Thank God that Partial Birth Abortions Will be BANNED

[zixxer]

how would you feel being raised when your mother didnt want you.

the government FORCED her to keep you.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: se7enty7
how would you feel being raised when your mother didnt want you.

the government FORCED her to keep you.

Never heard of adoption?

a·dopt ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-dpt)
tr.v. a·dopt·ed, a·dopt·ing, a·dopts
To take into one's family through legal means and raise as one's own child.

 

[MegaloManiaK]

Originally posted by: se7enty7
how would you feel being raised when your mother didnt want you.

the government FORCED her to keep you.

I would tell the b!tch so long and make a life of my own, at least id have a chance to live.

Your argument gets a 1/10.

Oh and just in case none of you read the articles i posted above only 1% of all abortions result from cases of rape or incest, the top 2 reasons are 1. Just didn't want the baby, 2. Baby would disrupt my life/work.

 

[MegaloManiaK]

Originally posted by: se7enty7

Originally posted by: cchen

i really hope you're joking. and you apparently don't understand the pro-life argument when it comes to rape. keeping the child after a rape is acceptance. something extremely horrible happened, and the best way to handle it is not to cause another traumatic experience. acceptance ~ forgiveness. however i do see the other side of the argument, and i know that its extremely difficult for women to be able to accept what happened and deal with it in a rational way.

even better, why don't u just invite the attacker(s) to come play. I hear they are a fun bunch.

what are your morals? have you ever forgiven anyone? this reminds of the story one American family gave at a conference. their son had been a peace corp office in some poor African country, don't remember which one. He was robbed and killed by 2 locals. But what did the parents do? No, they did not want the boys to be put in jail for the rest of their lives. Instead, they took, in my opinion, the ultimate act of forgiveness - they adopted the two boys.

that's the sickest thing I have heard in this thread.

Apparently you have no idea what a partial birth abortion is. Go back and read about the procedure and then read about the details of how developed the child is when its done. The topic itself is sickest thing in this thread, in fact i think its the sickest thing being discussed in OT at the moment.

edit: removed some of the quoted posts that didn't need to be quoted yet again.

 

[Spamela]

i'd rather see changes of hearts in order that such laws were superfluous,
but it's a start.

<-------- Spamela is 100% pro-life

 

[woodman1999]

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
Pro choice is choosing death over life. Why would someone want to kill a child or a potential child? If you lay down you can pay the price. If you don't want to raise the child there is always adoption. There is no excuse for killing a child that didn't ask to be created. Murder is murder.

I don't believe this for one second. If that chold is born into a horrible family, one that is incapable of raising a child, than it is better off not letting the fetus develop. Also, if a child is born into this situation, it is highly unlikely the parents will set the kid up for adoption. WIth relation too adoption, most foster homes and such are already overcrowded and under funded. Putting a kid into this situation may be just as bad as leaving them in a bad family environment. So why not spare the kid a painful life, especially since they don't know what life is.

 

[Konigin]

Originally posted by: BennyD

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
Abortion

The killing of a life is wrong no matter what age the life is.

pro choice, including partial birth

a newborn baby has no will to live.
if it has no will to live and the parent doesn't want it to live, why keep it alive?

this has got to stop somewhere, if everyone keeps surviving the earth will just be overrun.
what happens if humans figure a way to beat death forever, would we have the same humans living millions of years?

i think they should make pregnancy licenced, then maybe there'd be less bad parents.

Welcome Herr Hitler!

 

[OutHouse]

on a side note...

Women have the right to their bodies, IE.. to get an abortion if so desired.

but why is it illegal for a woman to sell her body for sex? after all its HER body.

(talk show debate this morning) 😀

 

[fatkorean]

I heard a funny take on this subject from a local radio personality.

His point was this. Guys get the shaft in regards having a baby or aborting it. If a guy has sex with a girl and the girl gets pregnant, he basically has 0% in the decision making process wether to keep the baby or abort it. Women hold the power in this regard. They can "force" the guy to be a father against their will.

But with this law, it becomes the great equalizer. This "forces" woman to keep the baby via the government, just like a woman can "force" the guy to be a father. Now women will know what it feels like when they "force" a guy to be a father.

Kinda a different take on this subject 😛

-fk

 

[Zebo]

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Originally posted by: Shanti

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Originally posted by: orion7144
I am pro-choice! I also have a daughter that is disabled (severly) and if we would have know we would have aborted. My wife also had to have one to save her life and it was a no brainer. She used to be pro life until all of this happened.
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So why not kill her now?

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: gopunk
your welcome

god can't spell? 😉

 

[Goosemaster]

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: orion7144
I am pro-choice! I also have a daughter that is disabled (severly) and if we would have know we would have aborted. My wife also had to have one to save her life and it was a no brainer. She used to be pro life until all of this happened.

So why not kill her now.
What is the fvcking difference you sick selfish fvck.
I have never ever in my entire life heard someone display such an incredible lack of humanity or morality as you.
I'm not particulary religious, but if I was I would tell you to burn in hell.

Get off your pedestal asshat!

Any man that thinks like that is not a man.
But a weak, uncaring, selfish, piece of sh$t.

Yeah, sometimes life is tough.
Step up and deal with it you fvcking loser.

And you don't know what shoes I've been in so stfu.
The more I hear come out of your mouth, the more I realize what a truly useless piece of human filth you really are.
Somebody should have aborted you.

You're just sad. You're insulting someone who has a disabled child just because they're telling the truth?

I've dealt with TONS of retards over the years, and on more than one occasion, I've felt bad for them and found that their existences were many times not worth living through.

<-----call me a sick Fvck..I don't give a rats ass.

Just as orion, I've felt these HUMAN feelings, but we still love our friends/family members with disabilities.


Then again, I could live in a flight of fancy like you, denouncing truth be cause IT HURTS and masking it to death.

Somebody should have aborted you.

Now if you were leading things, that would never come to pass, would it?

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Hmm, everyone here was a fetus once. For you pro choicers would you have been okay giving up your life when you were still in the womb? You can argue all you like that a fetus isn't life but I'll tell you that it certainly becomes life as soon as those cells begin to divide. I saw the ultrasound of my son's heart beating at 6 weeks old. There is nothing that compares to the joy of having a child. What happens in the womb is simply amazing. I disagree with anyone who says that a fetus isn't really a living being.

No one, if i've read all this correctly, disagrees with you. A fetus is indeed a living being.

However, intelligence seperates us. We are more capable, and therefore develop a consciousness that has the ability to question.

Don't get me wrong, I really don't like abortions, nor do I support them, but in the end, we are all orgainisms on this planet.

THe difference between them and us is that onl one of us knows all this.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: cchen

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: cchen

Originally posted by: orion7144

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: orion7144
I am pro-choice! I also have a daughter that is disabled (severly) and if we would have know we would have aborted.

I guess I have no idea since I don't have a disabled child, but for some reason, I find that statement unsettling.

Yes it is very unsettling until you have walked in someone's shoes that has to deal on a daily basis not knowing if their child will still be alive when you wakeup, knowing that you are going to have to take care of them for the rest of your life, not having any free time with your wife, other siblings feeling left our and getting as much attention as they deserve, having an 11 year old that has had to grow up too fast also not knowing if her sister will be there when she comes home from school, that same 11 year old has been given alot of responsibility that most teenagers wouldn't be able to handle, she can perform CPR, run a heart monitor, fill IV tubes, I think you get the point now but I can keep going on if you'd like.

I don't know what you're thinking as a father. I have a disabled brother, but he is nowhere as severe as you say your daughter is. He is the treasure of our family and I've never ever regretted having him as a brother. I consider his prescence a blessing to us all.

I don't know what it feels like to be in your position. But I do know that as a husband and wife wanting to procreate, you have a responsibility to your children. You have a child who is disabled. You have a responsibility to that child, which you seem to be fulfilling, but with regret. What kind of parent regrets having a child? That is just wrong, imo.

Its not wrong. It's normal to feel bad for having a retarded child. Imagine having children that will never experince such beauties as running thorugh the woods with friends...scraping a knee...

I apluad your compassion, the most galiant of human traits, but don't kid yourself....

For to lie is to lose all credibility.

Yes, of course you'd feel bad for the child. I feel bad that my brother will never get to experience what I will get to experience - love, getting married, having his own children, etc. But I cannot comprehend why anyone in this world would rather abort the baby (if they knew that the baby would have a disability) rather than keep it? With my brother, all I can do is to try to make him happy. And you know, I think he's pretty happy and living a great life. He doesn't have any lofty expectations and really doesn't have any worries. All he has to worry about is what he'll be eating during the day and what he'll be doing when he gets home. What kind of family wouldn't give all their love to their children? Even if a child is disabled he/she can still be happy, and as parents you should be giving your all to making that happen. Your point is simply ridiculous.

I agree with one point a 100%: The retards will be happy.

On the otherhand, will you? and then again, will everyone?

I don't know about you but getting to meet a retard at school, or tecahign them is nice and all, but RAISING THEM, as I have helped 2 FAMILIES do over the years is simply awful.

On one hand the retards are happy, but on the other hand you might not be....

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I could not possibly care any less since it has no effect on my life.

So you don't care at all about 9/11 either?
I doubt it had any effect on your life.
I mean you probably didn't know any of those people right?

You don't care if the guy down the block rapes little children, then murders them?
It doesn't affect you.

No I could not care less because I am not going to get pregnant. On the other hand 9/11 was an attack on my country which forever changed it for the worse and had a direct negative effect on most of our lives with our government taking away our freedoms. As for the Rapist Murderer, having somebody the evil living with a close vicinity would bother me greatly, especially with friends of mine having children who could fall victim to him.

Damn red what the hell happened to you? Castration, Prozac or just getting some? You are a totally different RedDawn... Used to be you'd rip off his head and sh1t down his throat and he would even laugh about it🙂

 

[DainBramaged]

<------Pro-Life, Against All Forms of Abortion

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I could not possibly care any less since it has no effect on my life.

So you don't care at all about 9/11 either?
I doubt it had any effect on your life.
I mean you probably didn't know any of those people right?

You don't care if the guy down the block rapes little children, then murders them?
It doesn't affect you.

No I could not care less because I am not going to get pregnant. On the other hand 9/11 was an attack on my country which forever changed it for the worse and had a direct negative effect on most of our lives with our government taking away our freedoms. As for the Rapist Murderer, having somebody the evil living with a close vicinity would bother me greatly, especially with friends of mine having children who could fall victim to him.

Damn red what the hell happened to you? Castration, Prozac or just getting some? You are a totally different RedDawn... Used to be you'd rip off his head and sh1t down his throat and he would even laugh about it🙂

Well after reading his post I figured most people would think me calling him an Idiot would be redundant.

 

[cchen]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: cchen

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: cchen

Originally posted by: orion7144

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: orion7144
I am pro-choice! I also have a daughter that is disabled (severly) and if we would have know we would have aborted.

I guess I have no idea since I don't have a disabled child, but for some reason, I find that statement unsettling.

Yes it is very unsettling until you have walked in someone's shoes that has to deal on a daily basis not knowing if their child will still be alive when you wakeup, knowing that you are going to have to take care of them for the rest of your life, not having any free time with your wife, other siblings feeling left our and getting as much attention as they deserve, having an 11 year old that has had to grow up too fast also not knowing if her sister will be there when she comes home from school, that same 11 year old has been given alot of responsibility that most teenagers wouldn't be able to handle, she can perform CPR, run a heart monitor, fill IV tubes, I think you get the point now but I can keep going on if you'd like.

I don't know what you're thinking as a father. I have a disabled brother, but he is nowhere as severe as you say your daughter is. He is the treasure of our family and I've never ever regretted having him as a brother. I consider his prescence a blessing to us all.

I don't know what it feels like to be in your position. But I do know that as a husband and wife wanting to procreate, you have a responsibility to your children. You have a child who is disabled. You have a responsibility to that child, which you seem to be fulfilling, but with regret. What kind of parent regrets having a child? That is just wrong, imo.

Its not wrong. It's normal to feel bad for having a retarded child. Imagine having children that will never experince such beauties as running thorugh the woods with friends...scraping a knee...

I apluad your compassion, the most galiant of human traits, but don't kid yourself....

For to lie is to lose all credibility.

Yes, of course you'd feel bad for the child. I feel bad that my brother will never get to experience what I will get to experience - love, getting married, having his own children, etc. But I cannot comprehend why anyone in this world would rather abort the baby (if they knew that the baby would have a disability) rather than keep it? With my brother, all I can do is to try to make him happy. And you know, I think he's pretty happy and living a great life. He doesn't have any lofty expectations and really doesn't have any worries. All he has to worry about is what he'll be eating during the day and what he'll be doing when he gets home. What kind of family wouldn't give all their love to their children? Even if a child is disabled he/she can still be happy, and as parents you should be giving your all to making that happen. Your point is simply ridiculous.

I agree with one point a 100%: The retards will be happy.

On the otherhand, will you? and then again, will everyone?

I don't know about you but getting to meet a retard at school, or tecahign them is nice and all, but RAISING THEM, as I have helped 2 FAMILIES do over the years is simply awful.

On one hand the retards are happy, but on the other hand you might not be....

You are so fvcking ridiculous. How dare you call those people with disabilities "retards?" And yes, I am extremely happy taking care of my brother. I've also tutored disabled children, and from my experiences with them, I can tell you that they have some of the most loving families because that is what they need.

 

[tk149]

I find it disturbing that so many people have opinions on this bill, but I truly doubt most of you have read it. I only saw one person quote the code itself in this thread, and that was on page 3. Some of you seem to feel very strongly one way or another about this issue. Don't you think maybe you ought to read the actual proposed law rather than what the media feeds you? The code itself is not very long.

FYI, there is nothing in this bill that defines a "fetus." I believe that, consequently, according to traditional legal norms, we use the common dictionary definition of "fetus."
From Dictionary.com
"Fetus - In humans, the unborn young from the end of the eighth week after conception to the moment of birth, as distinguished from the earlier embryo."
That means that this bill could outlaw some first trimester abortions too. I have no idea if any "PBA" are performed on first-trimester fetuses, but this definitely opens the way for more first trimester anti-abortion legislation.

Hmm...www.merriam-webster.com says "a developing human from usually three months after conception to birth " So already we have a discrepancy in what this law may actually do.

Since this thread is so long, I'll post the bill again for convenience.

The Code Link (I hope this link works. Otherwise, search for it on www.senate.gov)
Excerpt:

Sec. 1531. Partial-birth abortions prohibited

`(a) Any physician who, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, knowingly performs a partial-birth abortion and thereby kills a human fetus shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself. This subsection takes effect 1 day after the date of enactment of this chapter.

`(b) As used in this section--

`(1) the term `partial-birth abortion' means an abortion in which--

`(A) the person performing the abortion deliberately and intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until, in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother for the purpose of performing an overt act that the person knows will kill the partially delivered living fetus; and

`(B) performs the overt act, other than completion of delivery, that kills the partially delivered living fetus; and

`(2) the term `physician' means a doctor of medicine or osteopathy legally authorized to practice medicine and surgery by the State in which the doctor performs such activity, or any other individual legally authorized by the State to perform abortions: Provided, however, That any individual who is not a physician or not otherwise legally authorized by the State to perform abortions, but who nevertheless directly performs a partial-birth abortion, shall be subject to the provisions of this section.

`(c)(1) The father, if married to the mother at the time she receives a partial-birth abortion procedure, and if the mother has not attained the age of 18 years at the time of the abortion, the maternal grandparents of the fetus, may in a civil action obtain appropriate relief, unless the pregnancy resulted from the plaintiff's criminal conduct or the plaintiff consented to the abortion.

`(2) Such relief shall include--

`(A) money damages for all injuries, psychological and physical, occasioned by the violation of this section; and

`(B) statutory damages equal to three times the cost of the partial-birth abortion.

`(d)(1) A defendant accused of an offense under this section may seek a hearing before the State Medical Board on whether the physician's conduct was necessary to save the life of the mother whose life was endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself.

`(2) The findings on that issue are admissible on that issue at the trial of the defendant. Upon a motion of the defendant, the court shall delay the beginning of the trial for not more than 30 days to permit such a hearing to take place.

`(e) A woman upon whom a partial-birth abortion is performed may not be prosecuted under this section, for a conspiracy to violate this section, or for an offense under section 2, 3, or 4 of this title based on a violation of this section.'.

(b) CLERICAL AMENDMENT- The table of chapters for part I of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after the item relating to chapter 73 the following new item:
--1531'.

 

[0roo0roo]

ironic considering kill happy bush put to death 152 inmates as governor of texas. death penalty is a very republican thing😛

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
ironic considering kill happy bush put to death 152 inmates as governor of texas. death penalty is a very republican thing😛

Those were criminals. And they were found guilty by a jury, not by Bush.

 

[GoingUp]

Originally posted by: ELP
<- pro-choice, against partial birth abortions

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
ironic considering kill happy bush put to death 152 inmates as governor of texas. death penalty is a very republican thing😛

Those were criminals. And they were found guilty by a jury, not by Bush.

I wonder how many of their Mothers wished they would have aborted them

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
ironic considering kill happy bush put to death 152 inmates as governor of texas. death penalty is a very republican thing😛

Those were criminals. And they were found guilty by a jury, not by Bush.

he could have done something, he was governor, not without power. thats some consistent"all life is sacred" position he has there i guess😛