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The ACORN employees' misbehavior put in perspective
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blackangst1
Lifer
Police reports are public record. My short search turned up nothing so until we see an actual police report, Im calling bullshit anyone was contacted.
Bowfinger
Lifer
Three problems:
1. It didn't say he filed a police report. It said he "contacted" the police, and as we later learned, it was a cousin.
2. While police reports may be public information, they aren't always available on-line
3. Police reports may be public, but investigative tips, i.e., police intelligence information, are clearly not public. Since this would not be reporting a crime, but would rather be a tip about someone who might be planning to commit a crime, I would expect it to be handled as investigative information. It would not become a police report until the police actually caught them committing a crime or at least had solid evidence they were preparing to commit a crime.
I'd also suggest to those calling "bullshit" that you haven't a clue. As someone who worked in a law enforcement agency and who knows a lot of law enforcement officers, this is exactly what I would do in a case like this. I didn't witness a crime. There was no imminent public safety risk that required an emergency response. Instead, I saw people who said they were hoping to commit a crime. In a case like that, I would pass the tip along to someone I knew, someone who is more qualified than I to assess the information and who would know how to get it to the right resources for investigation.
blackangst1
Lifer
Thanks for the (incorrect) interpretation.
blackangst1
Lifer
:beer:
Starbuck1975
Lifer
Why are you so afraid of accountability? If these are isolated incidents, then ACORN will recover and continue to serve its original charter and purpose.
It's not a question of fear...it is a suspicion that these incidents are simply windows into an organization lacking oversight and inherently corrupt that also has powerful ties with a sitting President.
Fear No Evil
Diamond Member
If you aren't afraid of accountability why not investigate the ENTIRE organization and prove its not corrupt? I think we know the answer to that.
If you read the link, you would know about the major reforms/oversight planned.
BTW, when are the Republicans going to distance themselves from far, far worse groups who are *thorougly* corrupt, like 'the family', or Rev. Moon? Oh, ya, they aren't.
His point about the right's exaggerations is correct.
Starbuck1975
Lifer
The same could be said for Wall Street...or corporate America...or Republicans...or Democrats...or the military. When people act under the charter of an organization, unethically, criminally or otherwise, it reflects on the culture, credibility and standing of said organization. It is appropriate and necessary to ensure that these behaviors are truly isolated and not systemic, especially given ACORN's political influence.
The expected response...no way to sweep this one under the rug.
Both political parties need to distance themselves from fringe elements and hypocrisy. To a Democrat, Republicans are in bed with the devil. To a Republican, the reverse is true. That some attempt to assign "shades" of corruption, as if one side is better than the other, is laughable.
The major reforms/oversight planned are a result of questions & exposure, not voluntarily. Who will do and supervise, ACORN board members?
When/if will such happen, after the furor dies down?
With all the states having investigations into ACORN; accountability/transparency should be what they aim for, instead of circling the wagons and pointing fingers at the accusers.
For the past 2-3 years, there have been innuendos of misdeeds by ACORN. Now is the time for them to show that there is nothing to hide. Attempts at deflection will continue to raise questions.
One or two incidents could be explained away, but not the pattern that is emerging as more and more veils of secrecy are being removed.
DealMonkey
Lifer
Politico.com is pretty far to the right. I've been visiting the site daily for at least 6+ months now. At least they're subtle about it, but the bias is strong.
blackangst1
Lifer
First, no one is "afraid" of ACORN. Second, no one is threatened by voters getting registered. And last, if you dont know why the right is calling for investigations, you, sir/ma'am, apparently dont see the elephant ion the room.
You're simply a corrupt poster who is intent on preventing as many Democratic registrations as you can.
ACORN is not a corrupt organization, despite isolate behavior by a handful of people that was less corrupt in any political sense - they didn't benefit - than personal misbehavior.
You may not like the fact that poor people vote Democratic, and you may think it's great to not have them register, but that's a pretty anti-democracy position.
They register people of any party.
Why don't you try earning the votes of the poor people?
ConstipatedVigilante
Diamond Member
So embezzling millions of dollars in taxpayer money is a "small wrong," huh?
Wow Craig, you really know how to trivialize the issue.
Wow Craig, you really know how to trivialize the issue.
blackangst1
Lifer
Well, its Craig. Democrat Apologist Elite
They did? If they embezzled millions of taxpayers dollars, that's not a small deal (well, relative to the Republican-favored contracters it is, but it's not small).
Did I miss a story? Can you link to this embezzlement of millions of tax dollars? Which part of the organizaiton did it, what did the senior management do, were people jailed?
I though this thread was about a handful of people who tried to be 'helpful' to right-wing people posing as criminals, while others at ACORN did not help them or called the police.
By the way - can you point me to your posts against the 'military industrial complex' waste and other far larger waste - or do you trivialize that waste?
I read the links.
the only reference to reforms were a single paragraph in the second article.
The key word is pledged . So you have an oversight panel. What teeth will it have. There are civilian oversight panels for most major cities for the police - yet you still have incidents of unfairness and abuse that the anti-police claim is a planned & authorized pattern.
"Planned or Pledged" ensures that they are never done - it becomes a lip service until the heat is off.
Both articles are self serving blogs that are attempting to deflect the issue by pointing out that other wsates of money have occurred under Bush.
The issue is not that; the Dems crowed about that for 6 years. The issue is about ACORN and their activities; the spiderweb and unaccounatability; potential ties to the Obama administration and the multiple incidents of different offices encouraging illegal activities.
The amount of incidents/smoke that has many states investigating their activities - not all of those states are red.
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