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Texas Democrats ask non-citizens to vote.

imported_tajmahal

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No surprise to me, vote fraud is an ongoing issue in this country. Time to get serious about it and stop it.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/18/texas-democrats-ask-noncitizens-register-vote/

"The Texas Democratic Party asked non-citizens to register to vote, sending out applications to immigrants with the box citizenship already checked “Yes,” according to new complaints filed Thursday asking prosecutors to see what laws may have been broken.

The Public Interest Legal Foundation alerted district attorneys and the federal Justice Department to the pre-checked applications, and also included a signed affidavit from a man who said some of his relatives, who aren’t citizens, received the mailing.

“This is how the Texas Democratic Party is inviting foreign influence in an election in a federal election cycle,” said Logan Churchwell, spokesman for the PILF, a group that’s made its mark policing states’ voter registration practices."

The Texas secretary of state’s office said it, too, had gotten complaints both from immigrants and from relatives of dead people who said they got mailings asking them to register.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott vowed to investigate.

“If true there will be serious consequences,” he said.
The PILF publicly released complaints it sent to Hidalgo and Starr counties asking for an investigation. The organization also provided copies of pre-marked voter applications and the affidavit from the man who said his non-citizen relatives received the mailing.

The applications were pre-addressed to elections officials, which is likely what left many voters to believe they were receiving an official communication from the state.

But the return address was from the State Democratic Executive Committee, and listed an address in Austin that matches the state Democratic Party’s headquarters.

The letter is emblazoned with “Urgent! Your voter registration deadline is October 9.” It continues: “Your voter registration application is inside. Complete, sign and return it today!”

On the application, boxes affirming the applicant is both 18 and a U.S. citizen are already checked with an “X” in the Yes field.

The mailing also urges those who are unsure if they’re registered to “Mail it in.”

PILF has been pushing state election officials in recent years to be wary of non-citizens who manage to register and, in many cases, to actually cast ballots. The organization has found thousands of people who later admitted they weren’t citizens, but who managed to register or vote in New Jersey, Virginia, North Carolina and Pennsylvania

The organization is also embroiled in a legal battle with Harris County, Texas, which has declined to provide PILF with similar voter data.

PILF says usually the origin of non-citizens voting is motor vehicle bureaus, where people are pressed to register — and often ignore or miss the admonition that they must be citizens.

In this case, though, the invitations were sent directly by a political party.

The data from North Carolina suggests that non-citizens who vote skew decidedly Democratic, based on their pattern of voting in Democratic primaries.

The affidavit PILF provided to prosecutors Thursday is from David C. Kifuri Jr.

He said “several relatives” of his who are legal permanent residents but not citizens got the mailing, and were confused. He said in his affidavit he told them to report the mailing to local authorities and not to fill it out any further."
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/18/texas-democrats-ask-noncitizens-register-vote/


Related story.
https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX

"A complaint says the Texas Democratic Party asked noncitizens to register to vote, sending applications with citizenship box pre-checked. This is being investigated. If true there will be serious consequences. #txlege #tcot #"

And on the same topic.
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/election/article220105460.html

"State authorities now allege Sanchez, also known as Leticia Sanchez Pierce, was among four women being paid to target elderly voters in north Fort Worth in a scheme to harvest their ballots for specific 2016 candidates."
 
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GodisanAtheist

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Assuming the stories are factually on the level:

Voter registration is a messy process and you're going to get non-citizens submitting registration forms. That's to be expected, and it being Texas I would have to assume they have a system in place to conduct some basic verification that the registrant is a citizen.

To your second story: I don't think anyone disputes that mail in ballots pose a serious risk of vote fraud, but that the major issue with much of the anti-vote fraud solutions do nothing to limit the method of voting most likely to be abused: vote by mail. I could, somewhat easily, cast ballots for 3 people besides myself thanks to having access to their mail in ballots alone.
 

imported_tajmahal

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1. You can read them yourself.
2. No we don't, other than to trust they won't commit the fraud. You know, trust illegal immigrants not to do something illegal.
3. From the story they were paid to falsify votes and it happened with multiple numbers of people. In court right now.
 

GodisanAtheist

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1. I read both stories, which doesn't suddenly make them factual or true. I am skeptical of everything I see, hear and read, regardless of whether it's some weepy bleeding heart story on NPR or Neighbor Bob's Aryan Nation Weekly Flyer. Everyone is trying to sell you something, best recognize it and sift the truth out from the marketing BS.

2. Looks like signing the form under threat of purjury and possible deportation is all that's needed for a registration, so the Ballots these folks received could have landed them in serious hot water thanks to the boxes being pre-checked. Again: if the issue was widespread abd deliberate, bad shoot, Texas DNC.

3. Paid to falsify votes on mail in ballots, which is super easy to do en masse relative to in person voting. Hope they enjoy their stay in jail.
 

ch33zw1z

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If I was in a game to disrupt the democratic process this is exactly what I would be doing.
After the myriad of dishonest posts, imported_handgrenedier expects people to trust him, and the Washington times.

Maybe that failed voter fraud panel can jump in

https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-unknown&nfpr=1&q=trump+voter+fraud+panel&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiZ8qyAmZLeAhWKvVMKHT-kDqsQBQggKAA&biw=455&bih=782

I didnt read all the imbedded links, but will. So far, I haven't seen any statement from the alleged sender confirming they actually sent it. Innocent until proven guilty.
 
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umbrella39

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Ah, so once again this isn't in person voter fraud. Thanks OP. Like the vast majority of Heritage... Registering to vote illegally and then actually going through with in person voter fraud are two totally different things.

“It looks like a case of really bad information they are using to send out these mailers,” Mr. Taylor said.

He said some of the non-citizens who called wondered whether there had been some change that made them now legally able to vote despite not being citizens.

So their votes wouldn't count like ALL illegals in the US.... Go figure...

Typical hey look a squirrel while the GOP and their cock suckers are trying their best to disenfranchise millions of black LEGAL voters...
 
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dawp

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the OP would sell his ass if he thought it would prove voter fraud
 

Bitek

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Fake news. Obviously a gop plant.
Lying Taj is at it again. A total con job.
 

HomerJS

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Just a question. If you are sending out a mass mailer how do you know who is a citizen or non-citizen?

BTW - Arsenic in drinking water is more of an issue then voter fraud. Math proves that out because its neither left or right. The courts prove it too. Whenever these mass voter fraud cases are brought before judges their bullshit is sniffed out.

 

imported_tajmahal

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LOL Washington Times

So how many non-citizens have successfully registered and voted Taj?

LOL Taj
Did you also read the message from your Governor? How about the link to the active prosecution of vote fraud in Fort Worth? Your honesty in this post is the same as your lack of integrity with your science posts.
 

Vic

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The Rev Moon's rag The Washington Times is literally fake news.
 

Vic

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It's a non issue if you support it, which you obviously do.
No one supports it. It's a non-issue because it doesn't exist. Or did you forget already that Trump established a commission to investigate this very issue, and it disbanded after spending over a year investigating and finding nothing?
 
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ecogen

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It's a non issue if you support it, which you obviously do.
You should tell that to the G.W. Bush admin, their own study says it's a non issue. As do numerous other studies conducted by Republicans. Are you calling the GOP a bunch of lying hacks? Or are you calling them a bunch of incompetent hacks?
 
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You should tell that to the G.W. Bush admin, their own study says it's a non issue. As do numerous other studies conducted by Republicans. Are you calling the GOP a bunch of lying hacks? Or are you calling them a bunch of incompetent hacks?
why can't they be both?
And in all seriousness, tajjy is well versed in both incompetency and being a hack.
 

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