Texas abortion law: Judge bans state from enforcing regulations

[fskimospy]

Interesting. Yet people can be prosecuted for murder when an in vitro child is killed in an assault on a pregnant woman?

I've always found fetal homocide laws to be an interesting quirk in the law. People can be prosecuted for murder in some states for this, but the courts explicitly go out of their way to say that these laws cannot infringe in the constitutional right to abortion.

I mean we both know such laws are in large part intended to attack abortion, but such is life. It's still clear that the law does not consider the fetus a person in the same way as a full person in that if they did, you wouldn't have a right to abortion.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yeah, it's about 30 that ban abortion for any reason. Roughly 36 more allow abortion only to save the woman's life.

There are 195 countries in the world, 196 if you count Taiwan (which happens to allow abortion). Beside the already mentioned 66, 72 countries have varying degrees of regulation and 61 countries have no restrictions at all. Several of these, like Canada, do not have any laws regarding abortion at all.

http://reproductiverights.org/sites...iles/documents/AbortionMap_Factsheet_2013.pdf

So, your point (besides being wrong) was?

Facts are not relevant to the formulation of his opinions. They are only occasionally useful in defending positions established by entirely irrational means.

First Believe, then justify if possible. That last part is optional, because he'll continue to believe no matter what.

 

[Atreus21]

Yeah, it's about 30 that ban abortion for any reason. Roughly 36 more allow abortion only to save the woman's life.

There are 195 countries in the world, 196 if you count Taiwan (which happens to allow abortion). Beside the already mentioned 66, 72 countries have varying degrees of regulation and 61 countries have no restrictions at all. Several of these, like Canada, do not have any laws regarding abortion at all.

http://reproductiverights.org/sites...iles/documents/AbortionMap_Factsheet_2013.pdf

So, your point (besides being wrong) was?

We have among the most permissive abortion laws on earth. We are one of only seven nations that permit elective abortion beyond 20 weeks.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/u....op-4-most-permissive-nations-on-abortion-repo

 

[Atreus21]

I've always found fetal homocide laws to be an interesting quirk in the law. People can be prosecuted for murder in some states for this, but the courts explicitly go out of their way to say that these laws cannot infringe in the constitutional right to abortion.

I mean we both know such laws are in large part intended to attack abortion, but such is life. It's still clear that the law does not consider the fetus a person in the same way as a full person in that if they did, you wouldn't have a right to abortion.

I wasn't aware that the laws are intended to attack abortion.

But evidently, some people do value unborn children as comparable to born children. The law punishes a fetal homicide to the same extent it punishes an adult homicide.

 

[Texashiker]

Oh, please. That speaks to a woman's right to choose free of coercion not in the slightest.

It is sad people such as yourself blindly uphold crimes against humanity.

If slavery were legal, I bet you would be one of the first at the auction barn.

1940 Germany, I bet would have rushed to the local SS office to list every Jew you knew.

No shield of law can hide crimes against humanity.

 

[fskimospy]

I wasn't aware that the laws are intended to attack abortion.

But evidently, some people do value unborn children as comparable to born children. The law punishes a fetal homicide to the same extent it punishes an adult homicide.

Yet the mother is able to terminate that fetus for any reason or no reason under that same law. Unless there is a law that permits that for actual children I would say it's pretty obvious that they aren't viewed the same.

As an interesting note, look at the countries with the most restrictive abortion laws and then look at the more permissive law countries. There seems to be a pretty strong trend that the ones with more permissive laws are the more developed nations.

 

[fskimospy]

It is sad people such as yourself blindly uphold crimes against humanity.

If slavery were legal, I bet you would be one of the first at the auction barn.

1940 Germany, I bet would have rushed to the local SS office to list every Jew you knew.

No shield of law can hide crimes against humanity.

You realize that the Nazis were anti-abortion, right?

Seriously, you are so stupid.

 

[Victorian Gray]

We have among the most permissive abortion laws on earth. We are one of only seven nations that permit elective abortion beyond 20 weeks.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/u....op-4-most-permissive-nations-on-abortion-repo

And if you think that in *any* of those countries (including Canada where there is no law regarding abortion at all) it's easy to get an abortion after the point of fetal viability (roughly 27-28 weeks) of a healthy fetus, you're simply delusional. In the US, abortions after 20 weeks are about 1.5% of all abortions in the U.S.

 

[Texashiker]

You realize that the Nazis were anti-abortion, right?

Good.

Seriously, you are so stupid.

Stupid for taking the moral high ground?

 

[fskimospy]

Good.

Stupid for taking the moral high ground?

No, you're stupid for attempting to bring the Nazis into this, especially considering the fact that their position on abortion was a lot closer to yours than to mine.

There will always be people like me that are there to stand against your attempts to attack people's rights and subjugate them.

 

[Jhhnn]

It is sad people such as yourself blindly uphold crimes against humanity.

If slavery were legal, I bet you would be one of the first at the auction barn.

1940 Germany, I bet would have rushed to the local SS office to list every Jew you knew.

No shield of law can hide crimes against humanity.

That's desperate, and shameful, too.

I oppose your authoritarian will to rule women's lives, so you just call me a Slaver & a Nazi.

Meanwhile, you're trying to outlaw abortion so you can run to the authorities any time you get a whiff of one, force women to carry to term while in jail if necessary. Yeh, that.

Who's the authoritarian here? You are.

 

[Texashiker]

No, you're stupid for attempting to bring the Nazis into this, especially considering the fact that their position on abortion was a lot closer to yours than to mine.

Crimes against humanity knows no borders.

Meanwhile, you're trying to outlaw abortion so you can run to the authorities any time you get a whiff of one, force women to carry to term while in jail if necessary. Yeh, that.

And?

Authorities have no problem charging men with infanticide when he slips her the morning after pill.

 

[fskimospy]

Crimes against humanity knows no borders.

And?

Authorities have no problem charging men with infanticide when he slips her the morning after pill.

It's true. For years and years women were subject to horrifying conditions that left thousands maimed from failed or poorly performed abortions. I agree that this was a crime against humanity and it happened right in our own country for years.

Thank god we and other civilized nations have moved beyond that.

 

[Jhhnn]

And?

Authorities have no problem charging men with infanticide when he slips her the morning after pill.

So what, even if true? That's apples & aardvarks, all over again.

 

[Texashiker]

It's true. For years and years women were subject to horrifying conditions that left thousands maimed from failed or poorly performed abortions. I agree that this was a crime against humanity and it happened right in our own country for years.

Thank god we and other civilized nations have moved beyond that.

So what, even if true? That's apples & aardvarks, all over again.

Vilfredo Pareto

"equality is related to the direct interests of individuals who are bent on escaping certain inequalities not in their favor"

Women who want an abortion do not want equality for the unborn child, as such equality would put the mother at a disadvantage.

 

[nehalem256]

They are taking responsibility by having an abortion.

Easy to take responsibility when you define everything as taking responsibility!

As we have covered before, nobody considers an embryo to be the same as a baby.

Ah so a baby and an embryo are different things. A man shares responsibility for creating an embryo. But has absolutely no say in creating a baby.

I mean lets think about this.

You buy someone a gun for their bday. Nine months later they shoot someone. Are you equally responsible for the murder?

You give an artist some paint. Are you equally responsible for their masterpiece?

When there is a baby you have to take care of it. When it's an embryo you can have an abortion.

And men don't have babies.

Always equal responsibility.

In the same way that executing a rapist and rape victim for fornication is enforcing equal responsibility. To be clear its quite perverted.

 

[fskimospy]

Easy to take responsibility when you define everything as taking responsibility!


Ah so a baby and an embryo are different things. A man shares responsibility for creating an embryo. But has absolutely no say in creating a baby.

I mean lets think about this.

You buy someone a gun for their bday. Nine months later they shoot someone. Are you equally responsible for the murder?

You give an artist some paint. Are you equally responsible for their masterpiece?

And men don't have babies.

In the same way that executing a rapist and rape victim for fornication is enforcing equal responsibility. To be clear its quite perverted.

This has to set a new record for density of nonsensical statements. At this point I don't even care with you. You're just a subject of mockery.

I'll take as a consolation prize that you finally realized your logic supports gay marriage and be done with it.

 

[nehalem256]

No, you're stupid for attempting to bring the Nazis into this, especially considering the fact that their position on abortion was a lot closer to yours than to mine.

There will always be people like me that are there to stand against your attempts to attack people's rights and subjugate them.

In Nazi Germany, the penalties for abortion were increased again. In 1943, providing an abortion to an "Aryan" woman became a capital offense. Abortion was permitted if the foetus was deformed or disabled

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Germany

 

[fskimospy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Germany

Yes, exactly. Abortion for those that the Nazis considered people was punishable by the death penalty.

I'm glad we agree on this as well! I feel I may have been to harsh on you, friend nehalem. It appears that you might be capable of learning after all.

 

[Jhhnn]

Vilfredo Pareto

"equality is related to the direct interests of individuals who are bent on escaping certain inequalities not in their favor"

Women who want an abortion do not want equality for the unborn child, as such equality would put the mother at a disadvantage.

An unborn child, as you put it, has no right or standing to trump the rights of a woman in a secular society, which we have. The truth is that religious belief has interfered with that more than it ever should have, something you exemplify. Perhaps you'd prefer Rushdooney's biblical reconstructionism, Sharia Law or yearn for the time that the Pope reigned supreme.

How far are you willing to carry this, anyway? In vitro fertilization, for example, often creates extra zygotes which are either disposed of or preserved via cryogenics. Obviously, they won't be frozen forever. Do they have the same rights as a living breathing person? Is disposing of them murder?

 

[Jhhnn]

Easy to take responsibility when you define everything as taking responsibility!



Ah so a baby and an embryo are different things. A man shares responsibility for creating an embryo. But has absolutely no say in creating a baby.

I mean lets think about this.

You buy someone a gun for their bday. Nine months later they shoot someone. Are you equally responsible for the murder?

You give an artist some paint. Are you equally responsible for their masterpiece?



And men don't have babies.



In the same way that executing a rapist and rape victim for fornication is enforcing equal responsibility. To be clear its quite perverted.

I never imagined that a person could bend over backwards far enough to get their head up their ass, but I believe you've done it.

A man is not obligated to participate in sex, to initiate possibilities over which he has no control, at all. In doing so, he implies consent to his partner's decisions whatever they might be. He knowingly puts such choices in her hands.

He is, however, obligated to take care of his own children, both by custom and law, whether he wants to or not. He knew that, too, when he gave her the choices she might have to face. It's also a matter of integrity.

Or would you prefer to be a member of another species where males take no part in the care & rearing of the young? I mean, do obnoxious male trolls care for their young, or not?

 

[Victorian Gray]

I never imagined that a person could bend over backwards far enough to get their head up their ass, but I believe you've done it.

A man is not obligated to participate in sex, to initiate possibilities over which he has no control, at all. In doing so, he implies consent to his partner's decisions whatever they might be. He knowingly puts such choices in her hands.

He is, however, obligated to take care of his own children, both by custom and law, whether he wants to or not. He knew that, too, when he gave her the choices she might have to face. It's also a matter of integrity.

Or would you prefer to be a member of another species where males take no part in the care & rearing of the young? I mean, do obnoxious male trolls care for their young, or not?

We'll have to wait and see if he and his toaster have any offspring to find out.

 

[John Connor]

Yeah, it's about 30 that ban abortion for any reason. Roughly 36 more allow abortion only to save the woman's life.

There are 195 countries in the world, 196 if you count Taiwan (which happens to allow abortion). Beside the already mentioned 66, 72 countries have varying degrees of regulation and 61 countries have no restrictions at all. Several of these, like Canada, do not have any laws regarding abortion at all.

http://reproductiverights.org/sites...iles/documents/AbortionMap_Factsheet_2013.pdf

So, your point (besides being wrong) was?

My point is that folks like you will support abortion, but will say, "save the planet or save the wildlife." But screw a human life, cut 'em out and fuck it! I never said the whole world was against abortion I said a lot. You live in a largely secular socity and it's no wonder you idiots up there support abortion. Europe is another largely secular society and where are their brains? Up their ass is where.

We are, but falling as the best country in the world both economically and militarily. But the lawerers and screwed up court system is tearing this country apart. It will ultimatly be our demise. Once upon a time we had a little thing called values and common sense. Now that has gone out the window. I say common sense because abortion should only be reserved for those that are raped and acts of incest. Now the court here in the US of A is supposed to be blind, but it really isn't as they side with political leanings. Common sense would dictate that rape and incest would be approved for the destruction of a human life. But for some stupid ass teen that just decides, "naaa" I don't want it. Well too bad Missy! Your responsibility now. We have pills, creams, patches, and condoms, use them! I believe some 15 million baby's were aborted since Roe v. Wade. Our current population is around 315 million. We would have had 330 million people if it weren't for Roe v. Wade

For ignorant people to simply say "fuck Christians," are no better than the Westboro Baptist Church. Simply put they are filled with hate and disdain. This country was founded on a Christian belief system. The pledge of allegiance mentions God. Our currency mentions God. Many public places have religious art work. Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves with the secular society that is infecting our social classes. It is a plague of biblical proportions and the shit is going to hit the fan and when it does good luck getting through the narrow door way.

Luke 13:22

"Then Jesus went through the towns and villages, teaching as he made his way to Jerusalem. 23 Someone asked him, “Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?”He said to them, 24 “Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25 Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Sir, open the door for us.’
“But he will answer, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’
26 “Then you will say, ‘We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’
27 “But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!’
28 “There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out. 29 People will come from east and west and north and south, and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God. 30 Indeed there are those who are last who will be first, and first who will be last.”


The bible has brought me comfort in times of despair. Perhaps if more people read the damn thing the world would be better off. But here in the twenty first century the world has took a turn for the worst.

Perhaps the words from the book A Tale Of Two Cities best describes the social order that we are in. "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way – in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only."

May God have mercy on their sins.

 

[John Connor]

It is sad people such as yourself blindly uphold crimes against humanity.

If slavery were legal, I bet you would be one of the first at the auction barn.

The Democrats did believe in slavery...

 

[John Connor]

What is really a tale of two faces is that the Liberal will shout, "make peace not war! End the bombing of innocent children!" Yet from the other side of their mouth, "a woman has a right to chose!" Epic face palm doesn't even represent the utter insanity that is the Liberal mind.