The Cowardice of the Conservative

[Steeplerot]

I am not one in the same with some plot of land I live in with arbitrary borders, it reflects upon me but not on who I am, nor do I condone the admins BS.

Please, get off your self-righteous soapbox, you have been owned in here daily with your drivel and the only few far-right wingnuts in here besides you are pretty much scraping the bottom of the barrel, nothing to be proud of, if not totally embarressing for yourselves.

Anyhow, back to the OP, libertarianism is nothing more then personal greed x100, a celebration of greed and self-centeredness, and everything that is corruptable about humanity.

How did chavez come up in here? wtf?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
We are still waiting for your wit, or at least a rational thought of your own.

Try reading some, figuring out where you stand, are you some libertarian? a fascist right winger? a fence sitter on social issues? Or just out to throw ideas, if so then dont act like your ideas are set in stone, you are a pretty confused sort.

Here, lets try again:

libertarians and commies are the same deal, one thinks we can all work together for utopia and the other thinks that your own personal greed can make it.
Either way they are fools.

We all need to think for ourselves while working together.

:roll:

I am a freethinker. If I must be pigeonholed (as you insist) and if being pigeonholed is some kind of requirement (as you imply), then I am a classical liberal (aka a left-leaning libertarian, "conservative" on economic issues but extremely "liberal" on social issues). My positions are well known here.

As to your "let's try again," I already soundly disproved that, which must be why you ignored it.

How about mine: communists and medieval catholics are the same deal, both think that the use of violence is a morally acceptable way to force the world to their personal ideal.

 

[Genx87]

Vic: Dont forget his love affair with eliminating the car in favor of trains, because cars are an outdated form of transportation lmao.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I am not one in the same with some plot of land I live in with arbitrary borders, it reflects upon me but not on who I am, nor do I condone the admins BS.

Please, get off your self-righteous soapbox, you have been owned in here daily with your drivel and the only few far-right wingnuts in here besides you are pretty much scraping the bottom of the barrel, nothing to be proud of, if not totally embarressing for yourselves.

Anyhow, back to the OP, libertarianism is nothing more then personal greed x100, a celebration of greed and self-centeredness, and everything that is corruptable about humanity.

How did chavez come up in here? wtf?

It must be amazing to be such an idiot that you believe your own lies.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
We are still waiting for your wit, or at least a rational thought of your own.

Try reading some, figuring out where you stand, are you some libertarian? a fascist right winger? a fence sitter on social issues? Or just out to throw ideas, if so then dont act like your ideas are set in stone, you are a pretty confused sort.

Here, lets try again:

libertarians and commies are the same deal, one thinks we can all work together for utopia and the other thinks that your own personal greed can make it.
Either way they are fools.

We all need to think for ourselves while working together.

:roll:

I am a freethinker. If I must be pigeonholed (as you insist) and if being pigeonholed is some kind of requirement (as you imply), then I am a classical liberal (aka a left-leaning libertarian, "conservative" on economic issues but extremely "liberal" on social issues). My positions are well known here.

As to your "let's try again," I already soundly disproved that, which must be why you ignored it.

How about mine: communists and medieval catholics are the same deal, both think that the use of violence is a morally acceptable way to force the world to their personal ideal.

I have never heard any liberal or progressive say anyone HAD to conform to anything. if you were a free thinker then your brain got lost in a very big maze long ago.

Try breadcrumbs, you wont get so lost next time as to where the rational place it is that you came from.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Vic: Dont forget his love affair with eliminating the car in favor of trains, because cars are an outdated form of transportation lmao.

To the communist, people are sheep. To be forced, controlled, and herded according to their own personal desires, yet all under the doublethink of the "common good". Every communist imagines himself the benevolent leader, the good Stalin.

The arguments about greed and self-centeredness are fsckin' hilarious as hell when you realize that rot is arguing in favor of collective violent force and against passive non-interventionist non-violence.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
We are still waiting for your wit, or at least a rational thought of your own.

Try reading some, figuring out where you stand, are you some libertarian? a fascist right winger? a fence sitter on social issues? Or just out to throw ideas, if so then dont act like your ideas are set in stone, you are a pretty confused sort.

Here, lets try again:

libertarians and commies are the same deal, one thinks we can all work together for utopia and the other thinks that your own personal greed can make it.
Either way they are fools.

We all need to think for ourselves while working together.

:roll:

I am a freethinker. If I must be pigeonholed (as you insist) and if being pigeonholed is some kind of requirement (as you imply), then I am a classical liberal (aka a left-leaning libertarian, "conservative" on economic issues but extremely "liberal" on social issues). My positions are well known here.

As to your "let's try again," I already soundly disproved that, which must be why you ignored it.

How about mine: communists and medieval catholics are the same deal, both think that the use of violence is a morally acceptable way to force the world to their personal ideal.

I have never heard any liberal or progressive say anyone HAD to conform to anything. if you were a free thinker then your brain got lost in a very big maze long ago.

Try breadcrumbs, you wont get so lost next time as to where the rational place it is that you came from.

You just said so. I bolded it for you.

I suggest you try some kind of de-brainwashing technique... get help or therapy or whatever.

 

[Genx87]

Anyhow, back to the OP, libertarianism is nothing more then personal greed x100, a celebration of greed and self-centeredness, and everything that is corruptable about humanity.

You mean individualism, and yes people are corruptable, even your beloved communists.
What do you propose? A govt entity to forcefully save us from our self evilness?

You are starting to sound like the clergy.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Genx87
Vic: Dont forget his love affair with eliminating the car in favor of trains, because cars are an outdated form of transportation lmao.

To the communist, people are sheep. To be forced, controlled, and herded according to their own desires. Every communist imagines himself the benevolent leader, the good Stalin.

The arguments about greed and self-centeredness are fsckin' hilarious as hell when you realize that rot is arguing in favor collective violent force and against passive non-interventionist non-violence.

And you make no sense whatsoever,

"passive non-interventionist non-violence" who is that? libertarians? yeah right, company run corruption filled mercenary states are so peaceful. :roll:

Like any libertarian has ever gained ground in anything, matter of fact growing up is the best cure for utopian dreams from both sides.
who here is a actual commie? does china even allow people onto AT? Get a grip and come back to this planet.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Anyhow, back to the OP, libertarianism is nothing more then personal greed x100, a celebration of greed and self-centeredness, and everything that is corruptable about humanity.

You mean individualism, and yes people are corruptable, even your beloved communists.
What do you propose? A govt entity to forcefully save us from our self evilness?

You are starting to sound like the clergy.

That is exactly what he would propose, and had proposed over and over again before.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Anyhow, back to the OP, libertarianism is nothing more then personal greed x100, a celebration of greed and self-centeredness, and everything that is corruptable about humanity.

You mean individualism, and yes people are corruptable, even your beloved communists.
What do you propose? A govt entity to forcefully save us from our self evilness?

You are starting to sound like the clergy.

A government accountable to the people on a whole is the answer, individualism works well for personal reasons but does not serve all. That is unless you come from a background where you dont really know a community to be part of, then I could see how this fantasy utopia might work in your twisted heads. Libertarism = mass sociopathic self centered twits.

This is why people grow out of such silly utopian dreams.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Genx87
Vic: Dont forget his love affair with eliminating the car in favor of trains, because cars are an outdated form of transportation lmao.

To the communist, people are sheep. To be forced, controlled, and herded according to their own desires. Every communist imagines himself the benevolent leader, the good Stalin.

The arguments about greed and self-centeredness are fsckin' hilarious as hell when you realize that rot is arguing in favor collective violent force and against passive non-interventionist non-violence.

And you make no sense whatsoever,

"passive non-interventionist non-violence" who is that? libertarians? yeah right, company run corruption filled mercenary states are so peaceful. :roll:

Like any libertarian has ever gained ground in anything, matter of fact growing up is the best cure for utopian dreams from both sides.
who here is a actual commie? does china even allow people onto AT? Get a grip and come back to this planet.

You are unbelievably confused. Corporations are collectivist, NOT libertarian, by definition. As a libertarian party member, I have never once in my life met a libertarian who is pro-corporation. China is a communism evoilving towards a fascism, both as far from libertarianism as one can be. Libertarian never gain ground in anything? Who were the Founding Fathers? Chopped liver? It amusing how you can distort fact into fiction and then pretend it's all a difference of opinion.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Genx87
Vic: Dont forget his love affair with eliminating the car in favor of trains, because cars are an outdated form of transportation lmao.

To the communist, people are sheep. To be forced, controlled, and herded according to their own desires. Every communist imagines himself the benevolent leader, the good Stalin.

The arguments about greed and self-centeredness are fsckin' hilarious as hell when you realize that rot is arguing in favor collective violent force and against passive non-interventionist non-violence.

And you make no sense whatsoever,

"passive non-interventionist non-violence" who is that? libertarians? yeah right, company run corruption filled mercenary states are so peaceful. :roll:

Like any libertarian has ever gained ground in anything, matter of fact growing up is the best cure for utopian dreams from both sides.
who here is a actual commie? does china even allow people onto AT? Get a grip and come back to this planet.

You are unbelievably confused. Corporations are collectivist, NOT libertarian, by definition. As a libertarian party member, I have never once in my life met a libertarian who is pro-corporation. China is a communism evoilving towards a fascism, both as far from libertarianism as one can be. Libertarian never gain ground in anything? Who were the Founding Fathers? Chopped liver? It amusing how you can distort fact into fiction and then pretend it's all a difference of opinion.

A corporation is the end all of capitalism. Which is good in a way and very dangerous as to what freedoms let them come together, people are too lazy in reality for communism and too greedy for libertarinism, in the end it is corruption and human nature that wins out.

I am sure some are plain disgusted and want to act as if they can go about the world and take care of their own, but that does not work, only for those who are given a leg up in the first place to buy their way through life. (or those too sheltered from reality to think they would make a difference)

That is called copping out, and a sign of a coward.

Libertarians remind me of satan worshippers, they have the same ideals, read the satanic bible sometime, it is a libertarian handbook. Same self-serving BS, same irrational fallacys.

In the end, the weaker must be looked out for, as they have their own contributions that may not be profitable in the short-term, this is what seperates us from animals.

 

[IdaGno]

"There's not a dime's worth of difference between Republicans and Democrats." - some southern redneck "Independent" cracker from way back in the early '70's

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
A corporation is the end all of capitalism.

No, it is not. You clearly don't even know what either a corporation or capitalism is. A corporation is collectivist government entity -- a legal fiction.
Capitalism is "an economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market."
As your initial premise was wrong, so was your entire argument, which is why I ignored it.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Genx87

Anyhow, back to the OP, libertarianism is nothing more then personal greed x100, a celebration of greed and self-centeredness, and everything that is corruptable about humanity.

You mean individualism, and yes people are corruptable, even your beloved communists.
What do you propose? A govt entity to forcefully save us from our self evilness?

You are starting to sound like the clergy.

A government accountable to the people on a whole is the answer, individualism works well for personal reasons but does not serve all. That is unless you come from a background where you dont really know a community to be part of, then I could see how this fantasy utopia might work in your twisted heads. Libertarism = mass sociopathic self centered twits.

This is why people grow out of such silly utopian dreams.

I ask you what you propose to stop people from being self centered and evil, and you tell me a govt accountable to the people? Then you tell me individualism doesnt work for the betterment of society? Are you usually this confused in your own arguments?

How can a govt that is based on being accountable to the people be anything but individualistic oriented? The people will control the govt and mold it to their liking, which can be self centered and individualistic. It is the nature of the beast as you have said before.

Your crusade to strip the people of this individualism, ability to be self centered, and corrupted will result in the same authoritarian regimes from Stalins communism to the catholic church in the middle ages. Stripping the rights of human freedom and imposing your dream on the population.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
A corporation is the end all of capitalism.

No, it is not. You clearly don't even know what either a corporation or capitalism is. A corporation is collectivist government entity -- a legal fiction.
Capitalism is "an economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market."
As your initial premise was wrong, so was your entire argument, which is why I ignored it.

A corporation is capitalism doing what is natural, shrinking down and consuming competitors for max profit and a stranglehold on the market.

It is how a free market works, when it comes to money why would you not consume your competitors, in the end they are taking your money.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Libertarians remind me of satan worshippers, they have the same ideals, read the satanic bible sometime, it is a libertarian handbook. Same self-serving BS, same irrational fallacys.

:laugh:

OMG that is great! Fsckin' hilarious. Thank you oh so very much for proving my point about communists and catholics.

"Heresy!! Heresy!!! Kill the heretics!!" Oh fsck that is too funny.

Oh BTW, did you know that the word heretic is derived from the Greek of "to choose." Oh so apropos...

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
A corporation is the end all of capitalism.

No, it is not. You clearly don't even know what either a corporation or capitalism is. A corporation is collectivist government entity -- a legal fiction.
Capitalism is "an economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market."
As your initial premise was wrong, so was your entire argument, which is why I ignored it.

A corporation is capitalism doing what is natural, shrinking down and consuming competitors for max profit and a stranglehold on the market.

And yet only with government favor and assistance, which is contrary to both the ideals of capitalism and libertarianism.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
A corporation is the end all of capitalism.

No, it is not. You clearly don't even know what either a corporation or capitalism is. A corporation is collectivist government entity -- a legal fiction.
Capitalism is "an economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market."
As your initial premise was wrong, so was your entire argument, which is why I ignored it.

A corporation is capitalism doing what is natural, shrinking down and consuming competitors for max profit and a stranglehold on the market.

And yet only with government favor and assistance, which is contrary to both the ideals of capitalism and libertarianism.

Heh, so you WISH! Any company owner would love to be a monopoly holder when they get that greed dream going. Whatever it takes. Libertarism would more like bring us to one world corporation who dominates everything with no input from workers given time.

Contrary to beliefs all you want, reality is a b1tch, stalinism is no example of how marx invisioned communism to be either. Humans=corrupt.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Libertarians remind me of satan worshippers, they have the same ideals, read the satanic bible sometime, it is a libertarian handbook. Same self-serving BS, same irrational fallacys.

:laugh:

OMG that is great! Fsckin' hilarious. Thank you oh so very much for proving my point about communists and catholics.

"Heresy!! Heresy!!! Kill the heretics!!" Oh fsck that is too funny.

Oh BTW, did you know that the word heretic is derived from the Greek of "to choose." Oh so apropos...

What are you talking about? catholics and commies? wtf are you on about now?

Vic, you have to be one of the most whacked out poster here, and I even mean dave and zen too.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Libertarians remind me of satan worshippers, they have the same ideals, read the satanic bible sometime, it is a libertarian handbook. Same self-serving BS, same irrational fallacys.

:laugh:

OMG that is great! Fsckin' hilarious. Thank you oh so very much for proving my point about communists and catholics.

"Heresy!! Heresy!!! Kill the heretics!!" Oh fsck that is too funny.

Oh BTW, did you know that the word heretic is derived from the Greek of "to choose." Oh so apropos...

What are you talking about? catholics and commies? wtf are you on about now?

Vic, you have to be one of the most whacked out poster here, and I even mean dave and zen too.

What is so difficult to understand? Your post about Libertarians being Satan worshippers is a classic example of proof your ideology is your religion and you must convert the masses! Otherwise Satan will get them and turn them into evil libertarians!

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Libertarians remind me of satan worshippers, they have the same ideals, read the satanic bible sometime, it is a libertarian handbook. Same self-serving BS, same irrational fallacys.

:laugh:

OMG that is great! Fsckin' hilarious. Thank you oh so very much for proving my point about communists and catholics.

"Heresy!! Heresy!!! Kill the heretics!!" Oh fsck that is too funny.

Oh BTW, did you know that the word heretic is derived from the Greek of "to choose." Oh so apropos...

What are you talking about? catholics and commies? wtf are you on about now?

Vic, you have to be one of the most whacked out poster here, and I even mean dave and zen too.

What is so difficult to understand? Your post about Libertarians being Satan worshippers is a classic example of proof your ideology is your religion and you must convert the masses! Otherwise Satan will get them and turn them into evil libertarians!

I have no crusade against libertarism, or individualsm, I was drawing a parallel of self-centeredness between the two idealogies, your religious beliefs on a fairy-tale concept of a satan figure is your own. Like I said, read it sometime, you will see that your own concepts of christianity you suppossedly uphold are nothing less then a silly perversity any fool like the author of the satanic bible could come up with to fool the masses concerned with their own well being above all else. Naive fools stuck in their anti-social world of gimmie mine screw you. Spoiled brats the lot of you, at least a year or so ago you still had the nuts to say you were republicans before the tide turned against you.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
A corporation is the end all of capitalism.

No, it is not. You clearly don't even know what either a corporation or capitalism is. A corporation is collectivist government entity -- a legal fiction.
Capitalism is "an economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market."
As your initial premise was wrong, so was your entire argument, which is why I ignored it.

A corporation is capitalism doing what is natural, shrinking down and consuming competitors for max profit and a stranglehold on the market.

And yet only with government favor and assistance, which is contrary to both the ideals of capitalism and libertarianism.

Heh, so you WISH! Any company owner would love to be a monopoly holder when they get that greed dream going. Whatever it takes. Libertarism would more like bring us to one world corporation who dominates everything with no input from workers given time.

Contrary to beliefs all you want, reality is a b1tch, stalinism is no example of how marx invisioned communism to be either. Humans=corrupt.

I'm curious about this. Why don't you explain to us just HOW the libertarians would like to bring us this evil "one world corporation who dominates everything with no input from workers given time." I mean, you state this fecal-filled lie like it was some universal truth, when in fact it is completely opposite of what libertarians would want.
Do you really believe that we should accept your lies at face value? Do you really believe that just because you say something that makes it true?

:roll:

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
A corporation is the end all of capitalism.

No, it is not. You clearly don't even know what either a corporation or capitalism is. A corporation is collectivist government entity -- a legal fiction.
Capitalism is "an economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market."
As your initial premise was wrong, so was your entire argument, which is why I ignored it.

A corporation is capitalism doing what is natural, shrinking down and consuming competitors for max profit and a stranglehold on the market.

And yet only with government favor and assistance, which is contrary to both the ideals of capitalism and libertarianism.

Heh, so you WISH! Any company owner would love to be a monopoly holder when they get that greed dream going. Whatever it takes. Libertarism would more like bring us to one world corporation who dominates everything with no input from workers given time.

Contrary to beliefs all you want, reality is a b1tch, stalinism is no example of how marx invisioned communism to be either. Humans=corrupt.

I'm curious about this. Why don't you explain to us just HOW the libertarians would like to bring us this evil "one world corporation who dominates everything with no input from workers given time." I mean, you state this fecal-filled lie like it was some universal truth, when in fact it is completely opposite of what libertarians would want.
Do you really believe that we should accept your lies at face value? Do you really believe that just because you say something that makes it true?

:roll:

Same way naive believers thought that communism would become a utopia but it turned out the opposite. Human nature.

Humans are greedy and lazy, and easily led mostly, there has to be a system set up to protect the weak from others greed, otherwise we all lose out.