The GQP primary debate thread

[cytg111]

Speaking of primaries… Did you know what 96% of primaries is won by the candidate that spend the most?
Where this money come from? Glad you askes.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I suggest you observe others in this forum, say people who are delighted to see vigilantism, say the Sikh in a recent thread who beat the legs of a would be thief. What is it about vigilantism that is antithetical to real liberals. Is it not the fact that we are all in danger when judgment of guilt or innocence is put into the hands of some random individual. It could be Trump. So why are people so delighted to see vigilantism in action? Isn't it because they are full of hatred and fear that some evil person will, out of his or her own psychopathology, do them unjust harm? And note how this becomes all the more true when the fear is increased by the fact that the police don't seem to be doing their job. Increased insecurity, the growth of the perception of a dangerous world, causes (creates) illiberal thinking, the feeling that extrajudicial retribution is justified and that leads down that dark path to self justification of any evil. The only answer is personal moral restraint, liberal frontal lobe thinking, the truly human part of the brain. Liberalism is the unfolding of the human within, the part that made God in its image. Fear is the mind killer but really only the human part of the brain, the part that can see others as mirrors of the self. The only time that should be properly suspended, is when faced with imminent threat. You have a right and a duty to protect innocent life from the insanity of others when that insanity reached the level of intention to kill. You have the right to prevent that any way you can.

Before the invention of somewhat humane prisons, that like anything else become corrupted, a thief in Islam would lose one hand and the next and then his head, because theft put the life of others, the innocent, at risk. Now we can separate pathological people from society where they can be exposed to the potential for reform, had we not this need to desire the suffering of others and contempt for spending a dime of our own money fixing problems we imagine we will not personally have to worry about. Who cares if children go hungry. Who is not guilty of this?

The facts are that our being condition, the self we imagine ourselves to be, is the product of all the influences that were present around us in our formative years. And none of it was written on a blank slate, but on the human nature that we manifest as a product of our human evolution, the capacity for thinking, for empathy, for love of our children projected outwardly as the love of life itself. There is only love or the madness of conditioning. Societies problems will never be solved by the projection of hate. Just look at what hate does.

You want me to show you a Nazi. I want to show you where to go to evolve. Have we been taught to hate evil? Have we been taught to behave? Were you threatened, do you fear consequence? Do you want to see evil punished? Who taught you all of this? Isn't it those who you yourself have become? What you never had as a child was a choice. Have you grown up carrying the same belief, that you have no choice? Perhaps you can let go, at least of the certainty of that faith.

What you fear is becoming what you were taught never to be, but, the moment you feared, that was the moment it happened. We are want we fear and we hate it, any knowledge of that as our condition. And we will do anything to prevent becoming conscious of that fact. I think it's better to know. It opens the door to challenging the certainty of everything we know.

So I didn't say exactly you are becoming what you hate. I said we become what we hate but it already happened because we were taught to hate. Where there is hate, there is the Nazi. We are all goosestepping morons proudly parading our conditioning.

Could you trim this down no more than five sentences?

 

[Moonbeam]

That's why you don't let randos commission masterworks. Using those blades to do yard work? Intentionally oxidizing it in a river? Bunch of schmucks.

There is no spoon.

 

[Moonbeam]

Could you trim this down no more than five sentences?

Yes. Just because you ask for something does not mean you are capable of carrying the answer away. A fat or a thin finger pointing at the moon is not the moon. Since the truth is noting I will ever say if I say it in many words you will learn nothing more than if I said it succinctly but you will get some mental exercise. But even that you will bellyache about. What I know and can't tell you in words cost me everything I held sacred.

Now write me a nice fat post telling me how you, if challenged in a debate, and a prize of infinite value offered, you would answer the following questions:

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[sportage]

Going to be a total train wreck (the debate). And why they call this a debate makes no sense. You wouldn't call a basket of rotten apples a chicken dinner now would you?

Here's the breakdown. "Some" will attack Trump, "Some" will attack those attacking Trump, "some" will attack Biden, "all" will attack Hunter, "all will claim the economy is just awful, "all" will claim the economy was just peachy under Trump, and "most" will make absolutely no sense what so ever. But the one thing everyone can definitely count on, Mike Pence will be his old wishy wash self and avoid answering all questions of substance.

I could just see Mike Pense on a cooking show demonstrating a recipe.
WELL, YOU MIX IN SOME FLOWER. WELL YOU DON'T NECESSARILY MIX IN YOU MIGHT STIR IN. OR SHAKE IN. THEN YOU ADD IN SOME MILK. WELL YOU DON'T NECESSARILY ADD IN YOU MIGHT POUR IN OR MAYBE SPRINKLE IN. THEN YOU STIR WITH A SPOON. WELL YOU MIGHT STIR WITH A FORK, OR YOU MIGHT STIR WITH A KNIFE OR YOU COULD USE A COMB. THEN YOU BAKE AT 350 FOR 30 MINUTES. WELL YOU MIGHT BAKE AT 450 FOR 45 MINUTES, OR YOU COULD BAKE AT 250 FOR 15 MINUTES.

 

[woolfe9998]

I won't watch this because it's a hollow exercise in political posturing from a bunch of douchebags destined to not win this primary. And if Trump was in it, I wouldn't watch because Trump was in it and every time I hear him speak for more than 5 seconds I pretty much want to rip his head off and shit down his throat. Does it make me seem more enlightened if I mention that I actually don't like feeling that way?

Anyway, watching this has negative value for your life. You're better off doing something you enjoy. I'll likely be playing Diablo4.

 

[MrSquished]

I won't watch this because it's a hollow exercise in political posturing from a bunch of douchebags destined to not win this primary. And if Trump was in it, I wouldn't watch because Trump was in it and every time I hear him speak for more than 5 seconds I pretty much want to rip his head off and shit down his throat. Does it make me seem more enlightened if I mention that I actually don't like feeling that way?

Anyway, watching this has negative value for your life. You're better off doing something you enjoy. I'll likely be playing Diablo4.

Agreed. I won't be watching it.

Just reading a recap and watch some brief highlights.

I couldn't stand the sight or sound of all those evil people for any more than that.

Sorry if I offended moonbeam by calling the GQP candidates as evil. That's too mean.

 

[sandorski]

Hope Christie does well. Ends DeSantis.

 

[woolfe9998]

Agreed. I won't be watching it.

Just reading a recap and watch some brief highlights.

I couldn't stand the sight or sound of all those evil people for any more than that.

Sorry if I offended moonbeam by calling the GQP candidates as evil. That's too mean.

I prefer to punt on that by relying on the philisophical obversation that there actually isn't any such thing as evil. I instead prefer my own formulation of the George Carlin game show "asshole, jackoff, scumbag." Which I'm sure makes me way more enlightened than you.

 

[Moonbeam]

I prefer to punt on that by relying on the philisophical obversation that there actually isn't any such thing as evil. I instead prefer my own formulation of the George Carlin game show "asshole, jackoff, scumbag." Which I'm sure makes me way more enlightened than you.

I'd love to weigh in on which of you are the more enlightened and what's on track and what's not etc etc etc but the quintessential question I burn for an answer to is 'can you play Diablo4 by yourself' or is it a group undertaking? Sadly, while I do love humanity, I just can't stand people. And while the women love the fact that I have a slow hand, cough, it means I suck at games. People are mean and put me down and you know, well I have guns, and all of that hate makes me suicidal. But I used to have fun wondering around in the desert looking for drops that were upgrades to my equipment. Tal Rasha

 

[soulcougher73]

I hate mid-stage Nazis and Nazis because some of the Republican party are beyond midstage. And you said I'm becoming like what I hate.

So please show me acting like a Nazi. Thanks in advance!

he is projecting. he is becoming what he hates. he has gone off the deep end since Trump.

 

[Moonbeam]

he is projecting. he is becoming what he hates. he has gone off the deep end since Trump.

My opinion is that American democracy was established in a time and a place where the ethical characteristics of the people who grew up here under the sway of British rule could preserve what was given to them. They could not anticipate how badly our the psyche of the American people has degenerated from that time. The American people are now principally divided into two camps, fascists who want to eliminate democracy and fascists who want to preserve it by fascistic means. What I believe is that we have not degenerated sufficiently for either of these sides to win, that there is still sufficient faith in democratic government and the justice system to self correct. It is taking, forever, sadly, but I believe Trump is toast. What I am projecting is my faith that the American system will survive Trump, my faith in America, thin as it is. The two camps are where the nut cases reside. What faith can people who hate themselves have when all they can see is the projection of their own childhood trauma in the form of the sword of Damocles?

 

[Muse]

Well the first debate of the fascist mid-stage Nazi party's nomination process is right around the corner. Trump has announced today he will not be participating, and in fact will be doing an interview with Tucker Carlson at the same time.

What I heard this evening is that the interview with Carlson is to be "prerecorded." So, evidently Trump plans to have it air in competition with the debate. Of course the spirit of fairness would have it air a different time, but fairness isn't in Trump's arsenal.

 

[HomerJS]

My opinion is that American democracy was established in a time and a place where the ethical characteristics of the people who grew up here under the sway of British rule could preserve what was given to them. They could not anticipate how badly our the psyche of the American people has degenerated from that time. The American people are now principally divided into two camps, fascists who want to eliminate democracy and fascists who want to preserve it by fascistic means. What I believe is that we have not degenerated sufficiently for either of these sides to win, that there is still sufficient faith in democratic government and the justice system to self correct. It is taking, forever, sadly, but I believe Trump is toast. What I am projecting is my faith that the American system will survive Trump, my faith in America, thin as it is. The two camps are where the nut cases reside. What faith can people who hate themselves have when all they can see is the projection of their own childhood trauma in the form of the sword of Damocles?

I look at it this way. If you placed electrodes on someone's chest and applied juice you would be arrested for assault/attempted murder. If someone goes into v-fib or arrests that shock is likely necessary.

IMO - this country is in v-fib

 

[soundforbjt]

What I heard this evening is that the interview with Carlson is to be "prerecorded." So, evidently Trump plans to have it air in competition with the debate. Of course the spirit of fairness would have it air a different time, but fairness isn't in Trump's arsenal.

That’s probably also so trump can watch the debate in real time and post on truth.

 

[Stokely]

I won't watch this because it's a hollow exercise in political posturing from a bunch of douchebags destined to not win this primary. And if Trump was in it, I wouldn't watch because Trump was in it and every time I hear him speak for more than 5 seconds I pretty much want to rip his head off and shit down his throat. Does it make me seem more enlightened if I mention that I actually don't like feeling that way?

Anyway, watching this has negative value for your life. You're better off doing something you enjoy. I'll likely be playing Diablo4.

Imagine conducting interviews for a position (something I have done a number of times where I work) where:
- multiple candidates come in at the same time
- they only have to answer your question for 2-3 minutes, and don't have to stay on topic
- other candidates can interrupt them, insult them,and generally engage in shit-flinging

Would you feel confident after all that about your choice? These "debates" are worse than worthless, they are about finding the sharpest and douchiest comedian when that is 0% of what a President actually needs. We need the best administrator, the person who can hire the best people.

A town hall or solo interview where each candidate has to answer questions at length on a variety of subjects would be much more useful. Watching Bernie flounder on such an interview about his pet subject of "down with Wall Street" was quite educational for me, for instance. But booooo-riiiiing says the rubes. Where's my shit-flinging? Where's my insults?

 

[trenchfoot]

Imagine conducting interviews for a position (something I have done a number of times where I work) where:
- multiple candidates come in at the same time
- they only have to answer your question for 2-3 minutes, and don't have to stay on topic
- other candidates can interrupt them, insult them,and generally engage in shit-flinging

Would you feel confident after all that about your choice? These "debates" are worse than worthless, they are about finding the sharpest and douchiest comedian when that is 0% of what a President actually needs. We need the best administrator, the person who can hire the best people.

A town hall or solo interview where each candidate has to answer questions at length on a variety of subjects would be much more useful. Watching Bernie flounder on such an interview about his pet subject of "down with Wall Street" was quite educational for me, for instance. But booooo-riiiiing says the rubes. Where's my shit-flinging? Where's my insults?

I've also done my own share of interviewing prospects and from my experience I can say with certainty that you are spot on to the smallest spot on the spot.

 

[HomerJS]

How to change debates from the current shitshow.

Multiple debates 1-2 hours (depending on the number of participants) on a single topic.

You are going to have to know your shit and can't depend on talking points for 2 hours.

Example, on energy policy. How is Biden responsible for a war on oil when US production has increased steadily since Obama until covid hit?

Explain why oil being a global commodity can't be used in this country by just more drilling.

Republicans claim Trump is responsible for gas being $2.50 during his term. If a President controls the price of gas why didn't Trump just make it $2 or $1.50?

 

[MrSquished]

I prefer to punt on that by relying on the philisophical obversation that there actually isn't any such thing as evil. I instead prefer my own formulation of the George Carlin game show "asshole, jackoff, scumbag." Which I'm sure makes me way more enlightened than you.

Well if you'd like I can explain how I feel calling someone like Hitler an asshole or jackoff vs evil doesn't really cut it for me. Perhaps I can un-enlighten you?

 

[Moonbeam]

Well if you'd like I can explain how I feel calling someone like Hitler an asshole or jackoff vs evil doesn't really cut it for me. Perhaps I can un-enlighten you?

Pretend for a moment woolfe is less enlightened than you are and that the obvious reality of evil makes believing it doesn't exist a joke. I say pretend because this will be required as an assumption but if far from the actual fact. Now, how do you propose to enlighten him? The reason he is less enlightened than you are in this pretend scenario, is because he can't see what you do, is it not. Now let's add to the mix that he doesn't see what you see because deep down below his conscious awareness he doesn't want to. Is this not why we say, "blind as a bigot" because bigots have false ideas the cling to and don't want to give up? What is the treatment for this? Isn't the cure for bigotry ego collapse and the onset of humility. Now consider all the philosophical reasons you can as to why evil does not exist as a mental exercize. Alternatively, you can try to prove that it does. You will find that it all comes down to the fact that you were inculcated to have an opinion and nothing more.

 

[Stokely]

I don't see why you need a debate at all (even a real one, not these childish abominations). I don't need to know how they interact with each other. I want to know what their positions are. At length. I want to know who they intend to hire for important positions. One assumes that as President you are leaning on teams of people to help you with policy, not practicing your stand-up routine. You have advisors to help with press releases and with dealing with Congress. I don't get the impression either that meeting with other heads of state is all that off-the-cuff either.

Not that my opinion will change anything, the bread and circuses will commence because there is entertainment to be had and money to be made.

 

[sportage]

Do we realize how positively sickening all of these red candidates are? How boring, how sickening, how nothings all of them are? And the worst of the worst won't even be there, or so he says.
This should not be labeled as a debate, it's more like a telethon. A telethon of losers.

 

[skyking]

I won't watch this because it's a hollow exercise in political posturing from a bunch of douchebags destined to not win this primary. And if Trump was in it, I wouldn't watch because Trump was in it and every time I hear him speak for more than 5 seconds I pretty much want to rip his head off and shit down his throat. Does it make me seem more enlightened if I mention that I actually don't like feeling that way?

Anyway, watching this has negative value for your life. You're better off doing something you enjoy. I'll likely be playing Diablo4.

I don't drink, and a drinking game is the only way I could watch that shit.

 

[HomerJS]

I debated having multiple scotches, but I want to see the pending bullshit clearly.

How many times have we heard the Trump prosecutions are political. Knowing they will rinse and repeat ask the following...

Is the E. Jean Carroll case political? Is she making it all up?

 

[Stokely]

I know as much as I need to know about most of these clowns, and this dog and pony faux debate won't inform me further.

Mainly I feel that none of them stand even a ghost of a chance against Trump. They'd better hope he dies because that's the only way any of them would sniff the nomination. Even then he'd beat them if his name was on the ballot.

Trump is probably itching to be there honestly because these game show/comic insult-fest "debates" are tailor-made for him. Remember that shining moment where he made fun of a disabled person, or threw water about making fun of Rubio. But he's right to skip, let the clowns rip each other and try to still kiss his ass sideways while still trying to pretend they are running against him. They know if they don't have his cult's support they are toast.