 to 230?

24601 · May 18, 2013

toyota said:
how could a less that 3% bump in clock speeds and 16% increase in ram speeds make the TDP go from 195 to 230?

Higher utilization of existing resources.

Same thing happens in Tahiti.

wand3r3r · May 18, 2013

blackened23 said:
The first and most obvious counter-point is that you're completely ignoring VRAM. As mentioned earlier, GDDR5 is extremely cost prohibitive and it just so happens that the Titan has 6GB. It also uses the most expensive GDDR5 at that, Samsung. The titan is for a different segment of purchasers - It has 6GB VRAM and is designed for multi monitor. A 3GB card will be substantially worse for multi-monitor gaming, and will fall on it's face in scenarios in which the Titan will do very well.

I should further state that it is plausible that a 6GB GTX 780 will be 700ish-750$. When you make the VRAM playing field more level, the prices make more sense.

Well the 7970 6GB was $650 at launch? While it may be expensive it can't be hundreds of $ expensive, how much can it be? $10, $20, $50? 3GB can't be extremely expensive either, the 7950 has 3GB for ~$300 (even if it's lower speed etc.). There's no way it's 1/3 of the cost imo ($100).

I doubt either of us have numbers to show the actual price in the end (plus NV/AMD would have incredible negotiating power, they wouldn't just buy 100GB), I just don't think 6GB (the additional 3GB) would cost a fortune.

Fx1 · May 18, 2013

OILFIELDTRASH said:
I don't see how you offer that price without totally pissing off the Titan buyers? I really think nvidia made their bed with the ultra premium pricing. There's no turning back now. Not without handing out partial refunds to the titan buyers anyways.

The worst part is that the 780 is out so soon after Titan.

Good news for people who weren't tempted by Titan. Bad news for people who did buy it.

toyota · May 18, 2013

Fx1 said:
The worst part is that the 780 is out so soon after Titan.

Good news for people who weren't tempted by Titan. Bad news for people who did buy it.

the kind of people that drop 1000 bucks for a card probably wont care.

willomz · May 18, 2013

I thought it was very touching the empathy that Fx1 has for those poor Titan owners. He is the only one who truly feels their pain.

Perhaps he could team up with Bob Geldof and organise some sort of benefit concert for all those who have been affected.

Fx1 · May 18, 2013

toyota said:
the kind of people that drop 1000 bucks for a card probably wont care.

i think your assumptions about people with money are wrong.

The reason they have lots of it is because they really do care.

hawtdawg · May 18, 2013

BallaTheFeared said:
Performance isn't quite as good as I hoped, but the link says $500 so that's something!

Edit: This is the part where locked voltage/TDP blows, because this chip could easily run with Titan at the top if they were both allowed to run out.

Well, the voltage wasn't even the limitation on the Titan I had. It was all TDP, even after I modded the vbios to cap it at 300w. If we're given the same freedom with the voltage on the 780 as with the Titan, a modded TDP of 300w could potentially allow this card to do some serious shit.

hawtdawg · May 18, 2013

toyota said:
the kind of people that drop 1000 bucks for a card probably wont care.

I bought a Titan, but the second I started seeing 780 rumors, I put it up on ebay.

Shmee · May 18, 2013

hawtdawg said:
Well, the voltage wasn't even the limitation on the Titan I had. It was all TDP, even after I modded the vbios to cap it at 300w. If we're given the same freedom with the voltage on the 780 as with the Titan, a modded TDP of 300w could potentially allow this card to do some serious shit.

This is what I am hoping for! Hoping there isn't another voltage locking fiasco, hoping the 780 could be a great tweaker's card.

tential · May 18, 2013

DooKey said:
As the owner of 2x Titans it won't piss me off. I paid the early adopters fee and no one made me do it.

With that said I believe $649 is going to be the price for the 780. Maybe as low as $599.

Best answer to this situation.

We all know that when we purchase something close to launch day we're paying more for it to have it first.

Just as a quick example, I purchased Halo 4 on launch day. Literally 2-3 weeks after that (maybe even less), I saw a deal on it for 45 dollars. Now, there were also promotions for being a platinum card AMEX holder that further dropped the price down (I think by 15-20 dollars). So I could have gotten the game for half retail price but instead paid 60 to have it 2-3 weeks before everyone else. That's the price you pay so that you get to play first while others crowd into your room to watch you play a game they don't own (luckily I was still to take advantage of the AMEX deals anyway).

People purchasing a Titan knew they were paying a HIGH premium to own the best, and that they were early adopters. Thank god some people are able to realize that here and aren't offended by this.

Because the market I look for currently in GPUs is price to performance because gaming isn't a high priority in my life, and my disposable income for luxury goods goes to things like designer clothes and jewelry I really don't care for the Titan and cards like it. At the same time, I highly doubt most people on this forum would go buy a pair of $300 dollar jeans.

I don't think Titan is overpriced, or cards like it for what they are, luxury cards. And if you're an early adopter of a luxury product, you know that prices can drop on a dime, or that new products may come out that eclipse yours.

MrK6 · May 18, 2013

Fx1 said:
i think your assumptions about people with money are wrong.

The reason they have lots of it is because they really do care.

Exactly. People that have money do so because they're intelligent with it.

Rvenger · May 18, 2013

Anyone post this? http://www.shopblt.com/search/order_id=%21ORDERID%21&s_max=25&t_all=1&s_all=gtx+780

Its going to be $699.99

MrK6 · May 18, 2013

Rvenger said:
Anyone post this? http://www.shopblt.com/search/order_id=%21ORDERID%21&s_max=25&t_all=1&s_all=gtx+780

Its going to be $699.99

Great find! It's a shame though, because it's not really worth the cost considering the modest performance improvement. This card is what, 20-25% faster than a 7970 GHz for $250-300 more? Yikes. I was looking at doing GTX 780 SLI since mining is winding down, but for $1400 it's laughable.

Grooveriding · May 18, 2013

Rvenger said:
Anyone post this? http://www.shopblt.com/search/order_id=%21ORDERID%21&s_max=25&t_all=1&s_all=gtx+780

Its going to be $699.99

I posted this earlier and was ignored. The same individual who I asked prior to Titan's launch if the $900 was accurate told me he so far is aware of a 780 SKU that will be $699. I don't know if that was OC or stock and for the record he confirmed the $900 Titan price, which was wrong, $1000 was the real one

But I generally believe what he is saying.

I knew I was getting raped on Titan's pricing and still think the card is a huge rip-off, but it's money spent and gone and anyone who buys video cards know they generally depreciate really fast. If they sold 780 for $500 I would think it was great, but it's not happening. The card is going to priced higher than that for lots of obvious reasons not worth laying out here.

wand3r3r · May 18, 2013

At the GeForce E-Sports festival in mainland China NVIDIA went ahead and publicly announced the flagship GeForce GTX 780 graphics card. The GeForce GTX 780 is set to launch next week on May 23rd 2013.

http://www.thinkcomputers.org/nvidia-announces-the-geforce-gtx-780-at-geforce-e-sports/

MrK6 · May 18, 2013

Also makes you wonder, what's the price of the GTX 770 going to be? If it's filling in the $500 slot, people who bought a GTX 680 for $500 at launch over a year ago got a great deal.

toyota · May 18, 2013

Fx1 said:
i think your assumptions about people with money are wrong.

The reason they have lots of it is because they really do care.

MrK6 said:
Exactly. People that have money do so because they're intelligent with it.

computer parts are not an investment and "intelligent" people know that.

jenneth · May 18, 2013

Possibly ~$420 for the based clocked GTX 770 and ~$470 for the OC'd 770.

toyota · May 18, 2013

Grooveriding said:
I posted this earlier and was ignored. The same individual who I asked prior to Titan's launch if the $900 was accurate told me he so far is aware of a 780 SKU that will be $699. I don't know if that was OC or stock and for the record he confirmed the $900 Titan price, which was wrong, $1000 was the real one But I generally believe what he is saying.

I knew I was getting raped on Titan's pricing and still think the card is a huge rip-off, but it's money spent and gone and anyone who buys video cards know they generally depreciate really fast. If they sold 780 for $500 I would think it was great, but it's not happening. The card is going to priced higher than that for lots of obvious reasons not worth laying out here.

http://videocardz.com/images/2013/05/PNY-GeForce-GTX-780.jpg

http://videocardz.com/images/2013/05/PNY-GeForce-GTX-770.jpg

http://videocardz.com/images/2013/05/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-780-GK110-300-A1.jpg

anybody know what those additional components are on the 780?

MrK6 · May 18, 2013

toyota said:
computer parts are not an investment and "intelligent" people know that.

No one said they were, and I have no idea how you got that from the discussion.

toyota · May 18, 2013

MrK6 said:
No one said they were, and I have no idea how you got that from the discussion.

well its seems pretty simple. I said the type of person that spent 1000 bucks on Titan will not be upset about the 780. and why would that be? because they knew they were buying a card that was going to look silly at some point. so again a card like that is not an investment so the type of person that buys it is not going to be upset when a better value comes out a few months later. but keep arguing for the sake of arguing though. lol

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