Texas withholding birth certificates of US born babies

[Jhhnn]

Unless it's a certified birth certificate it's of no good when required by the federal government. When my daughter was born in 1985 I ordered a state issued birth certificate and her SSN card. She has both a hospital and certified state birth certificate. My son on the other hand has a US Citizen Born Abroad birth certificate issued by the US Government.

They are certified birth cetificates. Like I said, the hospital & Kaiser took care of it all.

What we're seeing in Texas is an attempt by those higher up in state govt to use a crack in their system to deny citizens their rights. It's a continuation of the usual tactics of RWA's like literacy tests, poll taxes, strict voter ID, extreme gerrymandering & prohibitive access to abortion. It also extends to civil forfeiture.

In all cases, the ends justify the means & the notions of honesty & fair play never enter their minds.

 

[CLite]

You would not hurt Texas by forcing it out of the union, though chances are it would hurt your cost of living.

I'm sure you wouldn't mind paying twice as much if not more for your gas. Texas would make far more money exporting refined gas to foreign countries than it would to other states.

Depending on where you live you may see your electricity bill increase as Texas is a power exporter as well as a natural gas exporter.

Texas, the state, does not export any refined gas. Private companies in Texas export refined gas. Private companies in Texas do not export refined gas to "other states." Private companies in Texas export refined gas to the highest bidders (factoring in transportation costs/etc.), which already includes those located in foreign countries. Cross-Atlantic Arbitrage generally favors US gasoline import as opposed to export, albeit it supports some diesel export. This fluctuates all the time though.

You may be thinking of the ban on exporting unrefined crude oil (not refined gas). Also the DOE has been approving LNG export facilities. The technical law against LNG export is not hindering the industry, it's the outrageous cost of facilities that is preventing an explosion in LNG export. Removal of the ban certainly doesn't have the power to double "if not more" the cost of gas for those within the remaining states. In-fact if you use API's somewhat self-serving and contorted logic they claim removing the crude oil ban will help lower prices, not increase prices.

 

[88keys]

Next point. How the hell are illegals aloud to use up the American court system? Next law, if you are not an American citizen, you do don't get to use the court system, unless you are the one being prosecuted.

Now let's go amend that constitution.

The constitution currently applies to and always has applied to citizens and non citizens alike.

 

[Darwin333]

If Texas seceded and then tried to extort the rest of the US using energy they would be quickly crushed militarily.

Wait, the United States would militarily "crush" an independent Texas because of their democracy and free market activities?

 

[Darwin333]

If you're going to imagine a world where the action of a state suddenly causes US energy prices to double you have to consider what the response to that would be. My guess is that it wouldn't be pretty.

Then maybe yall should stop pissing on the states that provide said energy, energy that I might remind you that your party doesn't like one bit.

Instead of using the opportunity to get off of the dirty dirty fuels those southern states that you have repeatedly shown your dislike you instead go straight to not only killing but "crushing"?

 

[nickqt]

Then maybe yall should stop pissing on the states that provide said energy, energy that I might remind you that your party doesn't like one bit.

Instead of using the opportunity to get off of the dirty dirty fuels those southern states that you have repeatedly shown your dislike you instead go straight to not only killing but "crushing"?

Democrats fucking hate energy. They hate it all day, and all night. They hate southern states, I mean Master Limbaugh screams it all day every day, and that spittle don't lie.

Democrats hate energy. Mostly because they hate America, but often because of Benghazi.

I'm so angry right now just thinking about it. Libruls. Communist libruls. America hating libruls. War against Christmas. Benghazi. Vincent Foster. Benghazi.

 

[Matthiasa]

Hospital issued birth certificate do not meet federal requirements, only a state issued birth certificate are accepted. In order to prove my citizenship status I had to acquire a state issued birth certificate even though I had a hospital issued birth certificate, passport, state drivers license, and dd-214 from my military service.

Shouldn't you have had to prove your citizenship for your passport... For export controlled areas in the us, aka us citizens or permanent resident only, for which violations can and will be prosecuted a US passport is enough to prove citizenship.

 

[sandorski]

Wait, the United States would militarily "crush" an independent Texas because of their democracy and free market activities?

Have these things stopped the US before?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Shouldn't you have had to prove your citizenship for your passport... For export controlled areas in the us, aka us citizens or permanent resident only, for which violations can and will be prosecuted a US passport is enough to prove citizenship.

The immigration department required a certified birth certificate and would not accept anything else.

 

[Jhhnn]

The immigration department required a certified birth certificate and would not accept anything else.

Just think how nice it would have been for you had your state refused to issue you a birth cert in the first place.

 

[theeedude]

They are too busy focusing on dead fetuses to issue birth certificates to live babies.

 

[hal2kilo]

Just think how nice it would have been for you had your state refused to issue you a birth cert in the first place.

Jhnn it's gotten totally ridiculous. When I moved to California, the birth certificate that I'd carried around since I left home from the Columbia Hospital for Women, with my fucking footprint on it was not good enough. I had to get a birth certificate from the District of Columbia before California would recognize it so I could get my fucking drivers license. I'm pretty sure the same applies for passports now.

What's sad and this is what Republicans are counting on is that there are a lot of old people that don't have any of these records anywhere and are being denied ID's to vote.

 

[Art&Science]

If Texas seceded and then tried to extort the rest of the US using energy they would be quickly crushed militarily.

By who? You? Like your puss ass is going to pick up a rifle and go invade Texas. Hahahahahaha. You're just some prick from New York who's all hat, and no cattle. I'm not sure if you realize but a large portion of the military is from Texas. Man, you're fucking dumb.

 

[Darwin333]

Have these things stopped the US before?

Fair enough point.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You're probably right, especially with our sitting president. He'd have no problem starting a war with Texas. Iran, not so much.

This will fit in with your crazy

 

[Jhhnn]

Jhnn it's gotten totally ridiculous. When I moved to California, the birth certificate that I'd carried around since I left home from the Columbia Hospital for Women, with my fucking footprint on it was not good enough. I had to get a birth certificate from the District of Columbia before California would recognize it so I could get my fucking drivers license. I'm pretty sure the same applies for passports now.

What's sad and this is what Republicans are counting on is that there are a lot of old people that don't have any of these records anywhere and are being denied ID's to vote.

It can be particularly difficult for older women. Traditionally, they changed their name when they married, maybe not when divorced or widowed, so they have to come up with a whole chain of paperwork to get back to a birth cert, across decades & several states in the process. Her maiden name could have been James, then her surname became Smith, Jones & now it's Walker.

Authoritarianism is like that. Nothing makes their putter flutter like a nice catch 22.

Well, for somebody else, not them.

 

[nickqt]

By who? You? Like your puss ass is going to pick up a rifle and go invade Texas. Hahahahahaha. You're just some prick from New York who's all hat, and no cattle. I'm not sure if you realize but a large portion of the military is from Texas. Man, you're fucking dumb.

Notice that the Federal Gub'mint has a lot of military bases in the South, moron.

Or don't. You're clearly fucking stupid.

 

[IronFist17]

Texas is doing the right thing. No one should follow the US constitution if it works against the country. I bet Texas people know better what they need than those guys from the White House.

 

[Sonikku]

I don't know if the left is ever going to get it. When you have a President who chooses which laws he's going to enforce and which he's not, that sets the tone for the rest of the nation. It's happening with states and cities. Sanctuary cities is the example most in the news at the moment.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

In short: It's Obama's fault Texas withholds birth certificates.

Thanks, Obama!

 

[DrPizza]

Prove who the parents are and then the birth certificates will be provided.

The parents apparently are unable to prove who they are. They are again breaking the law.

What is the confusion?

Otherwise, anyone could collect a birth certificate even though they are not the parent and/or legal guardian.

I haven't read the whole thread yet - been away for a few days. And, I hate to step on your parents' toes and tell you a little bit about the birds and the bees. But, let's sum it up. Female goes to hospital, and, surprise! It's not a stork that brings the baby, it comes out of the woman's vagina.

So, you're suggesting that a non-parent could stuff an infant up her vagina, pop it out in the delivery room, and claim they're the parent? D:

 

[JSt0rm]

I haven't read the whole thread yet - been away for a few days. And, I hate to step on your parents' toes and tell you a little bit about the birds and the bees. But, let's sum it up. Female goes to hospital, and, surprise! It's not a stork that brings the baby, it comes out of the woman's vagina.

So, you're suggesting that a non-parent could stuff an infant up her vagina, pop it out in the delivery room, and claim they're the parent? D:

But I would pay good money to see such a feat first hand. Just sayin. Or maybe he thinks the hospitals are full of liberal scum who are all working with a hive mind to make sure we have as many illegals in the country as possible and we will issue birth certificates to anyone who wants one?

 

[Rustler]

from: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-over-denied-birth-certificates-for-children/



texas wanting to not follow the u.s. Constitution.. Again..

Why don't they just secede? It's not like anyone will miss them, and less legal headaches too. Then they can do what they damn well like.

no more that what oblama does..........................................

 

[Joepublic2]

If Texas seceded and then tried to extort the rest of the US using energy they would be quickly crushed militarily.

True, but then you'd have quite an insurgency on your hands. I see lots of federal buildings blowing up/lots of dead feds. It'd make Iraq look like a cake walk.

 

[cabri]

I haven't read the whole thread yet - been away for a few days. And, I hate to step on your parents' toes and tell you a little bit about the birds and the bees. But, let's sum it up. Female goes to hospital, and, surprise! It's not a stork that brings the baby, it comes out of the woman's vagina.

So, you're suggesting that a non-parent could stuff an infant up her vagina, pop it out in the delivery room, and claim they're the parent? D:

Birth certificates are not issued by the hospital - those are certificates of birth.

Difference.
Many states do not accept the certificate of birth (Hospital) as a legal document.
The Birth Certificate from the government is the legal document.
Those can be requested by anyone by paying the fee to the local issuing office.

Texas is going one step further and making sure that the person is legit.

 

[HumblePie]

Birth certificates are not issued by the hospital - those are certificates of birth.

Difference.
Many states do not accept the certificate of birth (Hospital) as a legal document.
The Birth Certificate from the government is the legal document.
Those can be requested by anyone by paying the fee to the local issuing office.

Texas is going one step further and making sure that the person is legit.

Yah pretty much this^

I had to go to the local SS office to get my son's Birth Certificate. Got both the full page long form and the short stubbie one for my records. Needed them to put my son on my insurance from work. They asked me for the valid ID as well as the hospital name bursar document and something else from the hospital if I remember to prove I had a son, he was born in the hospital, and that the hospital registered the birth of my son and that I was the legal parent. Once all that was proved they printed it out right there and I took the documents home after paying the fee's to print them.

Basically illegals I guess aren't now able to show legal documentation of whom they are that will allow them to request the birth certificate. It's not the same thing as saying the child isn't a legal US citizen, but just that the parents can't prove it until they prove themselves first.

It's an end around loophole play and I'm not sure what my exact opinion of the practice of it is.