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The Grand Horserace. Current picks?

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ProfJohn said:
Fixed.
Seriously, Obama became a Presidential candidate because the press decided that he should be one. How else do you explain how a first term senator with no meaningful political experience becomes the president on his first try at the office??
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I don't think even Senator Obama expected himself to win the presidential nomination; I believe he was making a practice run to gain the experience he would need when he ran to become President Clinton's successor in 2016. It was the utter incompetence of the Clinton campaign that handed him the presidency. Had Senator Clinton or her campaign staff understood the significance of the caucus states and how to manage them, you'd be bitching about HillaryCare instead.
 
Unless someone can effectively unite a heavily divided GOP base, I don't think the Republicans stand a chance in 2012. I would say social issues and foreign policy are at the top of a list of issues that divide the GOP. As of now, any likely nomination isn't going to be "good enough" for too many Republican voters, and they will lack enough enthusiasm. The only person, IMO, who could achieve this has already said he has zero intention of running in 2012. Besides, "the establishment" seems to be just fine with Obama.
 
spidey07 said:
Quoted for teabagtag in 2012. There is no way dems can run Obama, he is so dispised by this country and he continues to piss off every single sector and demographic every single day. FBHO.
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$50 says the Democrats field Obama. Money -> mouth?
 
I honestly don't follow American politics closely enough to know what's going on with your opposition party. Can I get a quick list of Republican contenders for 2012 to do some research? International media tends to focus solely on the people actually in office making sizing up everyone else rather difficult.
 
yllus said:
I honestly don't follow American politics closely enough to know what's going on with your opposition party. Can I get a quick list of Republican contenders for 2012 to do some research? International media tends to focus solely on the people actually in office making sizing up everyone else rather difficult.
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There isn't anything solid yet. I'd figure wait until at least after the November midterms to find out who the Republicans might put up.
 
Pens1566 said:
I still think Palin has inside track to the nomination.
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there's really not a chance in hell.

she's about as popular (and with the same people) as like Huckabee and Thompson were in 2008.

she might have enough of a voice to impact the VP selection and maybe make the "real" candidate have to suffer through more contested primaries than s/he might like to, but there's realistically no chance that she'd win the nomination unless something earth-shattering happens between now and 2012.
 
ProfJohn said:
At least Bush was the governor of the second largest state for a term and a half before he was elected.

There is a HUGE difference between running any state and being a member of the Senate.
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LOL, ya, Bush had one of the weakest governor positions in the country, and had fun making fun of people's pleas on their capital punishment.

On the other hand, from Day 1 in the Senate Barack Obama was viewed as a presidential candidate and dealt with federal issue that he'd face as president.

I guess old JFK lacked any presidential leadership ability, since he'd only been in the Senate, not governor. And oh ya, didn't you support McCain... Senator McCain?

Just for fun, can you point me to your posts attacking McCain's lack of executive experience, to be consistent with your many on Obama? Guess not.
 
Craig234 said:
LOL, ya, Bush had one of the weakest governor positions in the country, and had fun making fun of people's pleas on their capital punishment.

On the other hand, from Day 1 in the Senate Barack Obama was viewed as a presidential candidate and dealt with federal issue that he'd face as president.

I guess old JFK lacked any presidential leadership ability, since he'd only been in the Senate, not governor. And oh ya, didn't you support McCain... Senator McCain?

Just for fun, can you point me to your posts attacking McCain's lack of executive experience, to be consistent with your many on Obama? Guess not.
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Apples to battleships man...apples to battleships. Both JFK and McCain had/have much more experience on the federal legislative level than Obama had. That's ok though, you've never been one to let facts get in the way of a good delusion.
 
loki8481 said:
there's really not a chance in hell.

she's about as popular (and with the same people) as like Huckabee and Thompson were in 2008.

she might have enough of a voice to impact the VP selection and maybe make the "real" candidate have to suffer through more contested primaries than s/he might like to, but there's realistically no chance that she'd win the nomination unless something earth-shattering happens between now and 2012.
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We've discussed this before. She has the most star power, the best connection with the base, and easily the best fundraiser.
 
shiner said:
Apples to battleships man...apples to battleships. Both JFK and McCain had/have much more experience on the federal legislative level than Obama had. That's ok though, you've never been one to let facts get in the way of a good delusion.
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How dishonest of you. The claim was that being Governor was a much stronger preparation for being in the Senate.

I corrected that, and you want to jump in and restate the topic to the length of time in the Senate, pretending that the previous claim didn't exist that I was responding to.

If you want to discuss length of time in the Senate, I might have, but am not inclined to when you back in to the topic so dishonestly.

If you want to discuss a topic, don't misrepresent the context of what I said, or what I said. I didn't say, for example, 'Obama was just as experienced as JFK', as you try to imply.
 
Pens1566 said:
We've discussed this before. She has the most star power, the best connection with the base, and easily the best fundraiser.
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her negatives are huge, though.

I'm not convinced she's even going to run, but if she does (especially seeing that the democratic primary will be all-but-uncontested) I could see a groundswell of voters voting in the GOP primaries to vote against her.
 
Moonbeam said:
Why Republican's can't recognize glad-handing two faced pieces of shit is beyond me, but they can't. Actually, they can't because they themselves lack a center. I would take Palin over Romney any day of the week because she's at least completely real. Romney oozes garbage. It is amusing, I guess, that Romney the Mormon is a problem for Republicans. You can be a phony empty suit and Be Republican but not from a phony Christian sect. Those Mormons are stealing souls and money from the funders.
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Hate much Moonie? Sheesh.
 
Craig234 said:
LOL, ya, Bush had one of the weakest governor positions in the country, and had fun making fun of people's pleas on their capital punishment.

On the other hand, from Day 1 in the Senate Barack Obama was viewed as a presidential candidate and dealt with federal issue that he'd face as president.

I guess old JFK lacked any presidential leadership ability, since he'd only been in the Senate, not governor. And oh ya, didn't you support McCain... Senator McCain?

Just for fun, can you point me to your posts attacking McCain's lack of executive experience, to be consistent with your many on Obama? Guess not.
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Give me a f'n break.

"dealt with federal issue that he'd face as president" would you give me an example of a federal issue that Obama 'dealt' with as a Senator??

ONE bill that he proposed that amounted anything??? Just one bill of consequence.

BTW

JFK was in the Federal government for 13 years before he became President.
McCain has been in the Federal government for 27 years.

Obama: 4 years in Federal office and 7 more in local government.
 
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