Texashiker
Lifer
Not just phrase, but also actions.
Lets do multiple choice.
Phrase - "I was born in the wrong body"
Proposed solution:
A. Cut leg off so I can be an amputee.
B. Cut penis off so I can be a woman.
Which one is mentally ill?
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Not just phrase, but also actions.
Lets do multiple choice.
Phrase - "I was born in the wrong body"
Proposed solution:
A. Cut leg off so I can be an amputee.
B. Cut penis off so I can be a woman.
Which one is mentally ill?
alzan
Diamond Member
Sorry, I do not subscribe to your simplistic black/white, either/or view of the world.
AyashiKaibutsu
Diamond Member
Where I substitute taught in Florida several years ago, there was no union for subs. You processed into their system and then just received offers on a daily basis for work. It was basically a temp job.
Texashiker
Lifer
I do not know.
Our politically correct society says we have to excuse certain sexual behavior as being normal.
If that same behavior was exhibited outside of a sexual nature it would be condemned.
If tying your leg and acting like an amputee is a form of mental illness, then so is dressing up and acting like the opposite sex.
smackababy
Lifer
If you listen to what a lot of anti marriage equality, it is the same / similar to those that were anti racial equality. The phrases are interchangeable.
Deny rights based on race, bigot.
Deny rights based on sexual preference, not bigot.
alzan
Diamond Member
Hint: "normal" is a subjective term.
Texashiker
Lifer
You are somewhat right and I somewhat agree with you.
However, race is not a choice, sexual preference is.
Why should society accommodate a perverted lifestyle?
Atomic Playboy
Lifer
Doctors disagree with your assertion that sexual preference is a choice, and as you have absolutely no training in neurobiology, your uneducated opinion on the matter is essentially worthless.
Texashiker
Lifer
So is yours.
As discussed in a previous thread, Spartans lived a gay lifestyle in the military. Since most Spartans served in the military, where did baby Spartans come from?
Sheik Yerbouti
Lifer
:thumbsup:
smackababy
Lifer
I agree! We should stop accommodating the ignorance spewed by people who think a book written 2,000 years ago trumps science. The world would be a much better place.
Atomic Playboy
Lifer
Fair enough. So let's skip right past our uneducated opinions and go with what the doctors say; human sexuality is neither a binary opposition nor a conscious choice. Neither one of us has the credentials to refute the accepted medical wisdom on the subject, so we're forced to accept it.
Texashiker
Lifer
Remind me again how many times doctors and scientific studies have been wrong?
Scientist can not even agree on global warming, but they can agree on sex?
More like they have a theory on sex. And every time the wind blows the theory will change.
You are not playing nice.
Please quote when I referenced religion.
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Atomic Playboy
Lifer
Too late; we've already agreed our own opinions on the matter are worthless given our complete lack of training in any areas applicable to neuroscience. However, if you do decide to pursue an education or career in neuroscience to help solve this medical dilemma once and for all, the world could be a better place for it. Something to consider.
smackababy
Lifer
I think you need to reread those global warming studies. Science is in agreement that is happening, they only disagree with how much, if any, humans are increasing the speed at which it occurs.
Furthermore, nice argument "scientists are sometimes wrong, so they are always wrong".
I never said you did. Simply that we should stop accommodating, as a society, willful ignorance, especially such that leads to discrimination and hatred.
BoberFett
Lifer
So now that we're hearing cross dressers should be a protected class, because it's not an action, it's how they were born.
As the leftists around here have become fond of saying, conservatism is a genetic defect. Does that mean that firing someone for donating to a right wing cause - something that they can't change if their genes make them conservative - makes you a bigot?
:hmm:
As the leftists around here have become fond of saying, conservatism is a genetic defect. Does that mean that firing someone for donating to a right wing cause - something that they can't change if their genes make them conservative - makes you a bigot?
:hmm:
Texashiker
Lifer
So when do we stop accommodating cross dressers?
smackababy
Lifer
Never. Who gets to determine what clothing is acceptable for each gender? And why is it perfectly acceptable for a women to wear men's clothing and not the other way around? If a teacher had worn Wranglers, work boots, and a t-shirt nobody would be causing a fuss, regardless of which gender she identified with. Same with if she had worn a suit.
Soundmanred
Lifer
It would be a sad life to love so full of hate and caring so much about what others do. I simply can't imagine living like that.
shira
Diamond Member
It's useless to try to educate bigots. Citing the statements of authoritative bodies is lost on these know-nothings. They lack all ability to understand nuance. To them, it is impossible that a completely sane person born with a penis can think and feel and self-identify as a woman.
But let's try:
Imagine a completely normal woman who awoke one morning to find that her female body had been replaced with a male body. Yet in every other way this person continued to experience the world as a woman. If this could actually happen, would you call this person "insane" for continuing to insist "I'm a woman"?
Or is it possible that a totally sane person can look at their body and their feelings and say, "I can see that I have a penis, a square jaw, a muscular physique, and lots of facial hair that needs to be shaved every day. I can see that in every physically-detectable way I have a man's body. But my body doesn't define my gender. In every psychological way that a person knows whether they're a man or a woman, I know that I'm a woman."
Well, this is exactly the state that transgender people find themselves in: their perception of their own gender is exactly the opposite of their biological gender. And professional bodies who assess mental illness do not list being a transgender person as a mental illness.
But of course, the right-wing know-nothings have an opinion. And because they just aren't capable of "getting" what a transgender really is, they make the gross oversimplification that it's just "cross-dressing" and insist it's a mental illness.
If all of the right-wing bigots were replaced with transgender, the world would be a lot better place.
But let's try:
Imagine a completely normal woman who awoke one morning to find that her female body had been replaced with a male body. Yet in every other way this person continued to experience the world as a woman. If this could actually happen, would you call this person "insane" for continuing to insist "I'm a woman"?
Or is it possible that a totally sane person can look at their body and their feelings and say, "I can see that I have a penis, a square jaw, a muscular physique, and lots of facial hair that needs to be shaved every day. I can see that in every physically-detectable way I have a man's body. But my body doesn't define my gender. In every psychological way that a person knows whether they're a man or a woman, I know that I'm a woman."
Well, this is exactly the state that transgender people find themselves in: their perception of their own gender is exactly the opposite of their biological gender. And professional bodies who assess mental illness do not list being a transgender person as a mental illness.
But of course, the right-wing know-nothings have an opinion. And because they just aren't capable of "getting" what a transgender really is, they make the gross oversimplification that it's just "cross-dressing" and insist it's a mental illness.
If all of the right-wing bigots were replaced with transgender, the world would be a lot better place.
schneiderguy
Lifer
Interesting scenario, but that doesn't happen in real life.
How do they know that they're a woman? I thought gender is a social construct? :hmm:
On a related note, I discovered this morning that on the inside I am a tortoise, despite all outward appearances of me being a human. If you disagree you're a bigot and need to check your non-transtortoise privilege.
schneiderguy
Lifer
Due to female privilege, it is acceptable for women to wear men's clothes but not vice versa.
Probably for a good reason, actually. Which one will scare the children?
brycejones
Lifer
No, schneiderguy hates it when his hookers where pants and a blazer. What other "professional" setting should women be in?
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