Texas Public Schools now *required* to teach the bible

[babylon5]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: sapiens74
So we are to ignore the biggest literary work in history?

To teach what?


Theory?

Why not just teach:

Reading, writing, arithmetic, science, history, geography, foreign language? What's wrong with that?

Who says that the Bible is the "biggest literary work in history"? What if Aristotle's works are really the biggest literary work in history since his work is the foundation of Western Civilization? (It was Aristotle's legacy and reason that gave us electricity and computers, not the Bible. The Bible gave us the Dark Ages and the Inquisition. The rediscovery of Aristotle gave us the Renaissance and modern society.)

Exactly. What American students need to know to compete in 21st century is more religion with fantasy ideas from the dark past.

 

[sapiens74]

Originally posted by: babylon5

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: sapiens74
So we are to ignore the biggest literary work in history?

To teach what?


Theory?

Why not just teach:

Reading, writing, arithmetic, science, history, geography, foreign language? What's wrong with that?

Who says that the Bible is the "biggest literary work in history"? What if Aristotle's works are really the biggest literary work in history since his work is the foundation of Western Civilization? (It was Aristotle's legacy and reason that gave us electricity and computers, not the Bible. The Bible gave us the Dark Ages and the Inquisition. The rediscovery of Aristotle gave us the Renaissance and modern society.)

Exactly. What American students need to know to compete in 21st century is more religion with fantasy ideas from the dark past.

They haven't been teaching anything

You wonder why our children are dumbasses and keep falling behind in the world, keep ignoring the facts


At least they know how to perform oral sex, which would explain one of our biggest exports in pornography

 

[babylon5]

LoL

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: sapiens74

Originally posted by: babylon5
Exactly. What American students need to know to compete in 21st century is more religion with fantasy ideas from the dark past.

They haven't been teaching anything

You wonder why our children are dumbasses and keep falling behind in the world, keep ignoring the facts

At least they know how to perform oral sex, which would explain one of our biggest exports in pornography

What would these "facts" be?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: sapiens74

Originally posted by: babylon5

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: sapiens74
So we are to ignore the biggest literary work in history?

To teach what?


Theory?

Why not just teach:

Reading, writing, arithmetic, science, history, geography, foreign language? What's wrong with that?

Who says that the Bible is the "biggest literary work in history"? What if Aristotle's works are really the biggest literary work in history since his work is the foundation of Western Civilization? (It was Aristotle's legacy and reason that gave us electricity and computers, not the Bible. The Bible gave us the Dark Ages and the Inquisition. The rediscovery of Aristotle gave us the Renaissance and modern society.)

Exactly. What American students need to know to compete in 21st century is more religion with fantasy ideas from the dark past.

They haven't been teaching anything

You wonder why our children are dumbasses and keep falling behind in the world, keep ignoring the facts


At least they know how to perform oral sex, which would explain one of our biggest exports in pornography

youre right. Just google "jailbait" to see the state of our schools

 

[heymrdj]

Why do you have to pay for the religion that is the theory of evolution to be crammed down our throats. See the entire problem is the fact that you can't teach any science without involving an unknown falsity, ie a religion. It is a belief that we banged into existence (I would still like to know where this dust came from), it is a belief that a supreme being made us. Somebody's gotta pay for the one they don't want. I don't see why I should have to pay to go to a school that teaches what I believe to be the false "science" and theory of evolution.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: heymrdj
Why do you have to pay for the religion that is the theory of evolution to be crammed down our throats. See the entire problem is the fact that you can't teach any science without involving an unknown falsity, ie a religion. It is a belief that we banged into existence (I would still like to know where this dust came from), it is a belief that a supreme being made us. Somebody's gotta pay for the one they don't want. I don't see why I should have to pay to go to a school that teaches what I believe to be the false "science" and theory of evolution.

Theory != theory

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: heymrdj
Why do you have to pay for the religion that is the theory of evolution to be crammed down our throats. See the entire problem is the fact that you can't teach any science without involving an unknown falsity, ie a religion. It is a belief that we banged into existence (I would still like to know where this dust came from), it is a belief that a supreme being made us. Somebody's gotta pay for the one they don't want. I don't see why I should have to pay to go to a school that teaches what I believe to be the false "science" and theory of evolution.

No one is cramming anything. Its not a voluntary class. It will be cramming down someones throat as much as the church down the street they never visit-not at all.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: heymrdj
Why do you have to pay for the religion that is the theory of evolution to be crammed down our throats. See the entire problem is the fact that you can't teach any science without involving an unknown falsity, ie a religion. It is a belief that we banged into existence (I would still like to know where this dust came from), it is a belief that a supreme being made us. Somebody's gotta pay for the one they don't want. I don't see why I should have to pay to go to a school that teaches what I believe to be the false "science" and theory of evolution.

Much of science is well proven (It's not angels bowling that causes thunder and the earth is not flat) so it's not just educating people on "The big bang theory"

Oh and that device you used to post this message.. you can thank science and theory for that too or did the holy ghost invent the computer?

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Thats my understanding as well, and I certainly dont have a problem with it. My view is (probably unpopular) to deny the fact that biblical teachings arent at the root of our country (given references to God EVERYWHERE) it isnt far fetched to at least teach a class on the history. I understand the question of access; however, the reality is we cant accomodate everyone. Whats next? We need classes on Buddhism? Islam? Hinduism? Where do we stop?

The United States of America was not founded on Christian principles.

The word 'God' is not in the U S Constitution.

"Under God" was introduced into the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954.

"In God we trust" was first used on paper money in 1957.

"In God We Trust" did not appear on coins until the War Between the States - and the appearance then is tenuous as a minister requested:

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  One fact touching our currency has hitherto been seriously overlooked. I mean the recognition of the Almighty God in some form on our coins.
  
  You are probably a Christian. What if our Republic were not shattered beyond reconstruction? Would not the antiquaries of succeeding centuries rightly reason from our past that we were a heathen nation? What I propose is that instead of the goddess of liberty we shall have next inside the 13 stars a ring inscribed with the words PERPETUAL UNION; within the ring the allseeing eye, crowned with a halo; beneath this eye the American flag, bearing in its field stars equal to the number of the States united; in the folds of the bars the words GOD, LIBERTY, LAW.
  
  This would make a beautiful coin, to which no possible citizen could object. This would relieve us from the ignominy of heathenism. This would place us openly under the Divine protection we have personally claimed. From my hearth I have felt our national shame in disowning God as not the least of our present national disasters.

Did you miss the part about men being "endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights" ?

You guys fail at history.

The use you cite in context of the time it was utilized was deist or Unitarian in nature, not Christian. And you convieniently left out the citation in the Declaration of Independence in the line above "endowed by their Creator' that states: Nature's Law and Nature's God

Perhaps you should read the Federalist Papers, the writings of Jefferson and Tom Paine, and those of Adams and Franklin.

Perhaps you should too. Natures Law and Natures God werent Jefferson's creations. There is a very deep historical history for those words. Which include God.

You should start reading here.

 

[m1ldslide1]

The one Christian I knew who took a bible-studies literature class in college found it very challenging to his faith. As most know, when the book is examined within historical context and without bias (you know - when all the magic stuff isn't taken literally) the Christian faith construct all falls apart very quickly. Therefore I seriously doubt that these courses are going to be strictly academic...

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: heymrdj
Why do you have to pay for the religion that is the theory of evolution to be crammed down our throats. See the entire problem is the fact that you can't teach any science without involving an unknown falsity, ie a religion. It is a belief that we banged into existence (I would still like to know where this dust came from), it is a belief that a supreme being made us. Somebody's gotta pay for the one they don't want. I don't see why I should have to pay to go to a school that teaches what I believe to be the false "science" and theory of evolution.

No one is cramming anything. Its not a voluntary class. It will be cramming down someones throat as much as the church down the street they never visit-not at all.

Most of them don't get that.

Being that it's an elective, just like foreign languages, it's just more complaining about something just because they don't agree with it.

involving an unknown falsity, ie a religion

How exacty can it be a falsity if it is an unknown?

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

No evidence, eh? So, if I Google up "Intelligent Design", I will find zero results?

This is one of the worst arguments in favor of ID I've ever seen.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
The one Christian I knew who took a bible-studies literature class in college found it very challenging to his faith. As most know, when the book is examined within historical context and without bias (you know - when all the magic stuff isn't taken literally) the Christian faith construct all falls apart very quickly. Therefore I seriously doubt that these courses are going to be strictly academic...

I would agree with you if it weren't for the fact that this is happening in Texas. Maybe .0005% of the population there is agnostic/atheist so the chance of that class being taught unbiased is slim to none.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: heymrdj
Why do you have to pay for the religion that is the theory of evolution to be crammed down our throats. See the entire problem is the fact that you can't teach any science without involving an unknown falsity, ie a religion. It is a belief that we banged into existence (I would still like to know where this dust came from), it is a belief that a supreme being made us. Somebody's gotta pay for the one they don't want. I don't see why I should have to pay to go to a school that teaches what I believe to be the false "science" and theory of evolution.

The fail density in this post is staggering.

As her209 pointed out, you do not understand the meaning of the word "theory" in a scientific context.

Evolution is not a religion.

Science is not religion.

The big bang is not evolution.

The big bang is not "something coming from nothing."

The big bang is a mathematical model, period.

The big bang is not "the beginning."

Maybe you should've paid closer attention in class.

 

[imported_inspire]

Originally posted by: guyver01
Texas public schools now required to teach the Bible

As of the 2009-2010 school year public schools in Texas are now required to offer a high school elective course on the literature of the Bible and history of that era. House Bill No. 1287 explains that the course ?must be taught in an objective and non-devotional manner that does not attempt to indoctrinate students as to either the truth or falsity of the Judeo-Christian biblical materials?. It goes on to say that schools can add courses on other religious texts if they would like, but only the one on the Bible is required.




Looks like the 1st amendment is now dead.
Any bets on which amendment is next?

Get a fucking life.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

No evidence, eh? So, if I Google up "Intelligent Design", I will find zero results?

This is one of the worst arguments in favor of ID I've ever seen.

I thought the same thing when I read that post. What kind of numbskull thinks that "no evidence" necessarily means "no google results," and conversely that the existence of google results amount to evidence?

Jesus Christ can a person get any dumber?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Why not just teach:

Reading, writing, arithmetic, science, history, geography, foreign language? What's wrong with that?

Who says that the Bible is the "biggest literary work in history"? What if Aristotle's works are really the biggest literary work in history since his work is the foundation of Western Civilization? (It was Aristotle's legacy and reason that gave us electricity and computers, not the Bible. The Bible gave us the Dark Ages and the Inquisition. The rediscovery of Aristotle gave us the Renaissance and modern society.)

the dark ages were largely due to the illiteracy of the waves of germanic tribes conquering western europe, many of whom were not christian until well after they'd settled. the church maintained places of learning in that time and contributed to human knowledge. the dark ages would have been dark regardless of whether the tribes had converted or not.

 

[sandorski]

I suspect that forcing Schools to offer this, even as an Elective, is going to cause it to Fail a Court challenge. It is clearly an attempt to backdoor a Religious view onto Schools.

 

[sactoking]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
How so?

If I had a store and I only sold one brand of video cards might you say that I'm promoting just that one brand of video cards?

Nope. Just off the top of my head you:

a) might not have a distribution agreement with any other brands
b) might have an Apple store

It's the old god vs the flying spaghetti monster argument. "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". Or, more broadly, absence is not disapproval.

After all, if you go to one friend's wedding and not the other, are you endorsing just the one? No.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Why not just teach:

Reading, writing, arithmetic, science, history, geography, foreign language? What's wrong with that?

Who says that the Bible is the "biggest literary work in history"? What if Aristotle's works are really the biggest literary work in history since his work is the foundation of Western Civilization? (It was Aristotle's legacy and reason that gave us electricity and computers, not the Bible. The Bible gave us the Dark Ages and the Inquisition. The rediscovery of Aristotle gave us the Renaissance and modern society.)

the dark ages were largely due to the illiteracy of the waves of germanic tribes conquering western europe, many of whom were not christian until well after they'd settled. the church maintained places of learning in that time and contributed to human knowledge. the dark ages would have been dark regardless of whether the tribes had converted or not.

That is very true. The church being the only people able to read during that time put them in a position of very high power. Those that do not know how to read have always been at the mercy of those who could. The only reason they wanted to "enlighten" the masses was to gain more followers.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
The one Christian I knew who took a bible-studies literature class in college found it very challenging to his faith. As most know, when the book is examined within historical context and without bias (you know - when all the magic stuff isn't taken literally) the Christian faith construct all falls apart very quickly. Therefore I seriously doubt that these courses are going to be strictly academic...

This is news to me...very interesting...please elaborate.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
The one Christian I knew who took a bible-studies literature class in college found it very challenging to his faith. As most know, when the book is examined within historical context and without bias (you know - when all the magic stuff isn't taken literally) the Christian faith construct all falls apart very quickly. Therefore I seriously doubt that these courses are going to be strictly academic...

This is news to me...very interesting...please elaborate.

Me too. Was quite the opposite in my experience.

 

[sapiens74]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: sapiens74

Originally posted by: babylon5
Exactly. What American students need to know to compete in 21st century is more religion with fantasy ideas from the dark past.

They haven't been teaching anything

You wonder why our children are dumbasses and keep falling behind in the world, keep ignoring the facts

At least they know how to perform oral sex, which would explain one of our biggest exports in pornography

What would these "facts" be?

The bible has had a major historical influence

Wars, Governments, backlash

Great teaching tool


Teach, the good bad and the ugly about it

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Will they also be offering classes in:

Atheist studies?

Islamic studies? Jewish studies? Buddhist studies? Hindu studies? Shinto? Cthulu studies? Flying Spaghetti Monster studies?

If not then they're basically promoting a religion.

Promoting is not establishing.