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The Confederate Flag

The Confederate Flag Is,...

  • a symbol of racism.

  • a symbol of freedom.

  • a symbol that was once racist, but now no longer is.

  • I am a raging moron.

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Newell Steamer

Newell Steamer

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Let us not forget what the real intention of the Confederation was all about,..
http://web.archive.org/web/20130822...tory.org/library/document/cornerstone-speech/

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.
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But, that's totes OK, since States Rights and what not - you know; "It is my States' Rights and Freedom to take away someone else's freedom, since that someone else is not my equal,.. but it's not racist."
 
Yeah poll needs a dual meaning. To many it symbolizes the institutionalized racism the country once widely held. To others only the history of the Southern States.
 
Many people have bought up large quantities of the flag and many more who didn't used to display the flag are now doing so in protest to all this feel good knee jerking slobbering over an inanimate object. But feel free to think you're doing something by restricting the sale or banning this flag.

Do you honestly believe if all Confederate flags and references to it were destroyed the racist/white supremacist groups would cease to exist?

What are you going to do if the white supremacist groups start displaying the US flag upside down as their symbol rather than a Confederate flag? Ban it from government places? Restrict it's sales?
 
Of course it has a strong racist element. That has nothing to do with the problem at hand. The problem we're seeing today is how people are trying to whitewash history and pretend bad things never happened.
apple store removing all civil war games


Meet the new generation of holocaust deniers - slavery deniers. If we ban the confederate flag and destroy all records related to the civil war, that means slavery never happened, right? Germany and Japan are doing quite well with this strategy. Germany acts like the holocaust and WW2 never happened. Games like Wolfenstein are still banned in Germany because they acknowledge the existence of the nazi party and all of the horrible things they did. Japan still acts like it was the victim of WW2. Nanking massacre? Unit 731? What are those? LA LA LA LA I CANT HEAR YOU
 
MomentsofSanity said:
Yeah poll needs a dual meaning. To many it symbolizes the institutionalized racism the country once widely held. To others only the history of the Southern States.
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Then it would be this option; a symbol that was once racist, but now no longer is.

Alexander H. Stephens was pretty clear - he looked down on Africans and felt it was the right of the Confederation to do with them as they please.
 
Spungo said:
Of course it has a strong racist element. That has nothing to do with the problem at hand. The problem we're seeing today is how people are trying to whitewash history and pretend bad things never happened.
apple store removing all civil war games


Meet the new generation of holocaust deniers - slavery deniers. If we ban the confederate flag and destroy all records related to the civil war, that means slavery never happened, right? Germany and Japan are doing quite well with this strategy. Germany acts like the holocaust and WW2 never happened. Games like Wolfenstein are still banned in Germany because they acknowledge the existence of the nazi party and all of the horrible things they did. Japan still acts like it was the victim of WW2. Nanking massacre? Unit 731? What are those? LA LA LA LA I CANT HEAR YOU
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Usually it's the losers that are trying to hide their history.
 
Newell Steamer said:
Then it would be this option; a symbol that was once racist, but now no longer is.

Alexander H. Stephens was pretty clear - he looked down on Africans and felt it was the right of the Confederation to do with them as they please.
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I disagree. It was once racist, and still is to many. But I do believe that there are many who celebrate the flag who aren't racists as well.
 
Londo_Jowo said:
Many people have bought up large quantities of the flag and many more who didn't used to display the flag are now doing so in protest to all this feel good knee jerking slobbering over an inanimate object. But feel free to think you're doing something by restricting the sale or banning this flag.

Do you honestly believe if all Confederate flags and references to it were destroyed the racist/white supremacist groups would cease to exist?

What are you going to do if the white supremacist groups start displaying the US flag upside down as their symbol rather than a Confederate flag? Ban it from government places? Restrict it's sales?
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I never asked for it to be banned.

I am OK with people selling it, flying it, wearing it, draping it over their heads instead of this:
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But, let us be clear: it is a symbol of racism, not freedom.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
States shouldn't be flying it imo.
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Indeed.

I'm amazed by the stuff people rally behind. Flying the confederate flag is like flying the Nazi flag. Seriously, what the hell are people thinking when they post pictures of themselves with a confederate flag? What are academics thinking when they claim to be Marxists? Are they not aware tens of millions of people were killed in the name of Marxism? Why do people align themselves with Che Guevara? Che was a serial rapist. This is a very widely known fact, and people celebrate it for some reason. When feminists talk about rape culture, they're talking about the idiots wearing Che shirts and hanging Che posters.
 
MomentsofSanity said:
I disagree. It was once racist, and still is to many. But I do believe that there are many who celebrate the flag who aren't racists as well.
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I am perfectly fine with that, and I understand - since Bo & Luke never dragged a black man in tow behind the General Lee.

But, the simple undeniable truth remains: this is a symbol of racism. It's creators held racist ideals and followed racist logic to the point where they were willing to lose millions of lives over it.

It's not just some passing comment or a few lyrics in a song - it is a part of nation's history where many died for and against it.

You can tie summer tea, peach pie, moonshine and step dancing to it if you like, but the Confederate flag represents racism.
 
Newell Steamer said:
Just some guy who murdered a bunch of church people in it's image.
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The Catcher in the Rye was linked to three murders, surely we must deal with that too.

Some kill for the glory of Muhammad.

Curious precisely how far you want to go in your rationale that we should shun and rid ourselves of things that cause a few to turn violent?


Newell Steamer said:
And some government folks who want to ban it.

And retailers who are pulling it from their inventory.
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cubby1223 said:
The Catcher in the Rye was linked to three murders, surely we must deal with that too.

Some kill for the glory of Muhammad.

Curious precisely how far you want to go in your rationale that we should shun and rid ourselves of things that cause a few to turn violent?
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I never said shun or rid,.. I am simply asking for acknowledgement.
 
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