The GQP primary debate thread

[K1052]

In the 10 minutes I saw I think I caught her “moderate” abortion stance. She plead to find common ground on banning late term abortions and pushing for adoptions. All things that make sense on the surface to people who are ignorant of why late term abortions happen.

What I heard was let’s force families to pay $100,000’s in medical bills to watch their wanted pregnancy end in horrible pain as their babies gasp for air for hours or a few days dying from unpreventable birth defects.


I also heard that in those awful situations that should be the parents responsibility to determine the least harm to their children themselves and their families, that she feels it’s the governments right to determine the outcome.

And finally since she should know all of this I heard her saying I don’t care about the pain this policy causes vulnerable women, children and families if it gets me elected.

I do agree with you that she’s probably the best of them.

Republicans lying for decades about when abortions happen has been extremely effective for them. Most of the public truly has no idea what happens when and why.

 

[gothuevos]

What I heard was let’s force families to pay $100,000’s in medical bills to watch their wanted pregnancy end in horrible pain as their babies gasp for air for hours or a few days dying from unpreventable birth defects.

As someone who works in this space all I will say is that this isn't the way it happens, ie a baby gasping and dying in agony. Palliative care can be, and is given at all ages. The cost, however, is a valid argument.

Also, can the media stop with this phrase "late term" abortion. There is no such thing. If there is an unforseen complication or the mom has a medical emergency past the date of viability (22-24 weeks gestation), there is no abortion performed. The baby is simply delivered premature and then the complications of prematurity are dealt with. I am baffled that over the past couple of decades no Democrat has stood up to point out this simple fact that happens in major hospitals and NICUs every single day.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Trump does an interview on some deplorable news station or podcast like a Joe Rogan or maybe Fucker Carlson interview. Nobody but us watches the debates because they’re all watching Trump. AT P&N nerds are literally the only people watching the debates.
Lowest rated Debate in history occurs.

The figure has “Trump” estimations in it and it is not exactly clear how X counts views but regardless here it is past Meat:

 

[dank69]

What disqualifies her and pretty much every Republican is her support to pardon trump.

What disqualifies her and every Republican is that they are Republicans.

 

[Sunburn74]

What disqualifies her and every Republican is that they are Republicans.

For me it has nothing to do with tribalism. It's simply one group is completely out of touch with reality and seems to exist mostly to shamelessly serve billionaires and corporations.

 

[HomerJS]

Does DeSantis saying he will shoot people on site crossing the border and on day 1 send troops to Soutn American countries to attack cartels disqualify him from office?

By disqualify he has no concept of the Constitution.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

We've had troops in SA fighting cartels for quite a few years. Combination of CIA, DEA and a few other groups.

 

[dank69]

For me it has nothing to do with tribalism. It's simply one group is completely out of touch with reality and seems to exist mostly to shamelessly serve billionaires and corporations.

My statement had absolutely nothing to do with tribalism. I don't give a fuck about Democrats. They're just (currently) the only people who can stop Republicans from carving each and every one of us up (including themselves) and selling us by the pound.

 

[dank69]

Does DeSantis saying he will shoot people on site crossing the border and on day 1 send troops to Soutn American countries to attack cartels disqualify him from office?

By disqualify he has no concept of the Constitution.

Nothing disqualifies a Republican. Ever. If Trump can get elected, no Republican could do anything to ever get disqualified.

 

[manly]

Does DeSantis saying he will shoot people on site crossing the border and on day 1 send troops to Soutn American countries to attack cartels disqualify him from office?

By disqualify he has no concept of the Constitution.

This is one of his most outlandish positions, but in a sea of outlandish GOP talking points, it somewhat gets lost in the noise. The sad thing is GOP voters probably don't have a problem with it. Constitutionality aside, shooting migrants for piercing our borders is sick and inhumane.

 

[dank69]

This is one of his most outlandish positions, but in a sea of outlandish GOP talking points, it somewhat gets lost in the noise. The sad thing is GOP voters probably don't have a problem with it. Constitutionality aside, shooting migrants for piercing our borders is sick and inhumane.

Sick and inhumane is what the Republican party is all about.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

This is one of his most outlandish positions, but in a sea of outlandish GOP talking points, it somewhat gets lost in the noise. The sad thing is GOP voters probably don't have a problem with it. Constitutionality aside, shooting migrants for piercing our borders is sick and inhumane.

Or as I once said to a deplorable acquaintance. Who ever accepts a job being a sniper on the boarder and is willing to kill women & children crossing the boarder is good news because that dude should be in jail.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Republicans lying for decades about when abortions happen has been extremely effective for them. Most of the public truly has no idea what happens when and why.


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Which is all the more remarkable because the woman misses her period at the end of week 4. Then between weeks 5 and 8 needs to both realize that she is pregnant and decide whether to keep it.

 

[MrSquished]

Republicans lying for decades about when abortions happen has been extremely effective for them. Most of the public truly has no idea what happens when and why.


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It's fucking amazing how lame the Democrats are they don't fight back on this nonsense misinformation with simple, precise and straightforward emphatic language, and on every level, from congress to the president himself. Repetitively. Shameful.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

It's fucking amazing how lame the Democrats are they don't fight back on this nonsense misinformation with simple, precise and straightforward emphatic language, and on every level, from congress to the president himself. Repetitively. Shameful.

- Sort of feeds back into the Barron Trump thread.

This is the kind of thing Dems should be calling dumb as shit and absolutely going to the mat for, but they can't even seem to muster up the brass to go big on the basic stuff...

 

[dainthomas]

The figure has “Trump” estimations in it and it is not exactly clear how X counts views but regardless here it is past Meat:

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I posted a video of my cat playing with a twisty tie. It could also hit 200 million views.

 

[VRAMdemon]

It was a shitshow and hard to watch....

That grinning fool Vivek with the blinding bleached teeth is trying soooo hard to be Trump. Ramaswamy looks like he should be sitting on someone’s lap with a hand stuck up his back. Trying to be Trump and as extreme as possible. He is an asshole of the highest order. GTF outta here, you suck at it. Trumpists will vote for Trump.

On the “raise your hands” on climate change thing, actually I think at least one person (Asa?) was starting to raise his hand, and Christie was thinking about it, until DeFuhrer chipped in. Those cowards are all happy to repeat the talking points and deflect on climate change.

Surprisingly (laf), DeFuhrer was just there and showed how angry, authoritarian and unlikable he is. He looked as though he was in physical pain as he attempted a strained smile while saying, “I will not let you down.”

Christie was Underwhelming. I thought he might have attacked Trump more. It is evident the Trumpers hate him. Obviously, he got heavily booed when he ruled out voting for Trump. The yapping reality show crowd was extremely annoying. Pretty much booed anything perceived as anti-Trump, and pretty much anything that Christie had to say. Rude and obnoxious, as expected. It turned it into more of a circus then it already was. The debate was a reality TV show, and the winner is the player who gets in the sickest burn.

Pence, Hutchinson, Scott and the other dude where just there and did not stand out. Although Pence was more talkative and prepared then I perceived.

That leaves Haley. The only props I will give her is she had the balls (or does she?) to blame the Trump administration for running up large budget deficits and the huge increase in the debt. At least she was brave enough to say it. She is arguably the best at actually stating the current problems in the GOP (followed by Christie) but that costs them in the MAGAsphere. And her views on Ukraine were second to Christie's being in line with mine. Although she argued against the six week ban, she is still tone deaf on abortion in general, and just toes the shitty party line. If my wife and kids were held hostage facing death, other than Christie, I might vote for her.

Kinda creepy is that everyone except Haley was wearing a completely identical outfit. It was like they had a uniform. It made me think of the check-in area for a large airline: they were all just copying the Trump caricature. Dark suit, red tie. “Look! I’m the guy best suited to replace Trump! I even have the tie!”

And that leaves the two biggest clowns (other than DeSantis) Trump and Carlson - The Trump/Carlson interview, it sounded about as batshit as you’d expect. Carlson did the usual “Give Trump a blowjob” thing, mixed with some extra-batshit crazy. At one point, Cucker asked Trump why THEY haven’t just killed him yet. A debate about who killed Epstein, why "they" (whoever that is) haven’t killed Trump yet, who should own the Panama Canal, and why we can’t just get on already with the next civil war.

 

[Bitek]

In the 10 minutes I saw I think I caught her “moderate” abortion stance. She plead to find common ground on banning late term abortions and pushing for adoptions. All things that make sense on the surface to people who are ignorant of why late term abortions happen.

What I heard was let’s force families to pay $100,000’s in medical bills to watch their wanted pregnancy end in horrible pain as their babies gasp for air for hours or a few days dying from unpreventable birth defects.


I also heard that in those awful situations that should be the parents responsibility to determine the least harm to their children themselves and their families, that she feels it’s the governments right to determine the outcome.

And finally since she should know all of this I heard her saying I don’t care about the pain this policy causes vulnerable women, children and families if it gets me elected.

I do agree with you that she’s probably the best of them.

Yeah, we've all been thru the late term abortion debate recently with Hillary in 2016 debates.

Not everyone will agree on this controversial issue, so I prefer the policy of federalism here.

Personally, I'm in the safe but rare camp, and I have quite a few family members who came from adoption. They are here, and so are their kids and vibrant families, bc their mothers kept them to term to give them to good homes. Any of them could have easily ended up as abortions in their situations.

 

[Bitek]

Does DeSantis saying he will shoot people on site crossing the border and on day 1 send troops to Soutn American countries to attack cartels disqualify him from office?

By disqualify he has no concept of the Constitution.

He also said he opposed helping Ukraine because the weapons are needed on the border.

Yeah, clearly we need the HIMARS, cluster bombs and thousands of rounds of 155 mike mike we can't pull from anywhere else.

Fking idiotic and insane pitches to trolls. It's his angle every time.

 

[Fenixgoon]

He also said he opposed helping Ukraine because the weapons are needed on the border.

Yeah, clearly we need the HIMARS, cluster bombs and thousands of rounds of 155 mike mike we can't pull from anywhere else.

Fking idiotic and insane pitches to trolls. It's his angle every time.

meat to the base.

 

[hal2kilo]

The figure has “Trump” estimations in it and it is not exactly clear how X counts views but regardless here it is past Meat:

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Sad how he equates this with any value. Turning up now. Me, me, me,....

 

[Jaskalas]

It takes a lot of searching, for a Republican that is not a traitor.

Nikki Haley touts foreign policy experience​

Haley told Fox News Digital that, if elected president, she will bring a foreign policy with "moral clarity on who our friends are and who our enemies are." "We need to know the difference between good and evil," she said. "And that doesn't mean you allow Ukraine to get eaten up by Russia.

Is that a quote from the debate?
Further detail from June.

 

[HomerJS]

College age Vivek at a college townhall in 2003. Comments?

 

[nakedfrog]

Nothing disqualifies a Republican. Ever. If Trump can get elected, no Republican could do anything to ever get disqualified.

They could say that they're over this partisan nonsense and that it's time to work with the Democrats and do some meaningful governance, with actual compromise. Probably get booed off the stage.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

This is the guy I was thinking about that nobody knew his name .....

WILL HURD

The former Texas congressman kicked off his bid on June 22 on “CBS Mornings,” hoping to build momentum as a more moderate alternative to Trump. Hurd, a onetime CIA officer and fierce Trump critic, served three terms in the House through January 2021 and was the chamber’s only Black Republican during his final two years in office.

Who's running for president? Here's a rundown of the 2024 candidates

With more than a year until the 2024 presidential contest, the field of candidates is largely set

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On the surface he doesn't sound horrible, which probably means he never had a chance.