The Eastman Memo, the coup memo

[zinfamous]

Because it was nothing more than talk. No action taken.

fuck, you're one blind motherfucker.

seriously, where've you been walking and looking at life, for the last 2 years?

 

[zinfamous]

Because I dont agree this memo is attempting to end democracy. Simple as that.

fuck you are fucking illiterate.

holy shit.

 

[MrSquished]

fuck, you're one blind motherfucker.

seriously, where've you been walking and looking at life, for the last 2 years?

He's not blind, he's a willful person willing to accept criminal acts by sheer willful ignorance. He is just about as good to society as a co-conspirator. Absolutely horrific people

 

[trenchfoot]

He's not blind, he's a willful person willing to accept criminal acts by sheer willful ignorance. He is just about as good to society as a co-conspirator. Absolutely horrific people

And there are literally millions of them. It's what Trump is banking on for a return to the throne.

 

[ch33zw1z]

He's not blind, he's a willful person willing to accept criminal acts by sheer willful ignorance. He is just about as good to society as a co-conspirator. Absolutely horrific people

Him, like the other conservative tap dancers around here, are really just A-OK with R brand of fascism. It's their tribe #winning. FYGM, thru and thru, America be damned.

 

[sportage]

What I'm hearing from a lot of people is that, they wish the insurrection would have been successful. They wish Nancy Pelosi would have been captured. They wish that Mike Pence would have been captured. And they don't care about the violence suffered by capitol police. In fact, they wish this would happen all over again and next time it would be done right.

There's a lot of hate out there for a lot of politicians, and hate on how things are going under Joe Biden. I find a lot of this is coming not from republicans but from my democrat friends that voted for Biden and voted for Obama, twice. They are not happy to say the least.
So I say, do not underestimate the hate and anger out there from both sides, no longer from only the Trumpie side. And that hate grows every day. Every time gas rises five cents the hate also rises. Every time the price for an item of food goes up a dollar (and that's about the going rate of increase per item) so do we see the rise in hate.

Trump will probably announce soon, and people have given up on anything Biden wants to do, but frankly I don't think either of the two has a chance in hell come 2024. I think that Trump is as bad off as people perceive Biden to be. If I were placing bets, I wouldn't waste my money on either of those two at this point.
The only way Trump can win is if his people can successfully rig the next election in his favor, but that too is a long shot for Trump.

You know what THAT means for 2024....?
That leaves us with either DeSantis or Rick Scott on the republican side, and who knows who on the democrat side.
And I'm already hearing a lot of Trump loyalist claiming they would gladly vote for Ron DeSantis in 2024 over Donald Trump. Many are counting on Ron DeSantis to run with their assuming Donald Trump has no chance. Sure, they want Trump involved and endorsing candidates, but as for their candidate for president they want Ron DeSantis hands down.
We're in for a real nightmare, but with the economy spinning out of control will anyone care about anything other than the economy?

 

[fskimospy]

Now do you believe me when I say we are headed for a slaughter in 2022 and beyond?

Let this sink in for a second - the only reason that 2020 failed was because:

1). Mike freaking Pence decided AT THE LAST SECOND AFTER CONSULTING WITH OTHERS to follow the law.

2). A handful of Secretaries of State didn't throw out votes, the same SoS that are now getting Trump-backed challengers for their jobs.

How much more fucked can we get?

We have long agreed that republicans are an existential threat to our democracy. I’ve always just tried to tether you to reality because you spin yourself up into hysterics.

I guess the easiest way to show you this is that I think they are a real threat and we should prosecute Trump to lessen that threat. You think Republicans will win more than 100% of contested senate seats and somehow impeach and remove Biden. My views are sane, yours are not.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Chuckles!

Dinesh D’Bozo hires crisis actors for his movies.

If anyone still believes this ‘2000 Mules’ nonsense please read this thorough pwning of D’Bozo where he admits his movie has zero evidence for its claims.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/17/discussing-gaps-2000-mules-with-dinesh-dsouza/

and this will never be a mind changing thing for millions of Americans just like blangst

 

[Amused]

How this thread is going:

 

[uclaLabrat]

How this thread is going:

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Can confirm, they do not, in fact, do this.

 

[HomerJS]

Because it was nothing more than talk. No action taken.

Was Charles Manson at the scene of the murders or take any actions himself? Yet he was charged.

And to go back to my bank analogy they were in the bank just didn't get the cash.

 

[fskimospy]

Now have reporting of contemporaneous statements by Trump that he knew he had lost.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1538559221972709377

Assuming that’s true his last plausible defense is severely undermined.

 

[fskimospy]

Was Charles Manson at the scene of the murders or take any actions himself? Yet he was charged.

And to go back to my bank analogy they were in the bank just didn't get the cash.

This is not that hard. What you need for a conspiracy to defraud the United States charge is:

1) an agreement to do something illegal that would prevent the valid function of government. This was Trump and associates agreeing on a plan to prevent the count of valid electoral votes.

2) a concrete step in furtherance of the plot to commit that crime. That was them pressuring Pence to illegally throw out votes.

That’s the charge.

 

[woolfe9998]

This is not that hard. What you need for a conspiracy to defraud the United States charge is:

1) an agreement to do something illegal that would prevent the valid function of government. This was Trump and associates agreeing on a plan to prevent the count of valid electoral votes.

2) a concrete step in furtherance of the plot to commit that crime. That was them pressuring Pence to illegally throw out votes.

That’s the charge.

Yes, and there's this conspiracy statute as well. This applies particularly in relation to Trump's conduct towards Pence and also towards the entire Senate. Elsewhere "officer" is defined as any employee of the federal government.

18 U.S.C. 372
If two or more persons in any State, Territory, Possession, or District conspire to prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof, or to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave the place, where his duties as an officer are required to be performed, or to injure him in his person or property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his office, or while engaged in the lawful discharge thereof, or to injure his property so as to molest, interrupt, hinder, or impede him in the discharge of his official duties, each of such persons shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six years, or both.

Hello Merrick Garland. Anyone home?

 

[fskimospy]

Yes, and there's this conspiracy statute as well. This applies particularly in relation to Trump's conduct towards Pence and also towards the entire Senate. Elsewhere "officer" is defined as any employee of the federal government.



Hello Merrick Garland. Anyone home?

I really do believe Trump will be charged by the end of the year.

 

[woolfe9998]

I really do believe Trump will be charged by the end of the year.

Since it will get dragged out, the sooner the better.

When I read these statutes I keep thinking I'm missing something, like it isn't as obvious as it appears to be on the face of the statute. The reason I keep wondering what I'm missing is because Garland hasn't done anything yet.

He's probably hung up on the intent requirement. He's wondering if they can really prove BRD he meant these specific things to happen. I say put your evidence in front of the jury and let them decide. Intent can be inferred from conduct. A defendant need not ever state outright that he has such precise intent.

They also need to charge Eastman, and probably Guiliani as well. Those two will flip on Trump rather than go to prison for whatever remains of their lives.

 

[fskimospy]

Since it will get dragged out, the sooner the better.

When I read these statutes I keep thinking I'm missing something, like it isn't as obvious as it appears to be on the face of the statute. The reason I keep wondering what I'm missing is because Garland hasn't done anything yet.

He's probably hung up on the intent requirement. He's wondering if they can really prove BRD he meant these specific things to happen. I say put your evidence in front of the jury and let them decide. Intent can be inferred from conduct. A defendant need not ever state outright that he has such precise intent.

I agree that’s his issue and I think conviction is not a certainty based on that. That being said I think this is a clearly meritorious case and charges should be brought.

 

[HomerJS]

How are you going to get an impartial jury?

That's the problem.

 

[fskimospy]

How are you going to get an impartial jury?

That's the problem.

It’s going to be a DC jury so if anything you are probably going to get one biased in favor of conviction. That being said, Trump only needs one juror.

 

[iRONic]

Talk about low-effort trolling

I dunno, mang. Umpteen replies to the shit-posting doofus shows a modicum of success.

 

[fskimospy]

I dunno, mang. Umpteen replies to the shit-posting doofus shows a modicum of success.

I don’t think he’s trolling. I think he identifies with republicans and is trying to find ways to justify his support for them. To do that you have to find ways to say that Trump’s attempted coup was really just normal politics.

 

[uclaLabrat]

I don’t think he’s trolling. I think he identifies with republicans and is trying to find ways to justify his support for them. To do that you have to find ways to say that Trump’s attempted coup was really just normal politics.

Like the quote "it can be nearly impossible for someone to understand something when their paycheck depends on them not understanding it"

 

[fskimospy]

Like the quote "it can be nearly impossible for someone to understand something when their paycheck depends on them not understanding it"

Exactly. People’s political identity is often deeply rooted in personal relationships, culture, maybe their job, etc. There are lots of incentives to stay with it and the easiest way to do that is to convince yourself that it’s not really that bad and that critics are being hysterical.

Trump attempted a coup and because admitting that would require abandoning your political identity or openly supporting fascism the preferred answer is to pretend it never happened.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

How are you going to get an impartial jury?

That's the problem.

Offer some sentinelese citizenship if they sit on the jury stand?

 

[thilanliyan]

Assuming that’s true his last plausible defense is severely undermined.

Trump defense: Well I lie about everything so that was a lie too...checkmate!!