The Cowardice of the Conservative

[Steeplerot]

Workers must work, there is no choice, this is a big flaw in your whole mindset, so one group is fed up and leaves, thus another group comes in.

In the end the boss wins, always if there is no protection. I dont see how you libertarians think somehow some magical money god will make the human race not be just like they always have, maybe brainwashing? mind control?

It is fine and all to be naive and say sure bosses will always pay good/not pollute/pricefix/monopolize etc if there is no government even though they can damn well do what they please and if workers dont like it they can leave, but if you think so I got a bridge to sell you.

More like the workers in a one industry governmentless town get fed up with the bosses greed and sieze the company and hang the boss. Then you have a worker revoloution! oops, now your a commie.


And do you really think anyone would CARE how a company treats its workers when making buying choices? Hell no. Look at nike. They use third world slave labor at times and it has not hurt crap for sales, if anything pure profit have made a bad situation even worse becasue money=power, more market exposure and more volume to dump in markets.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Workers must work, there is no choice, this is a big flaw in your whole mindset, so one group is fed up and leaves, thus another group comes in.

In the end the boss wins, always if there is no protection. I dont see how you libertarians think somehow some magical money god will make the human race not be just like they always have, maybe brainwashing? mind control?

It is fine and all to be naive and say sure bosses will always pay good/not pollute/pricefix/monopolize etc if there is no government even though they can damn well do what they please and if workers dont like it they can leave, but if you think so I got a bridge to sell you.

Workers must work because the government you worship favors the rich and forces the poor to pay an ever-increasing burden of taxation, whose proceeds predominately go to those rich. Accumulation of any liquid wealth or savings to see a worker past a paycheck or 2 is discouraged and heavily punished (economically), thus forcing the worker to keep borrowing and keep working under the terms that the rich and their government dictate.

The big flaw in your whole mindset is that you are ignorant and naive, and incapable of independent thought, and thus just parrot without questioning whatever bullsh!t your particular symbolistic ideology group tells you to parrot. Symbols and labels appear to be the uppermost limit of your intelligence.


Oh btw: the whole point is there is no god. You're one demanding that someone do something. You're the one praying to a higher power or some authority to control those aspects of reality that you see as undesirable. You're the one who says that humanity has to be saved from its sins. Remember what you said:

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Humans are greedy and lazy, and easily led mostly, there has to be a system set up to protect the weak from others greed, otherwise we all lose out.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Workers must work, there is no choice, this is a big flaw in your whole mindset, so one group is fed up and leaves, thus another group comes in.

In the end the boss wins, always if there is no protection. I dont see how you libertarians think somehow some magical money god will make the human race not be just like they always have, maybe brainwashing? mind control?

It is fine and all to be naive and say sure bosses will always pay good/not pollute/pricefix/monopolize etc if there is no government even though they can damn well do what they please and if workers dont like it they can leave, but if you think so I got a bridge to sell you.

Workers must work because the government you worship favors the rich and forces the poor to pay an ever-increasing burden of taxation, whose proceeds predominately go to those rich. Accumulation of any liquid wealth or savings to see a worker past a paycheck or 2 is discouraged and heavily punished (economically), thus forcing the worker to keep borrowing and keep working under the terms that the rich and their government dictate.

The big flaw in your whole mindset is that you are ignorant and naive, and incapable of independent thought, and thus just parrot without questioning whatever bullsh!t your particular symbolistic ideology group tells you to parrot. Symbols and labels appear to be the uppermost limit of your intelligence.

So workers only work becasue they are wage slaves? SO thus taking away this burden would lead to noone having to work, damn you are a bigger commie then I thought vic!

Pack a bowl dude! Slackariffic! you are getting more and more marxist utopian every post heh.

What next? each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Workers must work, there is no choice, this is a big flaw in your whole mindset, so one group is fed up and leaves, thus another group comes in.

In the end the boss wins, always if there is no protection. I dont see how you libertarians think somehow some magical money god will make the human race not be just like they always have, maybe brainwashing? mind control?

It is fine and all to be naive and say sure bosses will always pay good/not pollute/pricefix/monopolize etc if there is no government even though they can damn well do what they please and if workers dont like it they can leave, but if you think so I got a bridge to sell you.

Workers must work because the government you worship favors the rich and forces the poor to pay an ever-increasing burden of taxation, whose proceeds predominately go to those rich. Accumulation of any liquid wealth or savings to see a worker past a paycheck or 2 is discouraged and heavily punished (economically), thus forcing the worker to keep borrowing and keep working under the terms that the rich and their government dictate.

The big flaw in your whole mindset is that you are ignorant and naive, and incapable of independent thought, and thus just parrot without questioning whatever bullsh!t your particular symbolistic ideology group tells you to parrot. Symbols and labels appear to be the uppermost limit of your intelligence.

So workers only work becasue they are wage slaves? SO thus taking away this burden would lead to noone having to work, damn you are a bigger commie then I thought vic!

Pack a bowl dude! Slackariffic! you are getting more and more marxist utopian every post heh.

"I'm rubberband and you're glue... "

:roll:


If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person alive. Must be nice to live in your little black and white world.

edit to your edit:

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
What next? each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs?

No, that's your ideology. Such a situation would, by definition, require an authority, a higher power, to determines abilities, needs, and appropriate distribution. And it would, also by definition, be artificial and unnatural, utilizing force to take from each according to his abilities to give to each according to his needs.

I don't think you get it. Your position is that humans are greedy and lazy, and there has to be a system set up to protect the weak from others greed, but what you forget is that humans would run that system.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Workers must work, there is no choice, this is a big flaw in your whole mindset, so one group is fed up and leaves, thus another group comes in.

In the end the boss wins, always if there is no protection. I dont see how you libertarians think somehow some magical money god will make the human race not be just like they always have, maybe brainwashing? mind control?

It is fine and all to be naive and say sure bosses will always pay good/not pollute/pricefix/monopolize etc if there is no government even though they can damn well do what they please and if workers dont like it they can leave, but if you think so I got a bridge to sell you.

Workers must work because the government you worship favors the rich and forces the poor to pay an ever-increasing burden of taxation, whose proceeds predominately go to those rich. Accumulation of any liquid wealth or savings to see a worker past a paycheck or 2 is discouraged and heavily punished (economically), thus forcing the worker to keep borrowing and keep working under the terms that the rich and their government dictate.

The big flaw in your whole mindset is that you are ignorant and naive, and incapable of independent thought, and thus just parrot without questioning whatever bullsh!t your particular symbolistic ideology group tells you to parrot. Symbols and labels appear to be the uppermost limit of your intelligence.

So workers only work becasue they are wage slaves? SO thus taking away this burden would lead to noone having to work, damn you are a bigger commie then I thought vic!

Pack a bowl dude! Slackariffic! you are getting more and more marxist utopian every post heh.

"I'm rubberband and you're glue... "

:roll:


If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person alive. Must be nice to live in your little black and white world.

How trite, you are totally FOS BTW. Thanks for playing though.

:music: Ebony and ivory go together with perfect... :music:

You are such the rebel, evil gubberment stealin mah money fer thar turnip tax! What you sound like is a bitter old codger on a whine trip.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
How trite, you are totally FOS BTW. Thanks for playing though.

:music: Ebony and ivory go together with perfect... :music:

You are such the rebel, evil gubberment stealin mah money fer thar turnip tax! What you sound like is a bitter old codger on a whine trip.

Let me get this... you have not refuted a single one of my arguments, and yet I am full of sh!t?

I repeat: I don't think you get it. Your position is that humans are greedy and lazy, and easily led mostly, and there has to be a system set up to protect the weak from others greed, otherwise we all lose out, but what you forget is that humans would run that system.

edit: if you're not a communist, then you must be a catholic or a fundamentalist. Those are the only 3 groups that would say such a thing as what you did.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
How trite, you are totally FOS BTW. Thanks for playing though.

:music: Ebony and ivory go together with perfect... :music:

You are such the rebel, evil gubberment stealin mah money fer thar turnip tax! What you sound like is a bitter old codger on a whine trip.

Let me get this... you have no refuted a single one of my arguments, and yet I am full of sh!t?

I repeat: I don't think you get it. Your position is that humans are greedy and lazy, and easily led mostly, and there has to be a system set up to protect the weak from others greed, otherwise we all lose out, but what you forget is that humans would run that system.

I refuted every one of them, the idealistic immature mumbo jumbo about gubberment stealin mah tax munahs! -in a nutshell

The catholic = communist stuff you lost me, but then none of your points really are a point, just drivel from half investigated libertarian views, you learn about libertarianism from south park or something? Crackerjack box?

Your ideas of labor are downright elementry. Like I said, FOS. But you do like your own voice it seems, and I am bored, kinda hoping a real libertarian would come in and debate, oh well.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I refuted every one of them, the idealistic immature mumbo jumbo about gubberment stealin mah tax munahs! -in a nutshell

Right... except that wasn't in any of my arguments, just your imagination.

The catholic = communist stuff you lost me, but then none of your points really are a point, just drivel from half investigated libertarian views, you learn about libertarianism from south park or something? Crackerjack box?

Actually, I'm a member who directed you to the official LP website, but thanks for playing!

Where you got lost has already been explained to you by not just myself but another poster, and that quite a while ago.

 

[Steeplerot]

Wow, you linked to the libertarian website, now that just destroys all I said. :laugh:

You didnt even bother pointing out anything from the site, I even pulled a bullet point about labor from there and you couldnt even debate that.

Go read, experience life some, and you will get over your utopian fantasy, or just become a marxist already instead of skirting around it.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Your ideas of labor are downright elementry. Like I said, FOS. But you do like your own voice it seems, and I am bored, kinda hoping a real libertarian would come in and debate, oh well.

Really? Sorry about that, I borrowed those ideas almost entirely from Lincoln's 1861 "Annual Message to Congress" Address. You should read it.

And it seems you're dissappointed because you've made an utter fool of yourself trying to straw man libertarianism into your little lies. It's been fsckin' funny as hell to watch though.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Your ideas of labor are downright elementry. Like I said, FOS. But you do like your own voice it seems, and I am bored, kinda hoping a real libertarian would come in and debate, oh well.

Really? Sorry about that, I borrowed those ideas almost entirely from Lincoln's 1861 "Annual Message to Congress" Address. You should read it.

And it seems you're dissappointed because you've made an utter fool of yourself trying to straw man libertarianism into your little lies. It's been fsckin' funny as hell to watch though.

Still waiting for you to explain how workers rights and wages would be protected without a government Vic.

You have made no valid point yet, please do so or I am getting very bored trading insults.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I even pulled a bullet point about labor from there and you couldnt even debate that.

Your lies never end, do they? You claimed to laugh at some little bit from there about "separation of business and state" and then made a complete lie about what it implied in regards to unions and labor, and then when I quoted exactly how the LP does support union membership, you shifted into some little marxist concept of labor, all the while calling me a marxist.

It's amazing how you think you can lie about something like that when this thread documents the entire exchange.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I even pulled a bullet point about labor from there and you couldnt even debate that.

Your lies never end, do they? You claimed to laugh at some little bit from there about "separation of business and state" and then made a complete lie about what it implied in regards to unions and labor, and then when I quoted exactly how the LP does support union membership, you shifted into some little marxist concept of labor, all the while calling me a marxist.

It's amazing how you think you can lie about something like that when this thread documents the entire exchange.

Still waiting. How would workers right or wages be upheld with no government involvement?

How would you keep a one industry town from price gouging, polluting and making workers literal slaves with no competition?

This are basic stuff here, lets hear it.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Stunt
I'm being a realist Dave. Nothing in life is free, it's not as simple as screwing the corporations at every chance and hope you are doing good because of it.

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
blah blah, libertarians are so real to the out for yourself angry white male greedhead types, conservatives are wusses. Heard it all before. Capitalism is a self destructive force eating itself as we speak.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Capitalism has been around since the dawn of man. It isn't going anywhere.

Don't feed the trolls.

I guess he's supposed to watch what you say, not what you do, eh?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Stunt
I'm being a realist Dave. Nothing in life is free, it's not as simple as screwing the corporations at every chance and hope you are doing good because of it.

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
blah blah, libertarians are so real to the out for yourself angry white male greedhead types, conservatives are wusses. Heard it all before. Capitalism is a self destructive force eating itself as we speak.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Capitalism has been around since the dawn of man. It isn't going anywhere.

Don't feed the trolls.

I guess he's supposed to watch what you say, not what you do, eh?

Vic has this fantasy that he is actually a useful poster, but yet he cannot explain the simplest aspects of the framework of what he considers his ideology and would rather trade insults all day, now who is the troll...

 

[Satchel]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I even pulled a bullet point about labor from there and you couldnt even debate that.

Your lies never end, do they? You claimed to laugh at some little bit from there about "separation of business and state" and then made a complete lie about what it implied in regards to unions and labor, and then when I quoted exactly how the LP does support union membership, you shifted into some little marxist concept of labor, all the while calling me a marxist.

It's amazing how you think you can lie about something like that when this thread documents the entire exchange.

Still waiting. How would workers right or wages be upheld with no government involvement?

How would you keep a one industry town from price gouging with no competition?

This are basic stuff here, lets hear it.

I'm a dues paying union worker and you are the last person that I would ever want looking out for me.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Still waiting for you to explain how workers rights and wages would be protected without a government Vic.

You have made no valid point yet, please do so or I am getting very bored trading insults.

Then stop lying and making insults, then you won't get so bored making a fool of yourself. For example, where and when did I ever say there should be no government? How many times do I have to tell you that libertarianism and anarchism are no where near the same thing?

What I want to is, what do you have against equal rights? Because that is all libertarianism actually is -- equal rights for one and all equally. You seem to think there should be some rights for some people and different rights for others, etc., and you keep repeating this over and over again as though this unequality is the great shining path to equality.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Stunt
I'm being a realist Dave. Nothing in life is free, it's not as simple as screwing the corporations at every chance and hope you are doing good because of it.

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
blah blah, libertarians are so real to the out for yourself angry white male greedhead types, conservatives are wusses. Heard it all before. Capitalism is a self destructive force eating itself as we speak.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Capitalism has been around since the dawn of man. It isn't going anywhere.

Don't feed the trolls.

I guess he's supposed to watch what you say, not what you do, eh?

Vic has this fantasy that he is actually a useful poster, but yet he cannot explain the simplest aspects of the framework of what he considers his ideology and would rather trade insults all day, now who is the troll...

I vote: You

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Still waiting for you to explain how workers rights and wages would be protected without a government Vic.

You have made no valid point yet, please do so or I am getting very bored trading insults.

Then stop lying and making insults, then you won't get so bored making a fool of yourself. For example, where and when did I ever say there should be no government? How many times do I have to tell you that libertarianism and anarchism are no where near the same thing?

What I want to is, what do you have against equal rights? Because that is all libertarianism actually is -- equal rights for one and all equally. You seem to think there should be some rights for some people and different rights for others, etc., and you keep repeating this over and over again as though this unequality is the great shining path to equality.

Nope, you posted one single link, and it says nothing less then no government in business .

I asked you to explain this and all you have is some metaphysical mumbo-jumbo hippie stuff about equal rights.

No lie, it was your link. Your just FOS and trolling today I see.


What I want to is, what do you have against equal rights? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Equal rights huh? Shining path, so what if a good part of society wants no part in your little experiment? Tell me that. We shall see where your equal rights goes, out the window baby!

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

I vote: You

I am not running for office, sorry, I am sure though that I would want no part of what you stand for on my side though, but thanks.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: daveymark
I guess he's supposed to watch what you say, not what you do, eh?

Actually, making rot dig his own grave is something I get a lot of amusement from. His denial piles on top of his denial on top of his denial. It's fsckin' hilarious. Like the 9/11 thread where he insisted that the "fast-burning" kerosene from the airplanes could not possibly contain the required energy to bring down the towers, and so I proved, in detailed mathematics, that yes it could and he still went on pretending that it couldn't and went on and on (like now) in how I had "made no valid points," etc. He's the kind of person that in order to win an argument with him, the only thing you have to do is encourage him to keep speaking.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: daveymark
I guess he's supposed to watch what you say, not what you do, eh?

Actually, making rot dig his own grave is something I get a lot of amusement from. His denial piles on top of his denial on top of his denial. It's fsckin' hilarious. Like the 9/11 thread when he insisted that the "fast-burning" kerosene from the airplanes could not contain the required energy to bring down the towers, and so I proved, in detailed mathematics that yes it could and it still pretending that it couldn't and went on and on (like now) in how I had "made no valid points," etc. He's the kind of person that in order to win an argument with him, the only thing you have to do is encourage him to keep speaking.

Still waiting for your libertarian ideas, you STILL have no point.

How would labor right be protected with no government controls vic? Who would look out for workers?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
so what if a good part of society wants no part in your little experiment? Tell me that. We shall see where your equal rights goes, out the window baby!

That's why the Founding Fathers created the idea of states and states rights.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
so what if a good part of society wants no part in your little experiment? Tell me that. We shall see where your equal rights goes, out the window baby!

That's why the Founding Fathers created the idea of states and states rights.

So you are a statist, not a libertarian. ah ha!

*scratches head* then why did you say you were a libertarian if you believe in a state?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: daveymark
I guess he's supposed to watch what you say, not what you do, eh?

Actually, making rot dig his own grave is something I get a lot of amusement from. His denial piles on top of his denial on top of his denial. It's fsckin' hilarious. Like the 9/11 thread when he insisted that the "fast-burning" kerosene from the airplanes could not contain the required energy to bring down the towers, and so I proved, in detailed mathematics that yes it could and it still pretending that it couldn't and went on and on (like now) in how I had "made no valid points," etc. He's the kind of person that in order to win an argument with him, the only thing you have to do is encourage him to keep speaking.

Still waiting for your libertarian ideas, you STILL have no point.

How would labor right be protected with no government controls vic? Who would look out for workers?

LOL! Who looks out for them now? God? :laugh: