Texas withholding birth certificates of US born babies

[Jhhnn]

Birth certificates are not issued by the hospital - those are certificates of birth.

Difference.
Many states do not accept the certificate of birth (Hospital) as a legal document.
The Birth Certificate from the government is the legal document.
Those can be requested by anyone by paying the fee to the local issuing office.

Texas is going one step further and making sure that the person is legit.

Gawd. Texas is going one step further, alright, denying natural born American citizens their Constitutional rights, the infants.

Shamanistic spin doctors dancing around the fire, chanting & waving their rattles doesn't change that one bit.

It's a shameful display of spite & bigotry.

 

[cabri]

Gawd. Texas is going one step further, alright, denying natural born American citizens their Constitutional rights, the infants.

Shamanistic spin doctors dancing around the fire, chanting & waving their rattles doesn't change that one bit.

It's a shameful display of spite & bigotry.

They are not denying the infant the certificate.

They are requesting that the parents show proof of who they are in order to claim the certificate.

People want to obtain certificates without proving who they are. Big difference.

 

[Jhhnn]

They are not denying the infant the certificate.

They are requesting that the parents show proof of who they are in order to claim the certificate.

People want to obtain certificates without proving who they are. Big difference.

No difference, Just a really shitty & Un-American Catch22. It's authoritarian assholery & everybody knows it, including you. Nobody looks good standing on that mountain of chickenshit.

The Constitution provides all the rights & obligations of citizenship to anybody born in US jurisdiction. One of those rights is to be able to prove it with parents only acting as proxies until that citizen reaches the age of 18. If you deny their proxies, you deny their rights, facile deceptions not withstanding.

 

[HumblePie]

No difference, Just a really shitty & Un-American Catch22. It's authoritarian assholery & everybody knows it, including you. Nobody looks good standing on that mountain of chickenshit.

The Constitution provides all the rights & obligations of citizenship to anybody born in US jurisdiction. One of those rights is to be able to prove it with parents only acting as proxies until that citizen reaches the age of 18. If you deny their proxies, you deny their rights, facile deceptions not withstanding.

Well the kids have every right and ability to walk in and claim their own certificates....

 

[cabri]

No difference, Just a really shitty & Un-American Catch22. It's authoritarian assholery & everybody knows it, including you. Nobody looks good standing on that mountain of chickenshit.

The Constitution provides all the rights & obligations of citizenship to anybody born in US jurisdiction. One of those rights is to be able to prove it with parents only acting as proxies until that citizen reaches the age of 18. If you deny their proxies, you deny their rights, facile deceptions not withstanding.

The children nor the proxies are not being denied to obtain the paperwork. The proxiesjust need to show who they are.

And they are refusing to do so.

 

[Brainonska511]

Well the kids have every right and ability to walk in and claim their own certificates....

And what sort of ID would be required for them to walk in and claim their own birth certificate? Perhaps some form of ID that requires a birth certificate to obtain in the first place...

 

[Joepublic2]

And what sort of ID would be required for them to walk in and claim their own birth certificate? Perhaps some form of ID that requires a birth certificate to obtain in the first place...

GG Texas. *Golf clap*

 

[Rakehellion]

"Immigrants", " undocumented", haha I love the intentional avoidance of the word illegal.

"Unconstitutional."

I love the intentional avoidance of the word illegal.

 

[HumblePie]

And what sort of ID would be required for them to walk in and claim their own birth certificate? Perhaps some form of ID that requires a birth certificate to obtain in the first place...

Hence my use of ellipses with my statement.

 

[Jhhnn]

The children nor the proxies are not being denied to obtain the paperwork. The proxiesjust need to show who they are.

And they are refusing to do so.

Hogwash. The parents are simply unable to meet the more stringent ID requirements that chickenshit authoritarians know they can't provide. ID from their country of origin consulate isn't good enough anymore.

As a citizen, that child has the right to attend public school & receive the same benefits as the rest of us. Honest people accept that, believe in it, because they believe in the Constitution. South of the Mason Dixon line, they've always striven to deprive some people of their rights with some sort of lie or another & this is no different. That's why we adopted the 14th amendment in the first place.

 

[Sonikku]

It's kind of like Texas' abortion laws. "We aren't repealing roe vs wade, we're just raising the requirements to such unprecedented levels that hardly any clinic in Texas can provide one is all."

Same shit, different day.

 

[Brainonska511]

Hence my use of ellipses with my statement.

My apologies.

 

[cabri]

Hogwash. The parents are simply unable to meet the more stringent ID requirements that chickenshit authoritarians know they can't provide. ID from their country of origin consulate isn't good enough anymore.

As a citizen, that child has the right to attend public school & receive the same benefits as the rest of us. Honest people accept that, believe in it, because they believe in the Constitution. South of the Mason Dixon line, they've always striven to deprive some people of their rights with some sort of lie or another & this is no different. That's why we adopted the 14th amendment in the first place.

Why can the parents not provide an ID from their own country? What is stopping them from doing so?

The suit claims the state refused birth certificates for 23 children because the parents could not provide the proper photo identification under state law.

Is Texas is not saying that the other country ID is not acceptable for proof of who the person is?

In 2013, local jurisdictions stopped accepting consulate cards, called “matriculas,” under state pressure. Immigrants had been able to get matriculas from their home country’s consulate in the state, but since have had to show their foreign driver’s license or border ID card as primary verification. Passports without U.S. visas don’t count.

Van Deussen emphasized that matriculas weren’t secure forms of identification. He said “the issuer doesn’t verify data or documents that go into them.”

The purpose of enforcing the ID rules is in part to ensure parents are who they say they are. Van Deussen said while the agency is committed to getting people the documents, they also have a duty to ensure people provide valid information to prevent fraud and ID theft.

“This is not a policy that’s based on anybody’s immigrant status, it is based on the ID a person can present.”

Did they make the choice to not have the ID?


There is ID theft that benefits illegals and an actual black market for identification data

 

[piasabird]

Homeland security has laws about photo ID's. It is not just state laws. You cant even enroll for a class at a college without a photo ID. How do you release medical information to someone if they cant prove who they are? I work at a community college and have to regularly receive classes on FERPA and HIPPA laws. There are certain federal requirements when it comes to releasing medical records.

On a birth certificate you have to put the name of the mother. This requires a photo ID.

However, they could just be being mean in how they approach the enforcement of these laws. It is kind of hard to say you don't know who the mother is when the doctor just saw her deliver a baby. Lets be a little realistic. I do think however, if they don't pay their bill you don't have to help them get their paperwork.