Well in that case your morals against rape and murder are just that.. morals, not absoulute. No reason people shouldn't be free to rape and murder as they please. And I feel that way because I AM AMERICAN and this country is about freedom, not about forcing your morals and beliefs on everyone else.
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Well in that case your morals against rape and murder are just that.. morals, not absoulute. No reason people shouldn't be free to rape and murder as they please. And I feel that way because I AM AMERICAN and this country is about freedom, not about forcing your morals and beliefs on everyone else.
"I think its funny that people who read things like "local boys threw rocks at my pickup truck and now the mother wont pay for it"
i guess i'll update when i get done with her at court. - stev0 08/27/2003
Nitwit never bumped the topic, so now it's archived! :disgust:
So what happened? I was hoping the mom with the juvenile delinquent kid would have to pay.
i guess i'll update when i get done with her at court. - stev0 08/27/2003
Nitwit never bumped the topic, so now it's archived! :disgust:
So what happened? I was hoping the mom with the juvenile delinquent kid would have to pay.
MegaloManiaK
Golden Member
No clue, That was the first thing that came to mind. From what i remember it sounded like they would since he had the police involved and on his side.
When you rape and murder, you are forcing your morals on others. This line becomes so gray and jagged the closer it gets to abortion that it becomes hard to find a median.
Like my stance on most things. I am pro-choice as long as that choice does not impede on others unless they are dependant on you/you are responsible for them.
I'm in favor of keeping politicians, lawyers and judges out of the relationship between a woman and her doctor. There are too many possible variables in each case to legislate exact rules. The most glaring flaw in current pending law is that it makes no exception where the proceedure may be necessary to save the live of the mother. So, to flip your question, why would someone want to kill a mother or a potential mother?
What if you didn't lay down? What if you were forced down, perhaps because your life was threatened, or you were drugged? Do you think it's right to force a woman to go through a full term pregnancy when she didn't volunteer for it?
No, there isn't. Many terminations are done because the fetus would have been born severely disabled, cruelly deformed or otherwise impared to an extent that adoption would be difficult, if not impossible. This may be a sad reflection on our society, but it doesn't negate the reality of the situation.
As sad and unappealing as it is, there are many situations where terminating a pregnancy is the best of available, undesirable options.
That brings us bac to where we started. This is a matter that should remaing between a woman and her doctor. Abortion is not manditory. No one is forcing you to make that choice, and I hope you never have to face it. There is no way you, let alone all the politicians, lawyers and loudmouth, bible thumping preachers could know enough about the details of every individual case to make that choice for anyone else. That's as good a reason as any why the Constitution says you don't have that right.
I'm amused by the fact that you can be charged with manslaughter if you kill an unborn child in a car accident, but it's perfectly legal for the mother to choose the kill the unborn child. Either it's a viable child or it's not... but the way the law is set up now it can be either depending on the situation. Plain stupid.
Also, digressing a bit from the subject, where are the fathers rights in all these laws? Why is that if two people decide to have a baby but the woman later changes her mind the father has no say in the fate of the child... but if two people decide to have a baby and the father later changes his mind he still has to pay to support the child for the next 18 years? Ughh...
FU... why can only one side voice their opinions?
DT4K
Diamond Member
WTF are you talking about?
Who are you to tell me I don't care.
Of course I care about those things.
Although conservative, I am fully supportive of everyone's right to medical care. That is one of the few welfare entitlements I think we should have.
For the other two, we already have laws to punish people who commit those crimes, so clearly it wouldn't make sense for us to be arguing that they should be illegal since they are already illegal.
What I want to know is how in the hell you pro-abortion people can defend the practice of killing a child when it's 90% born, yet complain about a father beating his child to death. By your logic, it's his child, his choice.
mithrandir2001
Diamond Member
And that is the crux of the matter. Having a severely disabled child affects your life forever (and in most cases, for the worse) and it is a reasonable decision path to say "let's not bring this child to birth" if you know beforehand the child will have complications. Minimize the overall suffering. It may be less than ideal and not the right choice for everyone but it IS a valid outcome.
DT4K
Diamond Member
I just don't get this argument.
I can accept reasonable arguments in favor of abortion.
But this whole "choice" idea is a fraud. We impose moral beliefs on society all the time. They are called laws.
I am personally against murder, but I cannot impose my views on you, so it's your choice if you want to kill a few people.
DT4K
Diamond Member
Any man that thinks like that is not a man.
But a weak, uncaring, selfish, piece of sh$t.
Yeah, sometimes life is tough.
Step up and deal with it you fvcking loser.
And you don't know what shoes I've been in so stfu.
The more I hear come out of your mouth, the more I realize what a truly useless piece of human filth you really are.
Somebody should have aborted you.
MegaloManiaK
Golden Member
never visit politics and news.
Red Dawn
Elite Member
No I could not care less because I am not going to get pregnant. On the other hand 9/11 was an attack on my country which forever changed it for the worse and had a direct negative effect on most of our lives with our government taking away our freedoms. As for the Rapist Murderer, having somebody the evil living with a close vicinity would bother me greatly, especially with friends of mine having children who could fall victim to him.
Red Dawn
Elite Member
If you notice, I did edit my post because it was so hypocritical😉
Please tell us what kind of hardships a real man like you has gone through. As for him being a loser, He is dealing with a severly disabled child so I guess that even if he wished that he would have aborted the child he didn't and he is taking care of her.
MegaloManiaK
Golden Member
Fair enough, Ill edit your quote out of mine then 🙂
Always a firm believe that a person can change thier mind about something.
This must be an AT first.
That's an old, tactless, erroneous and boring argument. I'm not even going to bother with it since it's been hashed out a bazillion times. At the end of the day, not everyone considers abortion to be murder.
As for laws being an imposition of moral beliefs, you are correct, but moral beliefs change, and laws are sometimes railroaded through the legislature despite the fact that the don't serve the majority.
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