It's not really a tax increase, it's a repeal of a tax cut. It sounds the same, but it's different.
If we lowered minimum wage to 3$ could we say "we're not really cutting minimum wage, we are just removing the increases we gave". ?
How did businesses ever survive when the top marginal tax rate was 91%? It's a serious question - the nation obviously grew during that time period, so what is different now?
Yeah, if people are taxed way too much it's going to hurt businesses. However, right now, that is not the case. And no one is even CLOSE to talking about raising taxes to this point. Especially not on small businesses. Yes, the 90's were so bad. Taxes were awful! Going back to the taxes before bush would be SOCIALIST!!111 /seriously, that is basically what some on the right are saying--it's nuts.
No one is saying we should go have a 90% tax rate or something absurd.
No one is saying we should go have a 90% tax rate or something absurd.
palehorse
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fixed... the irony is that most people work as hard as they can while they're young so that they might eventually retire and enjoy the ample fruits of their years of hard labor; only to discover that their success and luxuries are despised by those who are still forced to work hard for a living, or by those who were never tenacious or clever enough to get to the same point themselves.
We used to have phrases like "finally being able to live the good life." Today, however, that goal has somehow become a badge of elitism or arrogance. It's almost as though brilliant success has been deemed shameful by the masses who have not been successful themselves.
Sad that...
I would go so far as to say that most CEO's in America resemble the character in that chainmail -- at least to some degree. They are decent hard-working and driven individuals. It's primarily the leadership of the largest corporations who might be indicative of an undeserving boss, but the media makes it seem as though every successful business owner in America should be ashamed of the wealth and luxuries they've accumulated. There is a notion floating in our midst -- an old notion, to be sure -- that success and material luxuries are shameful.
We've apparently reached the point where someone can be deemed "too successful." WTF is that about!?
Mr. Boss better watch out, if things get much worse, one of his poor welfare workers thats milking the guberment tit, will just put a bullet in his head
StageLeft
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I've not read this thread's responses, but the original article, though almost certain fiction, does bring up good points.
I read in the local paper yesterday a piece and I could not get past the first page (of 3). The article's heading was how the Obama tax hikes will hurt minority people. Admittedly, my guard went up. I stopped reading because they had a statement from somebody who was leading this charge that went, paraphased, like this "The wealth of this country is meant to be disseminated among the rest of the people." Yes, typical socialist cliche, and I have never felt I wasn't very lucky to be born where I was fiscally, because like a snowball down a hill starting off well has a momentum effect, but there are literally millions upon millions of people in the US who do the absolute, balls-busting minimum to get by every damn day of their life. They put in as little effort as possible, live by the hour and have no motivation or ambition or critical thinking skills and we should all resent them asking for the rest of us to cover the gaps left by their gross indolence.
I read in the local paper yesterday a piece and I could not get past the first page (of 3). The article's heading was how the Obama tax hikes will hurt minority people. Admittedly, my guard went up. I stopped reading because they had a statement from somebody who was leading this charge that went, paraphased, like this "The wealth of this country is meant to be disseminated among the rest of the people." Yes, typical socialist cliche, and I have never felt I wasn't very lucky to be born where I was fiscally, because like a snowball down a hill starting off well has a momentum effect, but there are literally millions upon millions of people in the US who do the absolute, balls-busting minimum to get by every damn day of their life. They put in as little effort as possible, live by the hour and have no motivation or ambition or critical thinking skills and we should all resent them asking for the rest of us to cover the gaps left by their gross indolence.
It is, but sadly he drank himself to death inside of six months out of boredom and an inability to shut out a sense of emptiness that life has any meaning.
Actually pretty poor, mom was single and on welfare until she met my stepdad who worked 14 hour days for 30k a year. I will be the first one in my family(as far as great great grandparents) to get a university (or even college) diploma. I also look forward to the day I can turn around and help my parents out for busting there balls with there shitty situation (which was me heh go figure, born when my mom was 19) to make sure I still had notebooks and a dry place to do homework.
So no drunk fathers but you got the other two, and guess what? I ran with a lot of that type of crowd, started drinking at 16, dropped out at 17, went back to High School at 20 finished and am now in university. All while my mom went from welfare>7-eleven>disability and my dad went from 30k/year>no income>disability. So yeah, I come from an environment of people who pretty much had it handed to them and still fucked it up(including myself with dropping out). When I went back to do my high school it was at an adult ED where in a class of 20-30 people maybe 4 of us were actually trying, the rest were there because welfare told them to go there.
Maybe you are the one who never lived in that environment and have some odd pre-conceived notion that the man is holding them down. Ask anyone who grew up in that shit and they will tell you, most of those people do nothing to help themself. So yeah, the people who make it, and turn around and employ 10-15 people taking a risk with there livelyhood, they are not the bad ones. Fucking idiot, you need to learn how to think.
I find it amusing as well, that the people who champion the cause of the poor the most are usually the ones in middle to upper middle class, who *in-depth* experience with the poor is from behind the soup kitchen counter. Not that there is anything wrong with volunteering, but you have no idea what the fuck these people throw away. You hear there stories about places they can't find rent, food, good clothes, yet don't hear how they lost the last place they were renting for putting holes in the walls and burning the carpet, how they lost there clothes because they didn't care enough to take care of them and they fell apart, and how they have no food because they spent the cash on alcohol since they are so depressed about there situation.
Obviously that does not cover every single one of them, but yes, most poor people are that way because of decisions they made in there life (like my mom, who was poor because she had me at 19 instead of finishing school.). Or like me, who is in the situation I am in because I dropped out of highschool for no reason at all (was holding amazing grades as well). We don't live in a class system, it doesn't matter where you are born, you can move the other way. If I had *resolved* myself to my life, I would be working a minimum wage job collecting as many little money handouts from the government just having a blast at life, but, the west offered me a million chances to better my life so that even when I throw away the first 100 handed to me, there is still another one around the corner. Yes, poor people are poor because they pretty much choose to be. I am certain anyone who has any personal success in life could change around any poor persons life using the system itself if only that person did exactly what we told him too, instead of the apathy that seems to be abundant within that income level.
Well, some of us have moved beyond debating the style of this fiction and have moved to discussing the idea it presents and why that is a valid cause of concern. We moved beyond the superficial after the first few posts
You can join us if you want. 
Red Dawn
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Originally posted by: RichardE
Well, some of us have moved beyond debating the style of this fiction and have moved beyond to the idea and content behind it and why that is a valid cause of concern. We moved beyond the superficial after the first few posts
How moving.
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: RichardE
Well, some of us have moved beyond debating the style of this fiction and have moved beyond to the idea and content behind it and why that is a valid cause of concern. We moved beyond the superficial after the first few posts
How moving.
I try, or you can go back to just attacking the delivery system of the idea. I mean, that is truly thought provoking, I think we should have more debates on how ideas are transfered rather than the ideas, with the passionate way you guys debate the means of transferring ideas I mean those would be some lively discussions.
nobodyknows
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Who's the Boss?
All the organs of the body were having a meeting, trying to decide who the one in charge was.
"I should be in charge," said the brain, "because I run all the body's systems, so without me nothing would happen".
"I should be in charge," said the blood , "because I circulate oxygen all over so without me you'd all waste away."
"I should be in charge," said the stomach, "because I process food and give all of you energy."
"I should be in charge," said the legs , "because I carry the body wherever it needs to go."
"I should be in charge," said the eyes, "because I allow the body to see where it goes."
"I should be in charge," said the rectum , "Because I'm responsible for waste removal."
All the other body parts laughed at the rectum and insulted him, so in a huff, he shut down tight. Within a few days, the brain had a terrible headache, the stomach was bloated, the legs got wobbly, the eyes got watery, and the blood was toxic. They all decided that the rectum should be the boss.
The Moral of the story? You don't have to be a brain to be the boss, just an a$$hole!!
All the organs of the body were having a meeting, trying to decide who the one in charge was.
"I should be in charge," said the brain, "because I run all the body's systems, so without me nothing would happen".
"I should be in charge," said the blood , "because I circulate oxygen all over so without me you'd all waste away."
"I should be in charge," said the stomach, "because I process food and give all of you energy."
"I should be in charge," said the legs , "because I carry the body wherever it needs to go."
"I should be in charge," said the eyes, "because I allow the body to see where it goes."
"I should be in charge," said the rectum , "Because I'm responsible for waste removal."
All the other body parts laughed at the rectum and insulted him, so in a huff, he shut down tight. Within a few days, the brain had a terrible headache, the stomach was bloated, the legs got wobbly, the eyes got watery, and the blood was toxic. They all decided that the rectum should be the boss.
The Moral of the story? You don't have to be a brain to be the boss, just an a$$hole!!
Red Dawn
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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: RichardE
Well, some of us have moved beyond debating the style of this fiction and have moved beyond to the idea and content behind it and why that is a valid cause of concern. We moved beyond the superficial after the first few posts
How moving.
I try, or you can go back to just attacking the delivery system of the idea. I mean, that is truly thought provoking, I think we should have more debates on how ideas are transfered rather than the ideas, with the passionate way you guys debate the means of transferring ideas I mean those would be some lively discussions.
You mean I should try it your way, talk about the hardships I had growing up to justify my POV? I can do that but I'd probably come off as looking just as silly as you did.
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: RichardE
Well, some of us have moved beyond debating the style of this fiction and have moved beyond to the idea and content behind it and why that is a valid cause of concern. We moved beyond the superficial after the first few posts
How moving.
I try, or you can go back to just attacking the delivery system of the idea. I mean, that is truly thought provoking, I think we should have more debates on how ideas are transfered rather than the ideas, with the passionate way you guys debate the means of transferring ideas I mean those would be some lively discussions.
You mean I should try it your way, talk about the hardships I had growing up to justify my POV? I can do that but I'd probably come off as looking just as silly as you did.
Off course not. Come on now I expected better than that from you. You forget your coffee this morning? I could pick apart my post easily enough, give examples of where my generalizations fail and about how people become trapped in poverty and because of this they need the direct help of government to sustain themselves until they become released enough that they can do it for themselves. Than the discussions could have went back onto the role government plays and would still be ontopic..
Instead, you didn't actually put any thought into this discussion and got offended and resorted to one liners throughout it in some attempt to be witty but in actuality showed your lack of knowledge on the subject and how you are really nothing more than one of those feel goods who champion the causes of the poor without knowing why.
Think Red, Think, it does wonders sometimes.
Red Dawn
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LOL, I already gave your post more thought and attention than it deserved.Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: RichardE
Well, some of us have moved beyond debating the style of this fiction and have moved beyond to the idea and content behind it and why that is a valid cause of concern. We moved beyond the superficial after the first few posts
How moving.
I try, or you can go back to just attacking the delivery system of the idea. I mean, that is truly thought provoking, I think we should have more debates on how ideas are transfered rather than the ideas, with the passionate way you guys debate the means of transferring ideas I mean those would be some lively discussions.
You mean I should try it your way, talk about the hardships I had growing up to justify my POV? I can do that but I'd probably come off as looking just as silly as you did.
Off course not. Come on now I expected better than that from you. You forget your coffee this morning? I could pick apart my post easily enough, give examples of where my generalizations fail and about how people become trapped in poverty and because of this they need the direct help of government to sustain themselves until they become released enough that they can do it for themselves. Than the discussions could have went back onto the role government plays and would still be ontopic..
Instead, you didn't actually put any thought into this discussion and got offended and resorted to one liners throughout it in some attempt to be witty but in actuality showed your lack of knowledge on the subject and how you are really nothing more than one of those feel goods who champion the causes of the poor without knowing why.
Think Red, Think, it does wonders sometimes.
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
LOL, I already gave your post more thought and attention than it deserved.Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: RichardE
Well, some of us have moved beyond debating the style of this fiction and have moved beyond to the idea and content behind it and why that is a valid cause of concern. We moved beyond the superficial after the first few posts
How moving.
I try, or you can go back to just attacking the delivery system of the idea. I mean, that is truly thought provoking, I think we should have more debates on how ideas are transfered rather than the ideas, with the passionate way you guys debate the means of transferring ideas I mean those would be some lively discussions.
You mean I should try it your way, talk about the hardships I had growing up to justify my POV? I can do that but I'd probably come off as looking just as silly as you did.
Off course not. Come on now I expected better than that from you. You forget your coffee this morning? I could pick apart my post easily enough, give examples of where my generalizations fail and about how people become trapped in poverty and because of this they need the direct help of government to sustain themselves until they become released enough that they can do it for themselves. Than the discussions could have went back onto the role government plays and would still be ontopic..
Instead, you didn't actually put any thought into this discussion and got offended and resorted to one liners throughout it in some attempt to be witty but in actuality showed your lack of knowledge on the subject and how you are really nothing more than one of those feel goods who champion the causes of the poor without knowing why.
Think Red, Think, it does wonders sometimes.
And I to you. Someone with as simple views of the world as you do doesn't really deserve much. But, back to the one liners you go, it keeps P&N so lively, you make such an amazing contribution, I am in awe myself. I will try to be more like you ok Red? Throwing one liners around as I chuckle to myself saying "Man, I am one witty mutherfucker".
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