The GQP primary debate thread

MrSquished

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Well the first debate of the fascist mid-stage Nazi party's nomination process is right around the corner. Trump has announced today he will not be participating, and in fact will be doing an interview with Tucker Carlson at the same time.

Both the RNC and Fox News are holding this debate so it's definitely an FU to both of them

So what's going to happen when we get some of the country's other absolute most horrible people on stage next week?

Apparently Ron DeSantis had his debate tactics leaked to the press and to summarize it was defend Trump and attack the Indian candidate.
 

KMFJD

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Well the first debate of the fascist mid-stage Nazi party's nomination process is right around the corner. Trump has announced today he will not be participating, and in fact will be doing an interview with Tucker Carlson at the same time.

Both the RNC and Fox News are holding this debate so it's definitely an FU to both of them

So what's going to happen when we get some of the country's other absolute most horrible people on stage next week?

Apparently Ron DeSantis had his debate tactics leaked to the press and to summarize it was defend Trump and attack the Indian candidate.
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lol....Jeb! ran a better campaign than this meatball
 

dainthomas

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Well the first debate of the fascist mid-stage Nazi party's nomination process is right around the corner. Trump has announced today he will not be participating, and in fact will be doing an interview with Tucker Carlson at the same time.

Both the RNC and Fox News are holding this debate so it's definitely an FU to both of them

So what's going to happen when we get some of the country's other absolute most horrible people on stage next week?

Apparently Ron DeSantis had his debate tactics leaked to the press and to summarize it was defend Trump and attack the Indian candidate.

Mid-stage?
 

UNCjigga

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Prediction: Ramaswamy wins. Tim Scott shows up. Haley smiles. DeSantis and Christie nuke each other. Some other rando gets in a soundbite that lasts less than a 15 minute news cycle.
 
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Trump does an interview on some deplorable news station or podcast like a Joe Rogan or maybe Fucker Carlson interview. Nobody but us watches the debates because they’re all watching Trump. AT P&N nerds are literally the only people watching the debates.
Lowest rated Debate in history occurs.
 
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Moonbeam

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I'm trying to be nice. Moonbeam thinks I'm too mean to the Nazis :eek:
That's not the issue. The issue is that we become what we fear and what we fear we hate. So hating Nazis makes you like them, 'like' as in similar. Because you do not see these two psychological and related truths, you become part of the problem and not part of the solution. And since Nazis are terrible people, but through no fault of their own, just like you can't see the truth of what I just told you, I want to save you from being a terrible person too. So I tell you the facts. Truth is always some third way. You think that if I don't hate Nazis I must, therefore, like them. I just see them as people who have been turned into machines. They live in a program. One can act out of unconscious emotions and one can act out of enlightenment. I suggest the latter is better.
 

Moonbeam

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I'm trying to be nice. Moonbeam thinks I'm too mean to the Nazis :eek:
I think I will add a story about who was the greatest sword-smith in Japan. There were two renowned sword makers in Japan and people wanted a contest to see who was the best. They comissioned a blade from each and stuck it in a river. A leaf floating along with the current bumped into the first sword and was cut in half. The second, when the same thing happened the leaf floated around. That was the sword that was declared the winner.
 

MrSquished

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That's not the issue. The issue is that we become what we fear and what we fear we hate. So hating Nazis makes you like them, 'like' as in similar. Because you do not see these two psychological and related truths, you become part of the problem and not part of the solution. And since Nazis are terrible people, but through no fault of their own, just like you can't see the truth of what I just told you, I want to save you from being a terrible person too. So I tell you the facts. Truth is always some third way. You think that if I don't hate Nazis I must, therefore, like them. I just see them as people who have been turned into machines. They live in a program. One can act out of unconscious emotions and one can act out of enlightenment. I suggest the latter is better.

I chat a decent amount on this forum, there are plenty of my raw and unfiltered words to use as data. Surely you can post evidence that I am becoming like a Republican Nazi.

Pray, do tell.
 

Fenixgoon

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Trump does an interview on some deplorable news station or podcast like a Joe Rogan or maybe Fucker Carlson interview. Nobody but us watches the debates because they’re all watching Trump. AT P&N nerds are literally the only people watching the debates.
Lowest rated Debate in history occurs.
i would not subject myself to the intellectual and moral dumpster fire that will be the republican debates. but you do you :p
 
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HomerJS

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Questions that should be asked:

Vivek you created your own 10 Commandments and #1 says God is alive. Question, who’s God? Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu?

DeSantis you passed a 6 week abortion ban that I assume you are forcing women to follow. If one of your daughters is raped, becomes pregnant and you find out week 7 will you force her to carry to term?
 

KMFJD

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hal2kilo

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Trump does an interview on some deplorable news station or podcast like a Joe Rogan or maybe Fucker Carlson interview. Nobody but us watches the debates because they’re all watching Trump. AT P&N nerds are literally the only people watching the debates.
Lowest rated Debate in history occurs.
How's the Orange Menace's show going to get aired?
 

Stokely

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The only way to win is not to play. These "debates" are ludicrous. Just a way for childish apes to throw poop on each other for a couple hours while not addressing any questions, while the public hoots and hollers like its WWE. In fact, WWE winners and losers might be a better way to pick a leader. Trump is right for not attending though in his case it's because he can only lose ground by going, his lead is yuge.
 
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Moonbeam

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I think I will add a story about who was the greatest sword-smith in Japan. There were two renowned sword makers in Japan and people wanted a contest to see who was the best. They comissioned a blade from each and stuck it in a river. A leaf floating along with the current bumped into the first sword and was cut in half. The second, when the same thing happened the leaf floated around. That was the sword that was declared the winner.
I made some suggestions as to where I think you show an unawareness of psychological principles I believe are true. By asking me to demonstrate from your past posts what makes me feel that way you are, in my opinion, setting up a contest, a challenge. That is not my intention. I believe if you honestly ask yourself what I may be on about, you will see that others have pointed out the same thing, perhaps with less understanding that your lack of introspective acuity, if I may say so, isn't your strong suit but not your fault. Try to imagine yourself helping someone to see something that might benefit them but would at first seem to them like a personal attack. How would you go about helping them to see?
 

MrSquished

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I made some suggestions as to where I think you show an unawareness of psychological principles I believe are true. By asking me to demonstrate from your past posts what makes me feel that way you are, in my opinion, setting up a contest, a challenge. That is not my intention. I believe if you honestly ask yourself what I may be on about, you will see that others have pointed out the same thing, perhaps with less understanding that your lack of introspective acuity, if I may say so, isn't your strong suit but not your fault. Try to imagine yourself helping someone to see something that might benefit them but would at first seem to them like a personal attack. How would you go about helping them to see?

Another psychobabble copout.

Come on man! Get it together. Listen I have a lot of posts, unfiltered. I mean really, if I am showing signs of being a mid-stage Nazi, seriously just like three or four quick quotes of my work. I mean this is debate 101 - you want to call me a mid-stage Nazi as per your observations of my words here, but provide zero proof with a simple search function? It's not like I'm asking you to find a rare word or something, I mean mid-stage Nazis exhibit seriously fucked up behavior, aka todays Republican party. So seriously, my words should be seriously to find. And you won't even do it, yet accuse me of that.

That's bigly sad.
 
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Moonbeam

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Another psychobabble copout.

Come on man! Get it together. Listen I have a lot of posts, unfiltered. I mean really, if I am showing signs of being a mid-stage Nazi, seriously just like three or four quick quotes of my work. I mean this is debate 101 - you want to call me a mid-stage Nazi as per your observations of my words here, but provide zero proof with a simple search function? It's not like I'm asking you to find a rare word or something, I mean mid-stage Nazis exhibit seriously fucked up behavior, aka todays Republican party. So seriously, my words should be seriously to find. And you won't even do it, yet accuse me of that.

That's bigly sad.
I was laboring under the impression that when you said, "Moonbeam thinks I should be nicer to Nazis" the intention was to register that in your opinion I am too nice to them already. But if I am too nice to Nazis and claim you are becoming one yourself why would that be an accusation. Would I not instead be praising you for being like them and like you for it? I simply said that we become what we fear and hate what we fear so we wind up hating ourselves which in turn makes us see all that hate we have for ourselves appear to be coming from others via projection. I just stated what your condition is based on psychological truths I find compelling. I offered you what I regard as insight. I am not accusing you of anything. You already are what you regard as an accusation. I am just pointing out it's how you feel. To feel accused is part of what it is to be a Nazi. They suffer victim mentality. So there is the proof that you asked for but the problem remains that you will not see it.

People motivated by feelings they are unaware they have are programmed blind machines. Don't feel bad about it because that's a given. See it. You are a gigantic idiot and a titanic fool......just like me. You can pretend all you want and so can I but it changes nothing. Humility is ego death.
 

MrSquished

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I was laboring under the impression that when you said, "Moonbeam thinks I should be nicer to Nazis" the intention was to register that in your opinion I am too nice to them already. But if I am too nice to Nazis and claim you are becoming one yourself why would that be an accusation. Would I not instead be praising you for being like them and like you for it? I simply said that we become what we fear and hate what we fear so we wind up hating ourselves which in turn makes us see all that hate we have for ourselves appear to be coming from others via projection. I just stated what your condition is based on psychological truths I find compelling. I offered you what I regard as insight. I am not accusing you of anything. You already are what you regard as an accusation. I am just pointing out it's how you feel. To feel accused is part of what it is to be a Nazi. They suffer victim mentality. So there is the proof that you asked for but the problem remains that you will not see it.

People motivated by feelings they are unaware they have are programmed blind machines. Don't feel bad about it because that's a given. See it. You are a gigantic idiot and a titanic fool......just like me. You can pretend all you want and so can I but it changes nothing. Humility is ego death.

I hate mid-stage Nazis and Nazis because some of the Republican party are beyond midstage. And you said I'm becoming like what I hate.

So please show me acting like a Nazi. Thanks in advance!
 

Moonbeam

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I hate mid-stage Nazis and Nazis because some of the Republican party are beyond midstage. And you said I'm becoming like what I hate.

So please show me acting like a Nazi. Thanks in advance!
I suggest you observe others in this forum, say people who are delighted to see vigilantism, say the Sikh in a recent thread who beat the legs of a would be thief. What is it about vigilantism that is antithetical to real liberals. Is it not the fact that we are all in danger when judgment of guilt or innocence is put into the hands of some random individual. It could be Trump. So why are people so delighted to see vigilantism in action? Isn't it because they are full of hatred and fear that some evil person will, out of his or her own psychopathology, do them unjust harm? And note how this becomes all the more true when the fear is increased by the fact that the police don't seem to be doing their job. Increased insecurity, the growth of the perception of a dangerous world, causes (creates) illiberal thinking, the feeling that extrajudicial retribution is justified and that leads down that dark path to self justification of any evil. The only answer is personal moral restraint, liberal frontal lobe thinking, the truly human part of the brain. Liberalism is the unfolding of the human within, the part that made God in its image. Fear is the mind killer but really only the human part of the brain, the part that can see others as mirrors of the self. The only time that should be properly suspended, is when faced with imminent threat. You have a right and a duty to protect innocent life from the insanity of others when that insanity reached the level of intention to kill. You have the right to prevent that any way you can.

Before the invention of somewhat humane prisons, that like anything else become corrupted, a thief in Islam would lose one hand and the next and then his head, because theft put the life of others, the innocent, at risk. Now we can separate pathological people from society where they can be exposed to the potential for reform, had we not this need to desire the suffering of others and contempt for spending a dime of our own money fixing problems we imagine we will not personally have to worry about. Who cares if children go hungry. Who is not guilty of this?

The facts are that our being condition, the self we imagine ourselves to be, is the product of all the influences that were present around us in our formative years. And none of it was written on a blank slate, but on the human nature that we manifest as a product of our human evolution, the capacity for thinking, for empathy, for love of our children projected outwardly as the love of life itself. There is only love or the madness of conditioning. Societies problems will never be solved by the projection of hate. Just look at what hate does.

You want me to show you a Nazi. I want to show you where to go to evolve. Have we been taught to hate evil? Have we been taught to behave? Were you threatened, do you fear consequence? Do you want to see evil punished? Who taught you all of this? Isn't it those who you yourself have become? What you never had as a child was a choice. Have you grown up carrying the same belief, that you have no choice? Perhaps you can let go, at least of the certainty of that faith.

What you fear is becoming what you were taught never to be, but, the moment you feared, that was the moment it happened. We are want we fear and we hate it, any knowledge of that as our condition. And we will do anything to prevent becoming conscious of that fact. I think it's better to know. It opens the door to challenging the certainty of everything we know.

So I didn't say exactly you are becoming what you hate. I said we become what we hate but it already happened because we were taught to hate. Where there is hate, there is the Nazi. We are all goosestepping morons proudly parading our conditioning.
 

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I suggest you observe others in this forum, say people who are delighted to see vigilantism, say the Sikh in a recent thread who beat the legs of a would be thief. What is it about vigilantism that is antithetical to real liberals. Is it not the fact that we are all in danger when judgment of guilt or innocence is put into the hands of some random individual. It could be Trump. So why are people so delighted to see vigilantism in action? Isn't it because they are full of hatred and fear that some evil person will, out of his or her own psychopathology, do them unjust harm? And note how this becomes all the more true when the fear is increased by the fact that the police don't seem to be doing their job. Increased insecurity, the growth of the perception of a dangerous world, causes (creates) illiberal thinking, the feeling that extrajudicial retribution is justified and that leads down that dark path to self justification of any evil. The only answer is personal moral restraint, liberal frontal lobe thinking, the truly human part of the brain. Liberalism is the unfolding of the human within, the part that made God in its image. Fear is the mind killer but really only the human part of the brain, the part that can see others as mirrors of the self. The only time that should be properly suspended, is when faced with imminent threat. You have a right and a duty to protect innocent life from the insanity of others when that insanity reached the level of intention to kill. You have the right to prevent that any way you can.

Before the invention of somewhat humane prisons, that like anything else become corrupted, a thief in Islam would lose one hand and the next and then his head, because theft put the life of others, the innocent, at risk. Now we can separate pathological people from society where they can be exposed to the potential for reform, had we not this need to desire the suffering of others and contempt for spending a dime of our own money fixing problems we imagine we will not personally have to worry about. Who cares if children go hungry. Who is not guilty of this?

The facts are that our being condition, the self we imagine ourselves to be, is the product of all the influences that were present around us in our formative years. And none of it was written on a blank slate, but on the human nature that we manifest as a product of our human evolution, the capacity for thinking, for empathy, for love of our children projected outwardly as the love of life itself. There is only love or the madness of conditioning. Societies problems will never be solved by the projection of hate. Just look at what hate does.

You want me to show you a Nazi. I want to show you where to go to evolve. Have we been taught to hate evil? Have we been taught to behave? Were you threatened, do you fear consequence? Do you want to see evil punished? Who taught you all of this? Isn't it those who you yourself have become? What you never had as a child was a choice. Have you grown up carrying the same belief, that you have no choice? Perhaps you can let go, at least of the certainty of that faith.

What you fear is becoming what you were taught never to be, but, the moment you feared, that was the moment it happened. We are want we fear and we hate it, any knowledge of that as our condition. And we will do anything to prevent becoming conscious of that fact. I think it's better to know. It opens the door to challenging the certainty of everything we know.

So I didn't say exactly you are becoming what you hate. I said we become what we hate but it already happened because we were taught to hate. Where there is hate, there is the Nazi. We are all goosestepping morons proudly parading our conditioning.

Some people just need beating down and killing.

After all peace is an illusion. And no matter how tranquil the world seems, peace doesn’t last long. Peace is a struggle against our very nature. A skin we stretch over the bone, muscle, and sinew of our own innate savagery.

The instinct of violence curls inside us like a parasite, waiting for a chance to feed on our rage and multiply until it bursts out of us.

Violence is the only thing we really understand.

We’re all broken. There’s nothing more human than that.
 

Moonbeam

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Some people just need beating down and killing.

After all peace is an illusion. And no matter how tranquil the world seems, peace doesn’t last long. Peace is a struggle against our very nature. A skin we stretch over the bone, muscle, and sinew of our own innate savagery.

The instinct of violence curls inside us like a parasite, waiting for a chance to feed on our rage and multiply until it bursts out of us.

Violence is the only thing we really understand.

We’re all broken. There’s nothing more human than that.
You speak what is true insofar as it is true for you and only so because you believe it. We are the world. We see what we believe and believe we see not that but reality. This is what it means to be blind.

I do appreciate you posting though because, if I remember correctly, MrSquished has pegged you for a nut case. :)

If it’s any comfort to you, in my vigilante world, you would, pending proper psychiatric remediation of your condition, be confined in a mental health facility for the insane until such time as the anticipated improvements to your condition via the age old wisdom that, the beatings you so much see as solutions, continue until your moral improves and a cure manifests. Only after unanticipated recalcitrance, would it be deemed necessary to move on to the killing part.

Turn around is, in your world view, is fair play, is it not?
 

MrSquished

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I suggest you observe others in this forum, say people who are delighted to see vigilantism, say the Sikh in a recent thread who beat the legs of a would be thief. What is it about vigilantism that is antithetical to real liberals. Is it not the fact that we are all in danger when judgment of guilt or innocence is put into the hands of some random individual. It could be Trump. So why are people so delighted to see vigilantism in action? Isn't it because they are full of hatred and fear that some evil person will, out of his or her own psychopathology, do them unjust harm? And note how this becomes all the more true when the fear is increased by the fact that the police don't seem to be doing their job. Increased insecurity, the growth of the perception of a dangerous world, causes (creates) illiberal thinking, the feeling that extrajudicial retribution is justified and that leads down that dark path to self justification of any evil. The only answer is personal moral restraint, liberal frontal lobe thinking, the truly human part of the brain. Liberalism is the unfolding of the human within, the part that made God in its image. Fear is the mind killer but really only the human part of the brain, the part that can see others as mirrors of the self. The only time that should be properly suspended, is when faced with imminent threat. You have a right and a duty to protect innocent life from the insanity of others when that insanity reached the level of intention to kill. You have the right to prevent that any way you can.

Before the invention of somewhat humane prisons, that like anything else become corrupted, a thief in Islam would lose one hand and the next and then his head, because theft put the life of others, the innocent, at risk. Now we can separate pathological people from society where they can be exposed to the potential for reform, had we not this need to desire the suffering of others and contempt for spending a dime of our own money fixing problems we imagine we will not personally have to worry about. Who cares if children go hungry. Who is not guilty of this?

The facts are that our being condition, the self we imagine ourselves to be, is the product of all the influences that were present around us in our formative years. And none of it was written on a blank slate, but on the human nature that we manifest as a product of our human evolution, the capacity for thinking, for empathy, for love of our children projected outwardly as the love of life itself. There is only love or the madness of conditioning. Societies problems will never be solved by the projection of hate. Just look at what hate does.

You want me to show you a Nazi. I want to show you where to go to evolve. Have we been taught to hate evil? Have we been taught to behave? Were you threatened, do you fear consequence? Do you want to see evil punished? Who taught you all of this? Isn't it those who you yourself have become? What you never had as a child was a choice. Have you grown up carrying the same belief, that you have no choice? Perhaps you can let go, at least of the certainty of that faith.

What you fear is becoming what you were taught never to be, but, the moment you feared, that was the moment it happened. We are want we fear and we hate it, any knowledge of that as our condition. And we will do anything to prevent becoming conscious of that fact. I think it's better to know. It opens the door to challenging the certainty of everything we know.

So I didn't say exactly you are becoming what you hate. I said we become what we hate but it already happened because we were taught to hate. Where there is hate, there is the Nazi. We are all goosestepping morons proudly parading our conditioning.

I'm not reading this extensive drivel.

If you spent half the time you do concocting up your psychobabble posts and just finding 3-4 quotes of mine to show how mid-stage nazi I am, this conversation could be over and I could be shamed as a nazi. How fun!
 

[DHT]Osiris

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I think I will add a story about who was the greatest sword-smith in Japan. There were two renowned sword makers in Japan and people wanted a contest to see who was the best. They comissioned a blade from each and stuck it in a river. A leaf floating along with the current bumped into the first sword and was cut in half. The second, when the same thing happened the leaf floated around. That was the sword that was declared the winner.
That's why you don't let randos commission masterworks. Using those blades to do yard work? Intentionally oxidizing it in a river? Bunch of schmucks.