That mosque being built adjacent to ground zero?

[William Gaatjes]

I'm no fan of Islam but is it possible this is some sad attempt at solidarity?

I would think that too. But what i cannot understand is that the ones responsible could not have foreseen that this just might be a very sensitive matter. It would be similar as making Hitler jokes or nazi jokes to an Auschwitz survivor. You can kind of expect that the survivor might get a little angry.

 

[dahunan]

Maybe if the Muslim community did a better job policing itself when people commit crimes in the name of their religion you might have a point but everyone just sits around and does nothing.

Same thing with illegal immigration. If the legal immigrants would police themselves and turn in illegal immigrants states like AZ wouldn't need to take the measures they took.

Do you hold all other humans to the same - including yourself

Are you Caucasian? You had better get out there and make sure everyone knows you are not bad like all the other bad Caucasians out there. Hurry.. Hurry

 

[dahunan]

I would think that too. But what i cannot understand is that the ones responsible could not have foreseen that this just might be a very sensitive matter. It would be similar as making Hitler jokes or nazi jokes to an Auschwitz survivor. You can kind of expect that the survivor might get a little angry.

This is a great example.. honest.. Are all Germans murderous nazi jew-haters?

 

[dahunan]

Did we replace the child molesting boogie-men with the they are all terrorists boogie-men now?

Wasn't too long ago that all Catholic Males were child molesters waiting in the bushes.. right?

 

[William Gaatjes]

Has any ONE of you who is opposed to this

1. Researched why they chose this site and this date
2. Asked even one Muslim their feelings on the choice to put a mosque there?

3. Forgiven your ancestors for atrocities committed in your name? And if not does that mean you are in agreement with all bad things done by whites, Christians and Americans?

1.
We can only hope the decision to build a mosque and open it on 9/11 2011. is from a good heart but it is way to naive for a mature person not to see that this would not cause uproar.

2.
I am sure a great deal of muslims can understand this is a sensitive matter. But i am also sure a group of muslims see this in their distorted view as a victory. I have seen the chanting groups of muslims during 9/11 2001. They do not speak for all muslims but these small groups exist.


3.
I find number 3 kind of cheap. If i do a short look up about human history, nobody is innocent, physical appearance is not relevant to human behavior. There is not a single human on this planet that does not have an ancestor that killed someone or treated someone inhumane, regardless of physical appearance. Therefore, this is just finger pointing. Learn from history. But do not let history be your guide to the future...

 

[Kappo]

Did we replace the child molesting boogie-men with the they are all terrorists boogie-men now?

Wasn't too long ago that all Catholic Males were child molesters waiting in the bushes.. right?

The difference is that you had people coming out and saying "we do not like this" from their own side. The muslim community says nothing.

 

[William Gaatjes]

This is a great example.. honest.. Are all Germans murderous nazi jew-haters?

Afcourse not, but i do not find it strange that it is disrespectful to make a nazi joke to an Auschwitz survivor. What is your point ?

I also do not make slave jokes to black people for when i know it is offensive to them. If after a long time of understanding people and having a good friendship, every kind of jokes can be made without a problem. Because then it is known that there is no underlying meaning.

Are you unable to see, that some words call upon painful memories ?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

ALL of them, no. The ones who want to build a mosque there? At minimum they are insensitive crapbags, which is funny considering the amount of crap they give other people (hello, Jihad @ cartoonists!) At worst they are people who think that 911 is a day to be celebrated by muslims.

You don't think we have a right to complain about it? You dont think it's justified that we complain?

Complain? Sure.

But it's legal, so it can happen. It's a free country. Does anyone have a legal reason why this can't happen?

 

[irishScott]

Complain? Sure.

But it's legal, so it can happen. It's a free country. Does anyone have a legal reason why this can't happen?

No, but legality and morality are two very different things. The only thing that will come of this is more hatred toward Islam, but Islam in general has its own value system that says if they persist long enough people will just give way. This principle seems to permeate their religion, even when it defies any form of sense.

Honestly I don't understand the Muslim mentality. The only real outcry is about how everyone's bigoted towards them, yet they do next to nothing rational to offset that bigotry. In the meantime we're always hearing about how someone with solid terrorist connections was found in some little old innocent mosque that was minding it's own business. So if the violent radicals are that dispersed, and the mainstream Muslim population isn't providing any real reassurance that they aren't, how can we trust any mosques to not be potential terror proxies?

 

[Kappo]

Complain? Sure.

But it's legal, so it can happen. It's a free country. Does anyone have a legal reason why this can't happen?

Actually, I doubt it will happen (after finding a bit more information ).

Can you think of a legal reason why we can't build a "We Love Tim McVeigh" gift shop across the street the OK bombing site and open it on the day of the bombings? Probably not.

But the public can put a stop to things despite it being legal.

And I wonder who will "understand where they are coming from" when some guy bombs the shit out of the mosque. It's ok for terrorists to blow stuff up, but bygod, if you mess with them it's SOOO WRONG!

 

[EndGame]

The difference is that you had people coming out and saying "we do not like this" from their own side. The muslim community says nothing.

I believe that's what a majority in the USA think. If the Muslim in this country would or would have already come out publicly with a message denouncing what was done in their name by a faction of extremists, I don't think this would be nearly as big of a deal to *most* people.

 

[ShawnD1]

I believe that's what a majority in the USA think. If the Muslim in this country would or would have already come out publicly with a message denouncing what was done in their name by a faction of extremists, I don't think this would be nearly as big of a deal to *most* people.

So it's not enough for Muslims in other countries to denounce it?

http://www.time.com/time/europe/photoessays/vigil/

September 18, 2001: Ordinary Iranians hold candles during a vigil in Terhan to mourn the loss of life in the United States after hijackers crashed airliners into the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Washington DC. Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei condemned the attacks which have been blamed on Saudi-born Osama bin Laden. Bin Laden is believed to be in hiding in the mountains of neighboring Afghanistan, a country which Iran has no love for..

But let's not let facts get in the way of scapegoating people. Will you next try to explain how Jews are responsible for Germany's inflation after WW1?

 

[Kappo]

So it's not enough for Muslims in other countries to denounce it?

Ok, so somehow, the % of people who denounce it is smaller than the % who are "radicals" and doing the killing. Feel better now that your .000000000000001% got credit?

 

[EndGame]

So it's not enough for Muslims in other countries to denounce it?

http://www.time.com/time/europe/photoessays/vigil/

But let's not let facts get in the way of scapegoating people. Will you next try to explain how Jews are responsible for Germany's inflation after WW1?

Would it be SOOO difficult for those whom call the USA home to publicly denounce it also. As I recall, Germany has time and time again denounced NAZI atrosities. As mentioned above, it is still a stigma and cause for shame to many Germans......

 

[dahunan]

Some of the most frighteningly misinformed human minds rot here in this thread

You don't hear or see those people BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS FUCKING PRE JUDGE THEM...

fuck if they came out and apologized your bigoted asses would say it was a fake apology... go to the mirror and fix what the fuck is wrong before you continue to call ONE BILLION plus people terrorists

 

[irishScott]

Some of the most frighteningly misinformed human minds rot here in this thread

You don't hear or see those people BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS FUCKING PRE JUDGE THEM...

fuck if they came out and apologized your bigoted asses would say it was a fake apology... go to the mirror and fix what the fuck is wrong before you continue to call ONE BILLION plus people terrorists

I don't. Your argument is void.

If the Hispanics can make as much noise as they are about immigration, the Muslims can certainly be just as vocal about the violent radicals in their midst.

 

[dahunan]

Ok, so somehow, the % of people who denounce it is smaller than the % who are "radicals" and doing the killing. Feel better now that your .000000000000001% got credit?

WAIT a second.. how many people denounced this when I brought it up in this thread..
http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-cia-index.html

OVERTHROW DEMOCRACY IN IRAN... <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

WHAT were the effects of that .. HUH.. I bet you would love it if Arab nations came here and forced a leader on YOU.. right?

The document shows that:

Britain, fearful of Iran's plans to nationalize its oil industry, came up with the idea for the coup in 1952 and pressed the United States to mount a joint operation to remove the prime minister.
The C.I.A. and S.I.S., the British intelligence service, handpicked Gen. Fazlollah Zahedi to succeed Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh and covertly funneled $5 million to General Zahedi's regime two days after the coup prevailed.
Iranians working for the C.I.A. and posing as Communists harassed religious leaders and staged the bombing of one cleric's home in a campaign to turn the country's Islamic religious community against Mossadegh's government.

 

[EndGame]

Some of the most frighteningly misinformed human minds rot here in this thread

You don't hear or see those people BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS FUCKING PRE JUDGE THEM...

fuck if they came out and apologized your bigoted asses would say it was a fake apology... go to the mirror and fix what the fuck is wrong before you continue to call ONE BILLION plus people terrorists

WOW! And WE'RE the ones with the problem????? LOL!

Nobody is condeming ALL Muslim's, what was said, is it would not even be a problem IF the Muslims that call this country home would publicly denounce & condem what was done in their name.

Pop another Prozac there Lil' Buddy.......

 

[dmcowen674]

That mosque being built adjacent to ground zero?

While I wasn't happy about the radical religion that blew up our buildings putting an item of worship so close to a place where people, they have some hefty balls to do something like this.

Face it, we lost.

The buildings were not put right back up and never will be and we have a Mosque right next to where the buildings used to be.

That sounds 110% like we lost to me.

 

[Kappo]

Some of the most frighteningly misinformed human minds rot here in this thread

You don't hear or see those people BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS FUCKING PRE JUDGE THEM...

fuck if they came out and apologized your bigoted asses would say it was a fake apology... go to the mirror and fix what the fuck is wrong before you continue to call ONE BILLION plus people terrorists

OH.. I get it. It's always OUR fault. I mean. THEY certainly CANT be blamed for anything ever.

They sure are VERY VERY vocal about disrespecting their cow-god. Why not killings? Does the judgement issue come into play when defending the crapbag false god they worship?

Sorry, if my family had some people in it that were hellbent on killing other people, I would either not be around them or be VERY vocal so people did not think I agreed with them.

If they can't do the same and remain silent they probably agree. Not to mention at the very BEST, someone who continues to let it happen without dissent probably agrees with what they are doing but maybe not the way they are doing it.

 

[dahunan]

I don't. Your argument is void.

If the Hispanics can make as much noise as they are about immigration, the Muslims can certainly be just as vocal about the violent radicals in their midst.

You assume that they should have to

Do all "good" christians come out all the time to make sure you know they are not identical to Pat Robertson?

 

[Kappo]

You assume that they should have to

Do all "good" christians come out all the time to make sure you know they are not identical to Pat Robertson?

Mostly, yes.

 

[dahunan]

WOW! And WE'RE the ones with the problem????? LOL!

Nobody is condeming ALL Muslim's, what was said, is it would not even be a problem IF the Muslims that call this country home would publicly denounce & condem what was done in their name.

Pop another Prozac there Lil' Buddy.......

how many times do they need to do it?

do you sincerely think they haven't

are you dumb enough to ASSUME they do agree with what was done in the name of Osama Bin Laden

You demand way too much.. I will bet you demand far more of others than you do yourself

Your pathetic generalities and labeling are what create all of these situations in the world

--- Every Muslim better come out and tell the world they don't support Osama Bin Laden or you will think they do?

 

[dahunan]

You assume that they should have to

Do all "good" christians come out all the time to make sure you know they are not identical to Pat Robertson?

Mostly, yes.

How many Muslims do you know or communicate with verbally or nonverbally on a regular basis?

















and Christians? How many Christians do you know or communicate with verbally or nonverbally on a regular basis?

 

[ShawnD1]

Ok, so somehow, the % of people who denounce it is smaller than the % who are "radicals" and doing the killing. Feel better now that your .000000000000001% got credit?

Where did you get your numbers? If fundamentalism were as big a problem as you think it is, how are these people able to hold a vigil in Iran? Wouldn't the overwhelming fundamentalist majority try to silence them? How is the ayatollah able to denounce the attack without causing riots in the streets?