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Jhhnn

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Yes, you do know that false registration is the first and a necessary step to vote fraud don't you?
Yes, we all know the evil Dems want voter fraud. Quite why remains a mystery, however. Maybe it has to do with conservatives' overactive amygdalas rendering them chumps for conspiracy theory.
 

imported_tajmahal

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Yes, we all know the evil Dems want voter fraud. Quite why remains a mystery, however. Maybe it has to do with conservatives' overactive amygdalas rendering them chumps for conspiracy theory.
It simply has to do with the Democrats trying to win elections by any means necessary. It's not complicated or a conspiracy or beyond expectations. You support it as long as it results in more winning by Democrats and more losing by Republicans.
 

Jhhnn

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It simply has to do with the Democrats trying to win elections by any means necessary. It's not complicated or a conspiracy or beyond expectations. You support it as long as it results in more winning by Democrats and more losing by Republicans.
Which is conspiracy theory. It's also a slur against all the honest people who work in registrar's offices all across the country. Nobody wants voter fraud. It is, consequently, vigorously prosecuted when found & not a factor at all.

Dems just want everybody who has the right to vote to exercise it. Republicans obviously don't.
 

nickqt

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It simply has to do with the Democrats trying to win elections by any means necessary. It's not complicated or a conspiracy or beyond expectations. You support it as long as it results in more winning by Democrats and more losing by Republicans.
That you repeat this Alex Jones talking point means that you are without a doubt a masssive fucking idiot...but a very, very useful idiot.

Go cower in your safe space until Strongman Trump says it’s safe to come out, dumbfuck.
 

pmv

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Pretty sure there are easier forms of voter fraud than trying to persuade people who are afraid of deportation and desperate to stay under-the-radar to try and register to vote. I think those fellows have other priorities, so anyone wanting to fix a ballot would be ill-advised to rely on them.
 

umbrella39

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I’m glad Taj has admitted they are trying to win by any means necessary.
Remember... its' very difficult to only disenfranchise black liberal votes... they are still trying their best to figure out how to spot the black person in a crowd that votes republican and how they can make sure their vote is the one that counts...

It's shameful and should be punishable by jail time. These politicians who are trying to make sure black votes don't count should be behind bars...
 

imported_tajmahal

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Pretty sure there are easier forms of voter fraud than trying to persuade people who are afraid of deportation and desperate to stay under-the-radar to try and register to vote. I think those fellows have other priorities, so anyone wanting to fix a ballot would be ill-advised to rely on them.
How about listing them for us?
 

Vic

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You mean spam texts?


https://www.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/election/article220344070.html

"A class action lawsuit filed against the Beto for Texas campaign claims the organization sent text messages to Texans without obtaining their permission, violating the Telephone Consumer Protection Act."
Are you claiming that Republican campaigns have never used spam texts and robocalls? Hmm... I wonder how often Republican campaigns have spam texted or robocalled non-citizens?
 

Vic

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I’m glad Taj has admitted they are trying to win by any means necessary.
If you spend a little time in the extreme right's world, and you see that they live in an echo chamber of paranoid fantasies. To them, Democrats and liberals don't just have different ideas and opinions, they are a violent organized conspiracy led by globalist Jews hellbent on wiping out their white cultural identity and enslaving them to godless socialism by any means necessary. They really believe that bullshit. So yes, they are desperate in the same extreme as they imagine their adversaries are.

Unfortunately, it's paranoid bullshit.
 

pmv

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How about listing them for us?
Suppression being the obvious one, one that the US has employed against black people for over a century.

But there's also straight-forward ballot-box stuffing and stealing the votes of people who you know won't get to the polling station. Also postal voting is somewhat vulnerable to fraud. Many techniques have been used in various countries but getting non-enfranchised non-citizens to register in the hope they'd vote for you (and not get caught and deported) doesn't seem to be a particularly common or reliable method.
 

imported_tajmahal

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Suppression being the obvious one, one that the US has employed against black people for over a century.

But there's also straight-forward ballot-box stuffing and stealing the votes of people who you know won't get to the polling station. Also postal voting is somewhat vulnerable to fraud. Many techniques have been used in various countries but getting non-enfranchised non-citizens to register in the hope they'd vote for you (and not get caught and deported) doesn't seem to be a particularly common or reliable method.
You mean politics as practiced by Democrat politicians in New York and Chicago?
 

Jhhnn

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Conservatives will fall for anything in the right conspiracy theory frame. "Texas Democrats ask non-citizens to vote" is just that.

Let's say it's true, that pre-checked registration forms were sent out. So what?

Non-citizens know they aren't citizens. They don't want any bullshit, either. The pre-checked boxes at the top of the form tell them that they can just pitch it. So they do. I'm not really seeing a problem here...
 

Vic

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Did you see me claim that? No?
So you're admitting that the Republicans have done the same thing that you're freaking out about in your OP? Or are trying to claim that not one Republican campaign mass mailer, spam text, and robocall ever went to a non-citizen?
 

Vic

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You mean politics as practiced by Democrat politicians in New York and Chicago?
Yet again you argue that it's okay for you to do bad things because you can allege that other people do bad things too. And somehow, that makes it right.

You are arguably the most amoral poster here.
 

bshole

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If you spend a little time in the extreme right's world, and you see that they live in an echo chamber of paranoid fantasies. To them, Democrats and liberals don't just have different ideas and opinions, they are a violent organized conspiracy led by globalist Jews hellbent on wiping out their white cultural identity and enslaving them to godless socialism by any means necessary. They really believe that bullshit. So yes, they are desperate in the same extreme as they imagine their adversaries are.

Unfortunately, it's paranoid bullshit.
This is where the labels get confusing. I have heard all of the following Jews labelled as being part of the "far right":
Dennis Prager
Dave Rubin
Ben Shapiro
Eric Weinstein
Sam Harris
Milo Yiannopolis
Mark Levin
Bret Weinstein
Andrew Klavan
Matt Drudge
Michael Savage
etc...

So are a bunch of "far right" Jews calling out a conspiracy of socialist Jews trying to wipe out Western civilization? It should be noted that there has been a distinct shift in youtube political commentary with a marked increase of conservative channels funded by billionaires skyrocketing. This IDW movement may have the backing of billionaires (Koch Brothers/Peter Theil being the most prominent) and an alternative to youtube with MASSIVE funding may be in the works. This has been discussed openly on the Rubin Report.

It must be noted that the far left Islamic part of America is down with the Jewish conspiracy narrative. Farakkan comparing the Jews to termites being the more recent example.
 

Vic

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This is where the labels get confusing. I have heard all of the following Jews labelled as being part of the "far right":
Dennis Prager
Dave Rubin
Ben Shapiro
Eric Weinstein
Sam Harris
Milo Yiannopolis
Mark Levin
Bret Weinstein
Andrew Klavan
Matt Drudge
Michael Savage
etc...

So are a bunch of "far right" Jews calling out a conspiracy of socialist Jews trying to wipe out Western civilization? It should be noted that there has been a distinct shift in youtube political commentary with a marked increase of conservative channels funded by billionaires skyrocketing. This IDW movement may have the backing of billionaires (Koch Brothers/Peter Theil being the most prominent) and an alternative to youtube with MASSIVE funding may be in the works. This has been discussed openly on the Rubin Report.

It must be noted that the far left Islamic part of America is down with the Jewish conspiracy narrative. Farakkan comparing the Jews to termites being the more recent example.
You seem to be of the mistaken perception that extremists use logic and facts when framing their views.
They don't. They use emotion and confirmation bias. They're particularly driven by paranoia, that somehow they're the would-be victims of some grand nebulous conspiracy.
When of course, the only real conspiracy here is the very open one, where all of those names you listed (including Farakkan) are just making a living playing suckers.
 
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pmv

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You mean politics as practiced by Democrat politicians in New York and Chicago?
Have no idea what they get up to now, but I don't think there's much doubt that there's been a lot of electoral shennanigans in US history, by both major parties.


This is where the labels get confusing. I have heard all of the following Jews labelled as being part of the "far right":
Dennis Prager
Dave Rubin
Ben Shapiro
Eric Weinstein
Sam Harris
Milo Yiannopolis
Mark Levin
Bret Weinstein
Andrew Klavan
Matt Drudge
Michael Savage
etc...

So are a bunch of "far right" Jews calling out a conspiracy of socialist Jews trying to wipe out Western civilization? It should be noted that there has been a distinct shift in youtube political commentary with a marked increase of conservative channels funded by billionaires skyrocketing. This IDW movement may have the backing of billionaires (Koch Brothers/Peter Theil being the most prominent) and an alternative to youtube with MASSIVE funding may be in the works. This has been discussed openly on the Rubin Report.

It must be noted that the far left Islamic part of America is down with the Jewish conspiracy narrative. Farakkan comparing the Jews to termites being the more recent example.

First off, 'Islamic' and 'far left' don't necessarily go together that well. Hard-line _Islamism_ is really a rather right-wing phenomenon, and conservative Muslims are, well, conservative. It's just fortunate for the rest of us that they so rarely find common cause with conservative Christians.


And there has always been a (minor) anti-Semitic strand in black American politics, Farrakhan in particular has been at it for decades, it's always been there in the NOI. Sad but not all disadvantaged groups are going to automatically find common cause, real life doesn't work like that and never has done. And I wouldn't exactly call the NOI 'far left'. Black Panthers, yeah, NOI, not so much.

Secondly, it's debatable whether the Nation of Islam is even Islamic as such. It never appeared to me to be exactly orthodox Islam (though its been a long time since I paid any attention to it).

Thirdly, I do find it confusing how some conservative Jewish people end up being only a few steps removed from Nazis. Netanyahu, for example, has been fairly positive about Trump, who in turn was close to Bannon and didn't exactly condemn the Charlottesville Nazis. Indeed Netanyahu has made speeches that sound quite fascistic in tone, going on about how only strength is respected and how the weak will perish. Israel seems to be suffering from the same turn to the populist right that is visible across most of the countries in the world. Only, obviously, there anti-Semitism is not going to be a significant feature of it.

But then the likes of Netanyahu only really care about what is in the interests of Israel, I'm not convinced he cares much about whether the far-right gains power elsewhere - after all that will just mean more Jews immigrating to Israel.

And most of those in your list are not of the real 'far right'. Yiannopolis was never of the full-on hard-core alt-right, and they never really trusted him. I don't think Sam Harris is either (it's only recently I realised he was right-wing at all, I thought he was just a Dawkins style single-issue atheist). But there are different types of 'right', depending on what issues they are most motivated by. The right have more potential hate-figures than just Jews.
 

Jhhnn

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You seem to be of the mistaken perception that extremists use logic and facts when framing their views.
They don't. They use emotion and confirmation bias. They're particularly driven by paranoia, that somehow they're the would-be victims of some grand nebulous conspiracy.
When of course, the only real conspiracy here is the very open one, where all of those names you listed (including Farakkan) are just making a living playing suckers.
Whatever sells. The insincerity is astounding.
 

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