Uhmm, yes it 100% did. If we conspire to kill someone and I talk to a hit man about it and he declines the contract - that’s a crime and that’s what happened here.I agree. But that never happened.
Uhmm, yes it 100% did. If we conspire to kill someone and I talk to a hit man about it and he declines the contract - that’s a crime and that’s what happened here.I agree. But that never happened.
Nothing more than two guys talking over a beer. IF Pence had tried, THAT would be actionable.Trump tried to convince pence to enact the plan, which is absolutely an action in furtherance of the offense.
Um, no.Uhmm, yes it 100% did. If we conspire to kill someone and I talk to a hit man about it and he declines the contract - that’s a crime and that’s what happened here.
So to be clear you are saying that if I attempt to hire a hit man at your request that is not a step in furtherance? That seems to be dramatically at odds with all legal precedent. Can you show where you’re getting this idea from?Nothing more than two guys talking over a beer. IF Pence had tried, THAT would be actionable.
If I had talked to you about maybe I should hire a hitman, thats not illegal. If I had actually tried to hire a hitman, that would. With the exchange of money. Talking or suggesting something is not illegal.So to be clear you are saying that if I attempt to hire a hit man at your request that is not a step in furtherance? That seems to be dramatically at odds with all legal precedent. Can you show where you’re getting this idea from?
Ok so we agree if you requested someone to commit the murder that would be a crime?If I had talked to you about maybe I should hire a hitman, thats not illegal. If I had actually tried to hire a hitman, that would. With the exchange of money. Talking or suggesting something is not illegal.
edit: maybe you can explain why after Trump suggested Pence should be hanged he wasnt arrested for attempted murder?
Depends on the solicitation.Ok so we agree if you requested someone to commit the murder that would be a crime?
I think they will be soon. They have a current grand jury that’s assessing whether to file charges against Trump right now.Depends on the solicitation.
edit: And I know where youre going with this. Why havent charges been filed when Trump asked GA to find him 11k+votes? Why?
No, its not.
okI think they will be soon. They have a current grand jury that’s assessing whether to file charges against Trump right now.
Not sure why you are so argumentative about this. Even if trying to end democracy wasn’t a crime, wouldn’t you want it to be?
Because I dont agree this memo is attempting to end democracy. Simple as that.Not sure why you are so argumentative about this. Even if trying to end democracy wasn’t a crime, wouldn’t you want it to be?
To be clear you don’t think that advocating for the Vice President to throw out votes in order to overturn the results of a democratic election is ending democracy?Because I dont agree this memo is attempting to end democracy. Simple as that.
To be clear you don’t think that advocating for the Vice President to throw out votes in order to overturn the results of a democratic election is ending democracy?
Wow. Just…wow.
I sometimes think he's a troll, but I've been in too many right-wing comment threats and there are people that are so fucking horrible like he is. They think they're reasonable and they are so fucking biased and ignorant. It's all the sameTalk about low-effort trolling
See, much better right? Was getting dicey there for a second, all safe now.Because I dont agree this memo is attempting to end democracy. Simple as that.
It’s not that surprising in that the his sort of rationalization is what I expect conservatives to do if/when the coup really happens. They will seriously be like ‘what coup?’Is this really surprising though? This is a guy who gives more credence to a propaganda film than actual facts and findings from an investigation. We aren’t exactly dealing with someone who is all there.
Look, all the memo said was that the guy who lost the election should throw out his opponents’ votes and declare himself the winner. Who could possibly view that as ending democrats?See, much better right? Was getting dicey there for a second, all safe now.
Because I dont agree this memo is attempting to end democracy. Simple as that.
I made the mistake at the end of 2020 of too blithely dismissing Trump’s chances of success because his lawsuits were so clownish. Turns out his real play is was to ignore the law entirely and it almost worked.
Trump is getting indicted.
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