Thank God that Partial Birth Abortions Will be BANNED

[JulesMaximus]

Hmm, everyone here was a fetus once. For you pro choicers would you have been okay giving up your life when you were still in the womb? You can argue all you like that a fetus isn't life but I'll tell you that it certainly becomes life as soon as those cells begin to divide. I saw the ultrasound of my son's heart beating at 6 weeks old. There is nothing that compares to the joy of having a child. What happens in the womb is simply amazing. I disagree with anyone who says that a fetus isn't really a living being.

 

[imported_Tomato]

Originally posted by: ELP
<- pro-choice, against partial birth abortions

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: orion7144
I am pro-choice! I also have a daughter that is disabled (severly) and if we would have know we would have aborted. My wife also had to have one to save her life and it was a no brainer. She used to be pro life until all of this happened.

So why not kill her now.
What is the fvcking difference you sick selfish fvck.
I have never ever in my entire life heard someone display such an incredible lack of humanity or morality as you.
I'm not particulary religious, but if I was I would tell you to burn in hell.

Get off your pedestal asshat!

Any man that thinks like that is not a man.
But a weak, uncaring, selfish, piece of sh$t.

Yeah, sometimes life is tough.
Step up and deal with it you fvcking loser.

And you don't know what shoes I've been in so stfu.
The more I hear come out of your mouth, the more I realize what a truly useless piece of human filth you really are.
Somebody should have aborted you.

Hypocrite post of the week nominee ^^^

What do you expect from such a self loathing moron?

 

[imported_Tomato]

Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
I don't know about the other thread. I did a search and didn't find one. As long as this stays civil it won't be removed.

I am not for abortion in the event of rape. Raising the child would help heal the mother.

Wow. just wow.

Quite frankly, i don't give a damn what you do with yourself, but the minute you try to push it beyond you and only you....:Q

FettsBabe, how dare you state (and seem to really believe) you can speak for the mental and emotional health of a woman in that situation. Shame on you. Seriously, shame on you.

I have a friend who had an abortion after a rape that occurred when she was 14 years old. Do you really believe "raising the child would help heal the mother"?

Seriously, I hope you don't really believe that obnoxious/ignorant tripe.

 

[cchen]

Originally posted by: slycat

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
I don't know about the other thread. I did a search and didn't find one. As long as this stays civil it won't be removed.

I am not for abortion in the event of rape. Raising the child would help heal the mother.

lets hope u get raped...a few times. just love to see your litter. its also cool u'll get reminded of the attacker
daily for the rest of your life.

i really hope you're joking. and you apparently don't understand the pro-life argument when it comes to rape. keeping the child after a rape is acceptance. something extremely horrible happened, and the best way to handle it is not to cause another traumatic experience. acceptance ~ forgiveness. however i do see the other side of the argument, and i know that its extremely difficult for women to be able to accept what happened and deal with it in a rational way.

even better, why don't u just invite the attacker(s) to come play. I hear they are a fun bunch.

what are your morals? have you ever forgiven anyone? this reminds of the story one American family gave at a conference. their son had been a peace corp office in some poor African country, don't remember which one. He was robbed and killed by 2 locals. But what did the parents do? No, they did not want the boys to be put in jail for the rest of their lives. Instead, they took, in my opinion, the ultimate act of forgiveness - they adopted the two boys.

 

[blakeatwork]

Originally posted by: KillaBong
Today my teacher told me about how a woman in China had a forth child. Four is over the limit, so they took the newborn baby and stuck a needle full of whatever chemicals kill people in it's head. Just thought that was interesting.

Anyway, I think that it needs to be legal because there are just certain times when it's needed. Like when the mother could die or something. And it should be totally legal during the first trimester.

I thought there was already a ruling that stated after the first trimester, then an abortion couldn't be performed, unless there was serious risk to the mother at the birth time..

Maybe it was in Europe??

 

[cchen]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: cchen

Originally posted by: orion7144

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: orion7144
I am pro-choice! I also have a daughter that is disabled (severly) and if we would have know we would have aborted.

I guess I have no idea since I don't have a disabled child, but for some reason, I find that statement unsettling.

Yes it is very unsettling until you have walked in someone's shoes that has to deal on a daily basis not knowing if their child will still be alive when you wakeup, knowing that you are going to have to take care of them for the rest of your life, not having any free time with your wife, other siblings feeling left our and getting as much attention as they deserve, having an 11 year old that has had to grow up too fast also not knowing if her sister will be there when she comes home from school, that same 11 year old has been given alot of responsibility that most teenagers wouldn't be able to handle, she can perform CPR, run a heart monitor, fill IV tubes, I think you get the point now but I can keep going on if you'd like.

I don't know what you're thinking as a father. I have a disabled brother, but he is nowhere as severe as you say your daughter is. He is the treasure of our family and I've never ever regretted having him as a brother. I consider his prescence a blessing to us all.

I don't know what it feels like to be in your position. But I do know that as a husband and wife wanting to procreate, you have a responsibility to your children. You have a child who is disabled. You have a responsibility to that child, which you seem to be fulfilling, but with regret. What kind of parent regrets having a child? That is just wrong, imo.

Its not wrong. It's normal to feel bad for having a retarded child. Imagine having children that will never experince such beauties as running thorugh the woods with friends...scraping a knee...

I apluad your compassion, the most galiant of human traits, but don't kid yourself....

For to lie is to lose all credibility.

Yes, of course you'd feel bad for the child. I feel bad that my brother will never get to experience what I will get to experience - love, getting married, having his own children, etc. But I cannot comprehend why anyone in this world would rather abort the baby (if they knew that the baby would have a disability) rather than keep it? With my brother, all I can do is to try to make him happy. And you know, I think he's pretty happy and living a great life. He doesn't have any lofty expectations and really doesn't have any worries. All he has to worry about is what he'll be eating during the day and what he'll be doing when he gets home. What kind of family wouldn't give all their love to their children? Even if a child is disabled he/she can still be happy, and as parents you should be giving your all to making that happen. Your point is simply ridiculous.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: MegaloManiaK

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well then pull your pointy little head from your bunghole and practice what you preach

Wait a min here. You personaly attack someone for making a personal attack and call them an asshat, then you claim that you did it not because they were dissagreeing with you but because they were making a personal attack, and finnaly when someone shoots you down you personaly attack them and say they are the ones who should practice what they preach?

Reason 487 why i never visit politics and news.

If you notice, I did edit my post because it was so hypocritical😉

Any man that thinks like that is not a man.
But a weak, uncaring, selfish, piece of sh$t.

Yeah, sometimes life is tough.
Step up and deal with it you fvcking loser.

Please tell us what kind of hardships a real man like you has gone through. As for him being a loser, He is dealing with a severly disabled child so I guess that even if he wished that he would have aborted the child he didn't and he is taking care of her.

Aside from having my wife hospitalized and close to death on 3 occasions and having a daughter with cancer?
No, I haven't experienced the exact same thing.
But you don't have to have been through the same thing to know that you would do the right thing no matter what.
If somebody is going to come on here and bitch and moan about having to deal with a sick child and how they wished they had aborted, then yeah, I'm going to attack them.

So from your previous post, I assume you are fine with pedophile murderers, as long as they don't live too close to you and it doesn't affect people you know.

 

[MegaloManiaK]

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I just want to say that if you can find some facts otherwise please post them. Basicly 90% of people who record data about this kind of things are either pro-life or pro-choice. Its hard to find anyone that i believe is arbitrary so i welcome any facts that are to the contrary.

The reasons why almost all abortions are done...

Nearly all of the 1.3 million abortions a year are done because the woman did not want to be pregnant at that particular time (although 70% say they intend to have children in the future). The majority of women undergoing an abortion give one or more of the following reasons:

a baby would interfere with work, school, or other responsibilities (75%)

cannot afford to have a child (66%)

do not want to be a single parent or have problems in the relationship with their husband or partner (50%)

Only 1% of women aborting say they have been advised that their unborn baby has a defect, and only 1% say they became pregnant by rape or incest. (Facts in Brief, The Alan Guttmacher Institute, September 1995.)

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: MegaloManiaK

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well then pull your pointy little head from your bunghole and practice what you preach

Wait a min here. You personaly attack someone for making a personal attack and call them an asshat, then you claim that you did it not because they were dissagreeing with you but because they were making a personal attack, and finnaly when someone shoots you down you personaly attack them and say they are the ones who should practice what they preach?

Reason 487 why i never visit politics and news.

If you notice, I did edit my post because it was so hypocritical😉

Any man that thinks like that is not a man.
But a weak, uncaring, selfish, piece of sh$t.

Yeah, sometimes life is tough.
Step up and deal with it you fvcking loser.

Please tell us what kind of hardships a real man like you has gone through. As for him being a loser, He is dealing with a severly disabled child so I guess that even if he wished that he would have aborted the child he didn't and he is taking care of her.

Aside from having my wife hospitalized and close to death on 3 occasions and having a daughter with cancer?
No, I haven't experienced the exact same thing.
But you don't have to have been through the same thing to know that you would do the right thing no matter what.
If somebody is going to come on here and bitch and moan about having to deal with a sick child and how they wished they had aborted, then yeah, I'm going to attack them.

So from your previous post, I assume you are fine with pedophile murderers, as long as they don't live to close to you and it doesn't affect people you know.

No I am not, I wouldn't want you living anywhere near me

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: orion7144
I am pro-choice! I also have a daughter that is disabled (severly) and if we would have know we would have aborted. My wife also had to have one to save her life and it was a no brainer. She used to be pro life until all of this happened.

So why not kill her now.
What is the fvcking difference you sick selfish fvck.
I have never ever in my entire life heard someone display such an incredible lack of humanity or morality as you.
I'm not particulary religious, but if I was I would tell you to burn in hell.

Get off your pedestal asshat!

Any man that thinks like that is not a man.
But a weak, uncaring, selfish, piece of sh$t.

Yeah, sometimes life is tough.
Step up and deal with it you fvcking loser.

And you don't know what shoes I've been in so stfu.
The more I hear come out of your mouth, the more I realize what a truly useless piece of human filth you really are.
Somebody should have aborted you.

Hypocrite post of the week nominee ^^^

Well, I may be against abortion, but in RedDawn's case, I'm willing to make an exception.
😉

 

[Atlantean]

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
Abortion

The killing of a life is wrong no matter what age the life is.

What the hell is a partial birth abortion? Also, you say killing a life is wrong, you saying you have never killed a bug? Thats a life too, I don't want to start an arguement about abortion, but I think that there are circumstances where it is necessary....

 

[Geekbabe]

I am the mother of a disabled child,I would never presume that I had the right to impose my beliefs on others facing such a grave,serious decision,if anything my heart goes out to anyone in such a position.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Hmm, everyone here was a fetus once. For you pro choicers would you have been okay giving up your life when you were still in the womb?

I'd honestly have no problem with it. I was an "opps" child; should I not exist I'd miss the experiences of life, but I'd also never know that I'd miss them, so what's to miss?

 

to abortion threads.

to you self righteous people.

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Originally posted by: FettsBabe
I don't know about the other thread. I did a search and didn't find one. As long as this stays civil it won't be removed.

I am not for abortion in the event of rape. Raising the child would help heal the mother.

Not to be a dick or anything, but gimmie a fscking break.
Turn about would be such sweet ironic fair play on you.

 

[Shelly21]

Originally posted by: Dezign

Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
I don't know about the other thread. I did a search and didn't find one. As long as this stays civil it won't be removed.

I am not for abortion in the event of rape. Raising the child would help heal the mother.

Wow. just wow.

Quite frankly, i don't give a damn what you do with yourself, but the minute you try to push it beyond you and only you....:Q

FettsBabe, how dare you state (and seem to really believe) you can speak for the mental and emotional health of a woman in that situation. Shame on you. Seriously, shame on you.

I have a friend who had an abortion after a rape that occurred when she was 14 years old. Do you really believe "raising the child would help heal the mother"?

Seriously, I hope you don't really believe that obnoxious/ignorant tripe.

I have to agree with you on this one.

 

[MegaloManiaK]

Originally posted by: Atlantean

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
Abortion

The killing of a life is wrong no matter what age the life is.

What the hell is a partial birth abortion? Also, you say killing a life is wrong, you saying you have never killed a bug? Thats a life too, I don't want to start an arguement about abortion, but I think that there are circumstances where it is necessary....

Ok, Number 1. YOU aren't starting anything. and Number 2 i would post my links from above about what PBA actually is, but instead you need to read the thread before you come in here and start making stuipid comparisons.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: BennyD

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: BennyD

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
Abortion

The killing of a life is wrong no matter what age the life is.

pro choice, including partial birth

a newborn baby has no will to live.
if it has no will to live and the parent doesn't want it to live, why keep it alive?

this has got to stop somewhere, if everyone keeps surviving the earth will just be overrun.
what happens if humans figure a way to beat death forever, would we have the same humans living millions of years?

i think they should make pregnancy licenced, then maybe there'd be less bad parents.

Care to back that up with some evidence/proof?

young children who are born feeling no pain will gladly kill themselves.
pain is the only safeguard against children hurting/killing themselves

No No I asked for evidence/proof, not speculation by someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.

 

[CaseTragedy]

<- pro-choice, against partial birth abortions (unless mother's life is at stake)

 

[Walleye]

oop... forgot to say i'm against ALL forms of abortion, EXCEPT when the mother's life is at stake. including in the event of rape.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Hmm, everyone here was a fetus once. For you pro choicers would you have been okay giving up your life when you were still in the womb?

I'd honestly have no problem with it. I was an "opps" child; should I not exist I'd miss the experiences of life, but I'd also never know that I'd miss them, so what's to miss?

I never said you would miss it. Just giving you a little food for thought is all. I respect your beliefs. I believed that once also but after having a child of my own I think differently now.

I'm not crazy enough to stand out on a street corner with a sign shouting at people or any other extreme form of protest but I would have to say that I lean more towards right to life now.

 

[lokiju]

I'm pro-choice, not for the act of babies being aborted, but I think that people should make their own decisions for their self, and not the Goverment or anyone else for that matter for them.

Just my opinion.

 

[CaseTragedy]

Originally posted by: cchen
Killing babies is not just an offense to God, it is an offense morally and ethically. Note that it should NOT be called pro-choice because there is NO choice. The baby does not have a choice. Call it what it is: pro-abortion.

it IS pro-choice since the mother is given a choice. IF the fetus was capable of choosing rationally, whose to say that it wouldn't willingly choose to give up its life given that the life of the mother is at stake? nobody.
pro-abortion? as if we're pushing everyone to get an abortion?

 

[tantos]

All I have to say is I love all these people who think rape victims would love to raise the product of their rape or put them up for adoption. In fact, they make it sound like getting raped is in fact a very healthy act that will strengthen a person if she can get over the initial trauma and raise the child. In fact, lets all have a love fest and get to know the murderer who killed your close kin, the drunk driver who crashed into your mom, the pedophile who molested your little sister. I think keeping them around will "help" you heal your wounds.

As for the father with the disabled child, I commend him for being honest about his reservation about having the child if he knew it would be disabled. I don't fault him as some of you do.

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: cchen

Originally posted by: slycat

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
I don't know about the other thread. I did a search and didn't find one. As long as this stays civil it won't be removed.

I am not for abortion in the event of rape. Raising the child would help heal the mother.

lets hope u get raped...a few times. just love to see your litter. its also cool u'll get reminded of the attacker
daily for the rest of your life.

i really hope you're joking. and you apparently don't understand the pro-life argument when it comes to rape. keeping the child after a rape is acceptance. something extremely horrible happened, and the best way to handle it is not to cause another traumatic experience. acceptance ~ forgiveness. however i do see the other side of the argument, and i know that its extremely difficult for women to be able to accept what happened and deal with it in a rational way.

even better, why don't u just invite the attacker(s) to come play. I hear they are a fun bunch.

what are your morals? have you ever forgiven anyone? this reminds of the story one American family gave at a conference. their son had been a peace corp office in some poor African country, don't remember which one. He was robbed and killed by 2 locals. But what did the parents do? No, they did not want the boys to be put in jail for the rest of their lives. Instead, they took, in my opinion, the ultimate act of forgiveness - they adopted the two boys.

that's the sickest thing I have heard in this thread.