The GTX 780, 770, 760 ti Thread *First review leaked $700+?*

[wand3r3r]

That image says 5GB. Supposedly it's 3 (and presumably 6GB).

 

[ICDP]

Performance isn't quite as good as I hoped, but the link says $500 so that's something!

Agreed, we can hope $500 is accurate :thumbsup:

 

[BallaTheFeared]

That image says 5GB. Supposedly it's 3 (and presumably 6GB).

Didn't catch that, or the 320 bus, or the 40 ROPs...

:|

Now I hope it's all fake!

 

[Cloudfire777]

Performance isn't quite as good as I hoped, but the link says $500 so that's something!

Edit: This is the part where locked voltage/TDP blows, because this chip could easily run with Titan at the top if they were both allowed to run out.

Performance isn`t quite as good as you had hoped?
25% better score in all the extreme benchmarks isn`t good enough for you?
+20%, 23%, + 30% in the 3 games tested at 1600p isn`t good enough?

Seriously?

Didn't catch that, or the 320 bus, or the 40 ROPs...

:|

Now I hope it's all fake!

That image says 5GB. Supposedly it's 3 (and presumably 6GB).

How are you gonna match up 3GB on a 320bit bus? I`m curious.

 

[tviceman]

We've already seen retail boxes saying 3gb of vram, so that GPU shot has to be either fake or of a K20, but not GTX780.

 

[ICDP]

Performance isn`t quite as good as you had hoped?
25% better score in all the extreme benchmarks isn`t good enough for you?
+20%, 23%, + 30% in the 3 games tested at 1600p isn`t good enough?

Seriously?

If those rumoured results are correct then it falls right where expected between GTX680 and Titan. This would put it around 15% faster than HD7970 @ GE speeds. Considering the performance increase compared to GTX680 and 7970 GE it would need to be no more than $500, or $550 at most.

So performance is OK IMHO, just need the price to be realistic.

 

[Cloudfire777]

We've already seen retail boxes saying 3gb of vram, so that GPU shot has to be either fake or of a K20, but not GTX780.

They probably just wrote wrong information in the picture.

Just read the specifications on the 780;
3GB/384bit bus
That makes sense

If those rumoured results are correct then it falls right where expected between GTX680 and Titan. This would put it around 15% faster than HD7970 @ GE speeds. Considering the performance increase compared to GTX680 and 7970 GE it would need to be no more than $500, or $550 at most.

So performance is OK IMHO, just need the price to be realistic.

Ideally yes. But once again: Nvidia or AMD doesn`t look at price/performance. They don`t care about that. They pick the price based on what the market wants to pay. +25% 680 and +15% 7970GE, vapour chamber and aluminum on the 780: You can bet your house that this GPU will sell like crazy regardless wether it is $550 or $650 or whatever

 

[blackened23]

If those rumoured results are correct then it falls right where expected between GTX680 and Titan. This would put it around 15% faster than HD7970 @ GE speeds. Considering the performance increase compared to GTX680 and 7970 GE it would need to be no more than $500, or $550 at most.

So performance is OK IMHO, just need the price to be realistic.

This is definitely a valid point. I have no doubt the performance will be great, but one has to consider the context of prior GTX x80 part released. The GTX 285 > GTX 480 was an absolutely huge increase with the 480 being 499$, the 480 > 580 was a 20% increase with the price being the same $499, the 580 > 680 was a 30% increase with more VRAM and the same $499 cost. Now I see people stating they expect 750$ for a 20% increase again. Uhm. Excuse me? Now please don't say that "oh but AMD doesn't have HD9000 yet! nvidia can charge what they want!". I discussed that many pages ago and will do so again. That is an incorrect statement, the market determines the price through an economic concept called profit maximization (unless nvidia doesn't want to make it a volume part, or wants to have chip quotas for HTC...). You actually make significantly higher profit not by pricing products sky high out of arrogance, but by pricing them at the best compromise between volume sales and slightly lower price. They cannot charge sky high prices without a significant portion of buyers exiting the market, X Dollars of higher cost means Y consumers will exit the market and search for an alternative.

With that context I think 500$ is a fair price. I'm just really confused as to how anyone thinks 700$ is remotely justified. Now, some more passionate fans who don't spend money wisely will buy it. Anyway, 700$ will definitely exclude a very large portion of the market with strict price limits from pre-conceived notions. I've mentioned this before but thousands of people bought the 670 for 399$. Would they have bought it at 550$? I'd say the majority would not. The entire value proposition which the 670 had, would be completely gone.

Hopefully, 500-550$ is indeed the price of the GTX 780 . That would be completely fair for a 20% increase.

 

[ICDP]

Exactly. :thumbsup:

If Nvidia are aiming for GTX780 to be a volume part then they simply cannot price higher than $500-$550.

 

[ICDP]

Ideally yes. But once again: Nvidia or AMD doesn`t look at price/performance. They don`t care about that. They pick the price based on what the market wants to pay. +25% 680 and +15% 7970GE, vapour chamber and aluminum on the 780: You can bet your house that this GPU will sell like crazy regardless wether it is $550 or $650 or whatever

There is a limit to what even the most ardent fans will pay for what amounts to nothing more than cosmetics. If GTX780 is ~20% faster than a GTX680 and is priced ~60% higher it will not sell as well as you expect.

It could be that Nvidia are simply not aiming for a volume part with the GTX780. If that's the case then it will be ~$700 and GTX770 will be the volume $500 part. All of this is pure speculation of course.

 

[Cloudfire777]

GTX Titan is 222% the price of a GTX 680 but is only 40-50% faster. That didn`t stop Nvidia from sellng tons of Titans.

Trust me, if GTX 780 cost $550-$650, it will sell like hotcakes

 

[Crap Daddy]

GTX780 validation GPU-Z:

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/zxgq9/

 

[BallaTheFeared]

48 rops, 384 bus, daddy like.

 

[Crap Daddy]

48 rops, 384 bus, daddy like.

The clocks are though... overclocked.

 

[blackened23]

GTX Titan is 222% the price of a GTX 680 but is only 40-50% faster. That didn`t stop Nvidia from sellng tons of Titans.

Trust me, if GTX 780 cost $550-$650, it will sell like hotcakes

Keep in mind that there is more to the picture than merely performance which you're ignoring. Nvidia didn't intend to make the Titan a volume part in the same vein as the 670 or 680, it was for a specific niche of multi monitor gaming which is why it had 6GB of VRAM. I can tell you, GDDR5 memory is very very expensive, and it so happens that the Titan is using the most expensive variant of GDDR5 possible (Samsung). So the result of the Titan is to fill that specific niche, and they didn't intend for it to pull the volume sales that the GTX 670/680 did. I also presume they wanted to preserve chips for their HPC segment, which is extremely profitable.

Now with that said, 550$ is pretty close to where I would peg the final GTX 780 price. 650$? Not so much. We do know that the 780 will be considerably cheaper than the Titan by virtue of having only 3GB of VRAM - that alone tells me that nvidia wants volume on this part, they want it to be what the GTX 680 was. A high volume selling part for an x80.

700-800$ would be plausible for a 6GB part, but I see this being quite a bit cheaper. And I can also see some Titan owners being upset about the final pricing whenever it happens, but again - the Titan was designed for multi monitor gaming. There are situations where Titan will shine, whereas the GTX 780 will fall flat on it's face (with 3GB, anyway - i'm sure they'll make a 6GB version as well.). In any case, we'll see in a few days. I really do believe the price will be around 550$.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

The clocks are though... overclocked.

Doesn't matter to me, if I got one it would be under a gun getting hard modded

 

[ICDP]

GTX Titan is 222% the price of a GTX 680 but is only 40-50% faster. That didn`t stop Nvidia from sellng tons of Titans.

Trust me, if GTX 780 cost $550-$650, it will sell like hotcakes

$550-$650 is a very wide margin, you need to pick one or the other because $550 is reasonably acceptable while $650 is not. $100 margin is the difference between GTX670 and GTX680 or HD7950 and HD 7970. We are talking the difference between top and mid range cards.

You can't back all the horses in a race and then say aren't I brilliant, I picked the winner.

 

[blackened23]

$550-$650 is a very wide margin, you need to pick one or the other because $550 is reasonably acceptable while $650 is not. You can't back all the horses in a race and then say aren't I brilliant, I picked the winner.

Another valid point. 550$-650$ is too wide of a margin if you're trying to pick a price, cloud. You may as well just go nuts with your guess and say 500-800$.

I maintain 550$ will likely be the final price due to several RECENT rumors, if not 500$ - This fits perfectly within the paradigm of their prior GTX x80 parts while maintaining a similar performance differential. Again, GTX 285 > 480 , 480 = 499$ for a 30-40% increase. 480 > 580, 499$ for a 20% increase. 580 > 680, 499$ for a 30% increase with *more VRAM*.

The only way they would venture outside of this is if they still want to maintain a quota for their HPC segment. If that were the case, it is entirely possible that nvidia could eschew higher Geforce profits in favor of having GK110 quotas to preserve their HPC quadro / Tesla line of cards. That is possible, but I would say very unlikely. All signs such as the card being 3GB point to a volume part, priced to move, priced to maximize profit. And no, higher price doesn't ALWAYS mean higher profit. In fact, it rarely does - consumers aren't sheep who pay whatever you tell them to. It all goes back to the economic concept of profit maximization - if nvidia is trying to do that, I really think 500-550$ will be the price.

 

[Fx1]

The reason the 780 GTX will be like Titan is the same way the 670 was as good as a 680. Most games arent that hard on shader core numbers. ROPS are more important it seems to GK110. This is why its going to be 90% of a Titan.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

$699. My final guess.

 

[Rvenger]

Another valid point. 550$-650$ is too wide of a margin if you're trying to pick a price, cloud. You may as well just go nuts with your guess and say 500-800$.

I maintain 550$ will likely be the final price due to several RECENT rumors, if not 500$ - This fits perfectly within the paradigm of their prior GTX x80 parts while maintaining a similar performance differential. Again, GTX 285 > 480 , 480 = 499$ for a 30-40% increase. 480 > 580, 499$ for a 20% increase. 580 > 680, 499$ for a 30% increase with *more VRAM*.

The only way they would venture outside of this is if they still want to maintain a quota for their HPC segment. If that were the case, it is entirely possible that nvidia could eschew higher Geforce profits in favor of having GK110 quotas to preserve their HPC quadro / Tesla line of cards. That is possible, but I would say very unlikely. All signs such as the card being 3GB point to a volume part, priced to move, priced to maximize profit. And no, higher price doesn't ALWAYS mean higher profit. In fact, it rarely does - consumers aren't sheep who pay whatever you tell them to. It all goes back to the economic concept of profit maximization - if nvidia is trying to do that, I really think 500-550$ will be the price.

I hope so because my credit card is ready!!!!!!!!

 

[blackened23]

I hope so because my credit card is ready!!!!!!!!

Now think about how many people feel the same way towards a 500-550$ price. NV will move a lot of product and make a killing.

 

[Rvenger]

Ill be doing what I did to the GTX 680 and hit the refresh button on my browser excessively.

 

[f1sherman]

Over ambitious title, or perhaps NOT?


Final specifications for GeForce GTX 770 & 780

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Now think about how many people feel the same way towards a 500-550$ price. NV will move a lot of product and make a killing.

I don't see how you offer that price without totally pissing off the Titan buyers? I really think nvidia made their bed with the ultra premium pricing. There's no turning back now. Not without handing out partial refunds to the titan buyers anyways.