The Cowardice of the Conservative

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Libertarians remind me of satan worshippers, they have the same ideals, read the satanic bible sometime, it is a libertarian handbook. Same self-serving BS, same irrational fallacys.

:laugh:

OMG that is great! Fsckin' hilarious. Thank you oh so very much for proving my point about communists and catholics.

"Heresy!! Heresy!!! Kill the heretics!!" Oh fsck that is too funny.

Oh BTW, did you know that the word heretic is derived from the Greek of "to choose." Oh so apropos...

What are you talking about? catholics and commies? wtf are you on about now?

Vic, you have to be one of the most whacked out poster here, and I even mean dave and zen too.

What is so difficult to understand? Your post about Libertarians being Satan worshippers is a classic example of proof your ideology is your religion and you must convert the masses! Otherwise Satan will get them and turn them into evil libertarians!

I have no crusade against libertarism, or individualsm, I was drawing a parallel of self-centeredness between the two idealogies, your religious beliefs on a fairy-tale concept of a satan figure is your own. Like I said, read it sometime, you will see that your own concepts of christianity you suppossedly uphold are nothing less then a silly perversity any fool like the author of the satanic bible could come up with to fool the masses concerned with their own well being above all else. Naive fools stuck in their anti-social world of gimmie mine screw you. Spoiled brats the lot of you, at least a year or so ago you still had the nuts to say you were republicans before the tide turned against you.

I think that you have a crusade is the only thing that can possibly explain your smear campaign of lies against libertarianism and individualism.
As for the rest of this post, you are once again making up other people's arguments for them, just to strike them down. I am not a Christian. Before I was a libertarian, I was a democrat.
And just for the record (because you seem to be continually and absolutely ignorant of all things political and civic), classical liberal libertarian = democrats before the democratic party became communist, paleoconservative libertarian = republicans before the republican party became fascist.

Heh. I fscking love the spoiled brat comment. Who is the spoiled brat? The small business owner who works and provides products and services or the lazy fsck who won't work except to use his vote to steal? Hint: I've never met any libertarian Satanists, but I have met a lot of communist/socialist Satanists. Stealing is selfishness. Freedom is the ultimate gift and expression of trust in your fellow human beings (who in your words are evil and corrupt and not to be trusted, a position which BTW entirely discredits your pretense of caring about people and humanity and puts you in your true light).

Get. a. clue.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Libertarians remind me of satan worshippers, they have the same ideals, read the satanic bible sometime, it is a libertarian handbook. Same self-serving BS, same irrational fallacys.

:laugh:

OMG that is great! Fsckin' hilarious. Thank you oh so very much for proving my point about communists and catholics.

"Heresy!! Heresy!!! Kill the heretics!!" Oh fsck that is too funny.

Oh BTW, did you know that the word heretic is derived from the Greek of "to choose." Oh so apropos...

What are you talking about? catholics and commies? wtf are you on about now?

Vic, you have to be one of the most whacked out poster here, and I even mean dave and zen too.

What is so difficult to understand? Your post about Libertarians being Satan worshippers is a classic example of proof your ideology is your religion and you must convert the masses! Otherwise Satan will get them and turn them into evil libertarians!

I have no crusade against libertarism, or individualsm, I was drawing a parallel of self-centeredness between the two idealogies, your religious beliefs on a fairy-tale concept of a satan figure is your own. Like I said, read it sometime, you will see that your own concepts of christianity you suppossedly uphold are nothing less then a silly perversity any fool like the author of the satanic bible could come up with to fool the masses concerned with their own well being above all else. Naive fools stuck in their anti-social world of gimmie mine screw you. Spoiled brats the lot of you, at least a year or so ago you still had the nuts to say you were republicans before the tide turned against you.

I think that you have a crusade is the only thing that can possibly explain your smear campaign of lies against libertarianism and individualism.
As for the rest of this post, you are once again making up other people's arguments for them, just to strike them down. I am not a Christian. Before I was a libertarian, I was a democrat.
And just for the record (because you seem to be continually and absolutely ignorant of all things political and civic), classical liberal libertarian = democrats before the democratic party became communist, paleoconservative libertarian = republicans before the republican party became fascist.

Heh. I fscking love the spoiled brat comment. Who is the spoiled brat? The small business owner who works and provides products and services or the lazy fsck who won't work except to use his vote to steal? Hint: I've never met any libertarian Satanists, but I have met a lot of communist/socialist Satanists. Stealing is selfishness. Freedom is the ultimate gift and expression of trust in your fellow human beings (who in your words are evil and corrupt and not to be trusted, a position which BTW entirely discredits your pretense of caring about people and humanity and puts you in your true light).

Get. a. clue.

Like I said, you are a dreamer, another hopeless anti-social libertarian authoritarist who thinks "freedom" is something we are all blessed with at birth, it is not, the human race will fall into chaos until a leader shows up. Either make it fair and elected or a rich tyrant, not everyone sees your ideas as freedom and will take advantage of this for their own "freedom" trampling others.

Libertarianism is a naive fools dream, or just a easy way to escape the modern stigma of being a conservative seeing how they have screwed up so much, nothing less.

Atlas shrugged, farted, and laughed at your naievity, and so do I.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
A corporation is the end all of capitalism.

No, it is not. You clearly don't even know what either a corporation or capitalism is. A corporation is collectivist government entity -- a legal fiction.
Capitalism is "an economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market."
As your initial premise was wrong, so was your entire argument, which is why I ignored it.

A corporation is capitalism doing what is natural, shrinking down and consuming competitors for max profit and a stranglehold on the market.

And yet only with government favor and assistance, which is contrary to both the ideals of capitalism and libertarianism.

Heh, so you WISH! Any company owner would love to be a monopoly holder when they get that greed dream going. Whatever it takes. Libertarism would more like bring us to one world corporation who dominates everything with no input from workers given time.

Contrary to beliefs all you want, reality is a b1tch, stalinism is no example of how marx invisioned communism to be either. Humans=corrupt.

I'm curious about this. Why don't you explain to us just HOW the libertarians would like to bring us this evil "one world corporation who dominates everything with no input from workers given time." I mean, you state this fecal-filled lie like it was some universal truth, when in fact it is completely opposite of what libertarians would want.
Do you really believe that we should accept your lies at face value? Do you really believe that just because you say something that makes it true?

:roll:

Same way naive believers thought that communism would become a utopia but it turned out the opposite. Human nature.

Humans are greedy and lazy, and easily led mostly, there has to be a system set up to protect the weak from others greed, otherwise we all lose out.

You didn't answer my question. You just may an unsubstantiated overgeneralization and then pretended that that proved your point.

Let me rephrase your first paragraph: "Same way naive believers thought that if we used violent force to protect the weak from greed (i.e. communism), we would have a utopia. What their sheep followers didn't realize is that collective violent force is power, not money (which is merely one way, among many, to acquire said force), and that it is this power that corrupts. So when they overthrew the old power systems, they simply put in a new one, but this time an unlimited one because its founders were blinded by unrealistic ideology."

As to your second paragraph, there is another ideology that believes exactly the same. That humans are inherently evil, and easily led to temptation, and that there has to be a way to protect them, or else we all be punished. It's called Catholicism.
They worship the church, you worship the state. Take away the symbols and there is no difference.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic


As to your second paragraph, there is another ideology that believes exactly the same. That humans are inherently evil, and easily led to temptation, and that there has to be a way to protect them, or else we all be punished. It's called Catholicism.
They worship the church, you worship the state. Take away the symbols and there is no difference.

Wow, you are sooooooo lost here, humans are not inherently evil, but the #1 goal of life is to look out for ones self, period.

AS for this other madness you spew

"if we used violent force to protect the weak from greed (i.e. communism), we would have a utopia."

You obvously know nothing of what communism was about, but I am not interested in debating the workers revoloution, it is a fools dream, just as much as libertarianism.

Please, save your fairy tales and dreaming, you are the one calling forth fairys in the sky with your libertarism mumbo-jumbo of a fair society through greed.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Like I said, you are a dreamer, another hopeless anti-social libertarian authoritarist who thinks "freedom" is something we are all blessed with at birth, it is not, the human race will fall into chaos until a leader shows up. Either make it fair and elected or a rich tyrant, not everyone sees your ideas as freedom and will take advantage of this for their own "freedom" trampling others.

Libertarianism is a naive fools dream, or just a easy way to escape the modern stigma of being a conservative seeing how they have screwed up so much, nothing less.

Atlas shrugged, farted, and laughed at your naievity, and so do I.

And you, in your ignorance and prejudice, hate people and want to punish them. Oh... and freedom is not anarchy, dumbass. It's fsckin' amazing how stupid, brainwashed, and full of self-loathing and self-serving lies you are.

Atlas Shrugged was a pretty crappy book btw. Ayn Rand was (understandably) bitter about ignorant cowardly self-serving sheep like yourself, but 2 wrongs still don't make a right.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Like I said, you are a dreamer, another hopeless anti-social libertarian authoritarist who thinks "freedom" is something we are all blessed with at birth, it is not, the human race will fall into chaos until a leader shows up. Either make it fair and elected or a rich tyrant, not everyone sees your ideas as freedom and will take advantage of this for their own "freedom" trampling others.

Libertarianism is a naive fools dream, or just a easy way to escape the modern stigma of being a conservative seeing how they have screwed up so much, nothing less.

Atlas shrugged, farted, and laughed at your naievity, and so do I.

And you, in your ignorance and prejudice, hate people and want to punish them. Oh... and freedom is not anarchy, dumbass. It's fsckin' amazing how stupid, brainwashed, and full of self-loathing and self-serving lies you are.

Atlas Shrugged was a pretty crappy book btw. Ayn Rand was (understandably) bitter about ignorant cowardly self-serving sheep like yourself, but 2 wrongs still don't make a right.

Who is punishing anyone? You are the one punishing me with your mindless rants in this thread, I am not even the OP, just pointing out how foolish the "utopian dream" is in reality. Either commie or libertarianism, the end result is pretty much the same, a totalitarian nightmare.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic


As to your second paragraph, there is another ideology that believes exactly the same. That humans are inherently evil, and easily led to temptation, and that there has to be a way to protect them, or else we all be punished. It's called Catholicism.
They worship the church, you worship the state. Take away the symbols and there is no difference.

Wow, you are sooooooo lost here, humans are not inherently evil, but the #1 goal of life is to look out for ones self, period.

AS for this other madness you spew

"if we used violent force to protect the weak from greed (i.e. communism), we would have a utopia."

You obvously know nothing of what communism was about, but I am not interested in debating the workers revoloution, it is a fools dream, just as much as libertarianism.

You clearly do not even bother to read what you post yourself, much less what I post.

 

[Steeplerot]

I never said "if we used violent force to protect the weak from greed (i.e. communism), we would have a utopia." you are twisting others words again in your mind.

If you are going to translate things into your warped view use your own words please.

Nothing more annoying then a self-righteous libertarian wanker, head full of unrealistic utopian dreams and heart of a greedy totalitarian pig.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Like I said, you are a dreamer, another hopeless anti-social libertarian authoritarist who thinks "freedom" is something we are all blessed with at birth, it is not, the human race will fall into chaos until a leader shows up. Either make it fair and elected or a rich tyrant, not everyone sees your ideas as freedom and will take advantage of this for their own "freedom" trampling others.

Libertarianism is a naive fools dream, or just a easy way to escape the modern stigma of being a conservative seeing how they have screwed up so much, nothing less.

Atlas shrugged, farted, and laughed at your naievity, and so do I.

And you, in your ignorance and prejudice, hate people and want to punish them. Oh... and freedom is not anarchy, dumbass. It's fsckin' amazing how stupid, brainwashed, and full of self-loathing and self-serving lies you are.

Atlas Shrugged was a pretty crappy book btw. Ayn Rand was (understandably) bitter about ignorant cowardly self-serving sheep like yourself, but 2 wrongs still don't make a right.

Who is punishing anyone? You are the one punishing me with your mindless rants in this thread, I am not even the OP, just pointing out how foolish the "utopian dream" is in reality.

Sigh. There is no utopia in libertarianism, dipsh!t. Quite the opposite, it's about letting go, letting be, live and let live, etc.

YOU are the one who said, "Humans are greedy and lazy, and easily led mostly, there has to be a system set up to protect the weak from others greed, otherwise we all lose out," and that is a utopian ideal.

I am not punishing you. You are punishing me. By forcing me to disprove your ridiculous lies, one at a time, one after another.

Wake. up.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic

There is no utopia in libertarianism, dipsh!t. Quite the opposite, it's about letting go, letting be, live and let live, etc.

Sure it is, then if so then stfu already about this libertarian junk. Noone cares but a few anti-social twits who cant get along anyhow.

Jeez at least when I debate dissipate about libertarianism he can discuss government structure, the reasons for the lack therof and socialogical aspects, you just rant about catholics and some hippie "get along and letting go" thing!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I never said "if we used violent force to protect the weak from greed (i.e. communism), we would have a utopia." you are twisting others words again in your mind.

If you are going to translate things into your warped view use your own words please.

Nothing more annoying then a self-righteous libertarian wanker, head full of unrealistic utopian dreams and heart of a greedy totalitarian pig.

You realize that the concepts of libertarianism and totalitarianism are diametrically opposed by their very definitions, right?

What are you going to try to make us believe next? That freedom is slavery, war is peace, ignorance is strength?

And if I was trying to deceptively twist your words, I sure did a bad job of it, as I clearly used the word "rephrase" there. LOL.

Wow. The most amazing thing to me is that it appears that you actually believe what you post. But please, keep going... you're making my arguments for me. I haven't laughed this hard in a while.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I never said "if we used violent force to protect the weak from greed (i.e. communism), we would have a utopia." you are twisting others words again in your mind.

If you are going to translate things into your warped view use your own words please.

Nothing more annoying then a self-righteous libertarian wanker, head full of unrealistic utopian dreams and heart of a greedy totalitarian pig.

You realize that the concepts of libertarianism and totalitarianism are diametrically opposed by their very definitions, right?

What are you going to try to make us believe next? That freedom is slavery, war is peace, ignorance is strength?

As I pointed out long ago, neither is marxism totalitarism, but look at how bad things turned out from a few idealistic fools.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

There is no utopia in libertarianism, dipsh!t. Quite the opposite, it's about letting go, letting be, live and let live, etc.

Sure it is, then if so then stfu already about this libertarian junk. Noone cares but a few anti-social twits who cant get along anyhow.

Jeez at least when I debate dissipate about libertarianism he can discuss government structure, the reasons for the lack therof and socialogical aspects, you just rant about catholics and some hippie "get along and letting go" thing!

In case you missed it, you were the one who came in trolling with lies about libertarianism in a thread about (OMG!) libertarianism. So why the fsck would I shut up already about this libertarian junk in this thread about libertarianism? And if no one cares, then why are you working so hard to smear libertarian with a never-ending flood of lies? Seems to me that you care a great deal.

As to the rest, you attacked my post to Moonie about the psychological aspects involved here, so that was what I was discussing. Duh. To quote Moonie, I suggest you go look in a mirror.

 

[Steeplerot]

R-e-a-l-i-t-y try it sometime. marxism/libertarism are the same thing in the end, a utopian individual-governing society that without a state, just libertarism is too chickensh1t to stand up for a revoloution which would be step 1 thus libertarism will never get anywhere.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I never said "if we used violent force to protect the weak from greed (i.e. communism), we would have a utopia." you are twisting others words again in your mind.

If you are going to translate things into your warped view use your own words please.

Nothing more annoying then a self-righteous libertarian wanker, head full of unrealistic utopian dreams and heart of a greedy totalitarian pig.

You realize that the concepts of libertarianism and totalitarianism are diametrically opposed by their very definitions, right?

What are you going to try to make us believe next? That freedom is slavery, war is peace, ignorance is strength?

As I pointed out long ago, neither is marxism totalitarism, but look at how bad things turned out from a few idealistic fools.

R-e-a-l-i-t-y try it sometime. marxism/libertarism are the same thing in the end, just libertarism is too chickensh1t to stand up for a revoloution which would be step 1.

The r-e-a-l-i-t-y of libertarianism has been in experiment (since its own revolution) for 230 years, and (while it has strayed a bit from the ideal) totalitarianism has not yet occurred. OTOH, it only took Marxism 5 years to fall into totalitarianism.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I never said "if we used violent force to protect the weak from greed (i.e. communism), we would have a utopia." you are twisting others words again in your mind.

If you are going to translate things into your warped view use your own words please.

Nothing more annoying then a self-righteous libertarian wanker, head full of unrealistic utopian dreams and heart of a greedy totalitarian pig.

You realize that the concepts of libertarianism and totalitarianism are diametrically opposed by their very definitions, right?

What are you going to try to make us believe next? That freedom is slavery, war is peace, ignorance is strength?

As I pointed out long ago, neither is marxism totalitarism, but look at how bad things turned out from a few idealistic fools.

R-e-a-l-i-t-y try it sometime. marxism/libertarism are the same thing in the end, just libertarism is too chickensh1t to stand up for a revoloution which would be step 1.

The r-e-a-l-i-t-y of libertarianism has been in experiment (since its own revolution) for 230 years, and totalitarianism has not yet occurred. OTOH, it only took Marxism 5 years to fall into totalitarianism.

Get back to me when a libertarian actually wins something outside of being a mayor ok? I dont see that happening though, its a utopian marxistesque dream far too drastic to do without a revoloution, which libertarians lack, thus you are expecting a handout. Typical spoiled brats.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I never said "if we used violent force to protect the weak from greed (i.e. communism), we would have a utopia." you are twisting others words again in your mind.

If you are going to translate things into your warped view use your own words please.

Nothing more annoying then a self-righteous libertarian wanker, head full of unrealistic utopian dreams and heart of a greedy totalitarian pig.

You realize that the concepts of libertarianism and totalitarianism are diametrically opposed by their very definitions, right?

What are you going to try to make us believe next? That freedom is slavery, war is peace, ignorance is strength?

As I pointed out long ago, neither is marxism totalitarism, but look at how bad things turned out from a few idealistic fools.

R-e-a-l-i-t-y try it sometime. marxism/libertarism are the same thing in the end, just libertarism is too chickensh1t to stand up for a revoloution which would be step 1.

The r-e-a-l-i-t-y of libertarianism has been in experiment (since its own revolution) for 230 years, and totalitarianism has not yet occurred. OTOH, it only took Marxism 5 years to fall into totalitarianism.

Get back to me when a libertarian actually wins something outside of being a mayor ok?

Your ignorance of history is astounding. Classical liberal presidents have included Jefferson, Madison, and Jackson.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I never said "if we used violent force to protect the weak from greed (i.e. communism), we would have a utopia." you are twisting others words again in your mind.

If you are going to translate things into your warped view use your own words please.

Nothing more annoying then a self-righteous libertarian wanker, head full of unrealistic utopian dreams and heart of a greedy totalitarian pig.

You realize that the concepts of libertarianism and totalitarianism are diametrically opposed by their very definitions, right?

What are you going to try to make us believe next? That freedom is slavery, war is peace, ignorance is strength?

As I pointed out long ago, neither is marxism totalitarism, but look at how bad things turned out from a few idealistic fools.

R-e-a-l-i-t-y try it sometime. marxism/libertarism are the same thing in the end, just libertarism is too chickensh1t to stand up for a revoloution which would be step 1.

The r-e-a-l-i-t-y of libertarianism has been in experiment (since its own revolution) for 230 years, and totalitarianism has not yet occurred. OTOH, it only took Marxism 5 years to fall into totalitarianism.

Get back to me when a libertarian actually wins something outside of being a mayor ok?

Your ignorance of history is astounding. Classical liberal presidents have included Jefferson, Madison, and Jackson.

They sure did a lot for libertarianism huh? I think you have selective perception is the problem. Libertarians :laugh:

You idealists, commies, libertarians all the same dreamers claiming everyone was one back in the day handpicking a few quotes.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I never said "if we used violent force to protect the weak from greed (i.e. communism), we would have a utopia." you are twisting others words again in your mind.

If you are going to translate things into your warped view use your own words please.

Nothing more annoying then a self-righteous libertarian wanker, head full of unrealistic utopian dreams and heart of a greedy totalitarian pig.

You realize that the concepts of libertarianism and totalitarianism are diametrically opposed by their very definitions, right?

What are you going to try to make us believe next? That freedom is slavery, war is peace, ignorance is strength?

As I pointed out long ago, neither is marxism totalitarism, but look at how bad things turned out from a few idealistic fools.

R-e-a-l-i-t-y try it sometime. marxism/libertarism are the same thing in the end, just libertarism is too chickensh1t to stand up for a revoloution which would be step 1.

The r-e-a-l-i-t-y of libertarianism has been in experiment (since its own revolution) for 230 years, and totalitarianism has not yet occurred. OTOH, it only took Marxism 5 years to fall into totalitarianism.

Get back to me when a libertarian actually wins something outside of being a mayor ok?

Your ignorance of history is astounding. Classical liberal presidents have included Jefferson, Madison, and Jackson.

They sure did a lot for libertarianism huh? I think you have selective perception is the problem.

Yes, they did. Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, Madison the US Constitution (both are hugely groundbreaking papers in human rights, and you should well know), and Jackson dissolved the corporate central banking institution of the time.

Educate yourself. Please. We're sick of your ignorance and your trolling.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic

Educate yourself. Please. We're sick of your ignorance and your trolling.

Who is we? A few suburbanite americans with their heads up their ass? I could care less.

Like I said, handpicked quotes, no better then endless commie drivel.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
You idealists, commies, libertarians all the same dreamers claiming everyone was one back in the day handpicking a few quotes.

And which of those are you?

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Humans are greedy and lazy, and easily led mostly, there has to be a system set up to protect the weak from others greed, otherwise we all lose out.

That is the biggest apology for a utopian ideal that I have ever heard.

 

[Steeplerot]

Your the one spouting utopian nonsense.

From your link:
I love the seperation of "business and state"


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Give me a break, now that is going to work well! (Well at least for the rich!) Sure worked great when we had no labor unions and kids worked 12 hour days in factories. You whackos really crack me up.

Would you sell your own ass too? Privatize your mom? You betcha!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Educate yourself. Please. We're sick of your ignorance and your trolling.

Who is we? A few suburbanite americans with their heads up their ass? I could care less.

Like I said, handpicked quotes, no better then endless commie drivel.

I love the seperation of buisess and state


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Give me a break, now that is going to work well. Sure worked great when we had no labor unions and kids worked 12 hour days in factories. You whackos really crack me up.

So what you're saying is that labor unions would dissolve without government protection? Or that forcing kids to work 12 hour days in factories would not be a violation of individual sovereignty and basic human rights?

Either you didn't read it (which is likely) or your brainwashed mind is unable to understand it so you attack it with lies out of fear (which is also likely, so it might be both).

edit: that platform clearly said, "We support the right of free persons to voluntarily establish, associate in, or not associate in, labor unions."
So where is this attack on labor unions that you pretend to see?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Educate yourself. Please. We're sick of your ignorance and your trolling.

Who is we? A few suburbanite americans with their heads up their ass? I could care less.

Like I said, handpicked quotes, no better then endless commie drivel.

I love the seperation of buisess and state


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Give me a break, now that is going to work well. Sure worked great when we had no labor unions and kids worked 12 hour days in factories. You whackos really crack me up.

So what you're saying is that labor unions would dissolve without government protection? Or that forcing kids to work 12 hour days in factories would not be a violation of individual sovereignty and basic human rights?

Either you didn't read it (which is likely) or your brainwashed mind is unable to understand it so you attack it with lies out of fear (which is also likely, so it might be both).

Yes, labor unions would be gone without gov to step in, company hires thugs to run off union ppl, been done forever. The bosses and the workers will always be at odds, and always will. They both want to make a living off one another. Company has power/workers only have labor to negotiate. It is a predatory relationship.

Without someone to step in for the little guy it is obvious who wins.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Yes, labor unions would be gone without gov to step in, company hires thugs to run off union ppl, been done forever.

Yep, and then that company acheives record profits when they have no workers, right?

edit to your edit:

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
The bosses and the workers will always be at odds, and always will. They both want to make a living off one another. Company has power/workers only have labor to negotiate. It is a predatory relationship.

Without someone to step in for the little guy it is obvious who wins.

It's funny, for a person who claims to make fun of marxism, you quote Marx almost exactly. And this is all untrue and firmly disproven. All capital is derived from labor. Without labor, no capital would exist. This isn't a chicken and the egg thing. There is no dispute. If no one labors to build a thing, then that thing doesn't exist. For purposes of your own hate, you divide people into separate classes that are otherwise entirely imaginary.