Temperature: Whose card runs cooler, NVIDIA or ATI?

[badb0y]

5850 is faster than the GTX 460 and the HD 6850

EDIT: And the 5850 has a Twin Frozr jump on that one lol.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Is this better than the 5850? I don't know the convention, cuz bigger number doesn't always mean better. 159.95 for 6850

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...&SID=u00000687

Anyways I like the idea of external exhaust.

The 5850 is faster than the 6850 and GTX460 and that one has a rear exhaust too. I don't think that 6850 you linked is external exhaust..

 

[calvin0416]

The 5850 is faster than the 6850 and GTX460 and that one has a rear exhaust too. I don't think that 6850 you linked is external exhaust..

Funny thing about the MSI card. I read 2 articles about it and it seems that MSI's card actually ran hotter than the reference card. The fans are smaller than a regular one and since it has no shroud the heat dissipates all over and not to the back. It does say that the smaller fan is very quiet tho.

http://www.overclock.net/ati/702833-msi-hd5850-twin-frozr-review-comparision.html


It's so weird that a 6850 is worse than 5850, isn't it the next generation?

 

[happy medium]

The 5850 is faster than the 6850 and GTX460 and that one has a rear exhaust too. I don't think that 6850 you linked is external exhaust..

It does not.5850 twin frozer II's are not rear exaust,
are you serious. You should be banned for that.D:

Calvin do not listen to this guy.

 

[badb0y]

Funny thing about the MSI card. I read 2 articles about it and it seems that MSI's card actually ran hotter than the reference card. The fans are smaller than a regular one and since it has no shroud the heat dissipates all over and not to the back. It does say that the smaller fan is very quiet tho.

http://www.overclock.net/ati/702833-msi-hd5850-twin-frozr-review-comparision.html


It's so weird that a 6850 is worse than 5850, isn't it the next generation?

The naming scheme has changed.

Anyways, the Twin Frozr II is not an external exhaust but never the less it is one of the top coolers right now.

The reference design on the 68xx is external exhaust (90% sure) and the reference design on the 58xx is external exhaust.

 

[GaiaHunter]

It does not.5850 twin frozer II's are not rear exaust,
are you serious. You should be banned for that.D:

Calvin do not listen to this guy.

Thought it was. The angle of the image I saw deceived me. My bad.

Not that it makes any difference. The XFX models are the same price after the $15 gift card and those are shrouded.

Not sure about the powercolor version.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...PA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=5850&x=0&y=0

 

[Skurge]

Thought it was. The angle of the image I saw deceived me. My bad.

Not that it makes any difference. The XFX models are the same price after the $15 gift card and those are shrouded.

Not sure about the powercolor version.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...n=5850&x=0&y=0

OP should just get the twin Frozr and buy some extra case fans with the money.

 

[spittledip]

It is a shame you already bought that GTX460 because those 5850 are way better

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-500-_-Product for $169 after rebate.

Come on newegg - start shipping to Europe.

Yeah the 5850 is definitely the better card for this scenario. Just a bit warmer, but significantly cheaper (with partial rear exhaust) and also faster in most titles. Oh well. For the same price you could have gotten an XFX model with complete rear exhaust- so a better card for the same price.

 

[spittledip]

Hmm..

[Hot] In stock XFX Radeon HD 5850 + $15 Newegg Promo Card $159 after $30 rebate

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2133025

Some advice OP: In the video forum you have to figure out who your real friends are.

 

[Skurge]

Hmm..



http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2133025

Some advice OP: In the video forum you have to figure out who your real friends are.

Good advice. It's a sad truth though.

 

[jiffylube1024]

The OP should have told us what the cooling is like in his case, because as long as he has decent airflow, a bone stock GTX 460 would have been a great recommendation.

I just upgraded from a GTX 460 768MB to a 6870. The GTX 460 was dead silet at all times it was the coolest and quietest high end card I ever had (snobs might call it 'middle high end' these days but whatever). The stock GTX 460's are all great for noise, power consumption and especially card temperatures (and if you're not gaming 20 hours a day, the heat impact should be fairly minimal in a decently ventilated case and a room that's not an 8' by 8' box.

The problem with recommending overclocked GTX 460's (or buying a stock one and overclocking for better performance, while still expecting good thermals) is that once you get those cores up to 750+ MHz, the power consumption goes through the roof.

The GTX 460 is a fantastic card though - one of my favourites ever - it's so much smaller (8.25") than every other card in its class, and by far the quietest. My 6870 is dead silent at idle but has an audible "hairdryer" sound at load gaming. It's not bad, nothing like the sound of an X800 XT or X1800/X1900 was when gaming, but definitely noticeable going from a GTX 460.

Anand's charts do a good job of pointing this out - the 6870 is something like 5db louder than the 6850 at load, which is a big jump.

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The 460 uses less power at idle (even overclocked) than a 6850. It even runs a lot cooler.
http://techreport.com/articles.x/20126/15

Which unless you are gaming 24/7 the idle power will be more significant. Even under load the standard (not overclocked 460) was only 5 watts above the 6850.

Sorry to burst your FUD bubble.

How about some analysis of those cherry-picked numbers. Anand has all of those cards at a virtual tie, within 2W of idle power consumption (GTX 460, 6850, 6870; heck the 5850 and 5870 are only 1W and 2W higher than that), so you go hunt for a different review that has a GTX 460 in the lead.

So, you're chirping about 7W less idle power consumption? It's nice that the GTX is lower in that chart, but 7W is not something to completely change your plans for, especially when it goes the other way under load.

 

[Castiel]

Hmm..



http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2133025

Some advice OP: In the video forum you have to figure out who your real friends are.

Nice price but no voltage control so utter waste of money

 

[evolucion8]

It does not.5850 twin frozer II's are not rear exaust,
are you serious. You should be banned for that.D:

Calvin do not listen to this guy.

Damn, why the rude attitude? It would means that you should be banned again due to the multiple PRO nVidia threads that you created and the continous assault and derailing of AMD threads. There's no reason to ban a guy who made a small mistake, he isn't like he is trolling or cussing around.

 

[Leyawiin]

"Cooler running" and TDP are two different things. I know my GTX 460 1GB has a higher TDP than an HD 6870, but when comparing reference HSF and measuring GPU temps it runs cooler.

 

[spittledip]

Nice price but no voltage control so utter waste of money

Something tells me the OP is not concerned about voltage control. I don't think he is worried about OCing it if he is worried about temps.

 

[flexcore]

@evolucion8 No doubt! I had hopes that certain member would get their act together and others would clean up also. VC&G forum has taken a bad turn. Wish all posts and quotes from certain members could be ignored.

 

[MangoX]

I agree. I rarely come here anymore thanks to a few posters. Tis' a shame. Ignore doesn't work when you guys keep quoting the fans.

 

[happy medium]

made a small mistake

Have you ever seen a card with 2 fans exaust air out the back? How do you miss a dual fan card from a single fan card? You would have to be blind.

 

[happy medium]

I know my GTX 460 1GB has a higher TDP than an HD 6870,

You do? please share about which brand mutimeter you use and how you tested.

 

[evolucion8]

You do? please share about which brand mutimeter you use and how you tested.

Are you gonna keep being such a rude poster? Don't try to cover the fact that the GTX 460 indeed has higher power consumption and TDP compared to an HD 6870. Why don't you look at reviews and see for yourself and stop doing tantrums here.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Power draw at the wall is meaningless unless you have the same configuration as the reviewer. You should also be careful about making cross-site comparisons when the two sites use very different hardware - particularly the CPU and power supply.

The techpowerup numbers are more meaningful for the purposes of this little pissing match as they measure power consumption by the card.

We're not really comparing numbers across sites. What we're doing is comparing the 6850 to the 460 at each site, and most sites put the 6850 below the 460 and effectively tie at idle. You find the trend across the sites; that's the only comparison being done. And it's not really a comparison. We're just looking at the ranking, and comparing the ranking of the cards across sites. And you will find the ranking is pretty consistent, with some outliers here and there.

Comparing at the wall power numbers from one site to another site is indeed meaningless. Really comparing any power numbers from one site to another is not consistent because everyone uses a different testing methodology, along with different hardware.

 

[happy medium]

Are you gonna keep being such a rude poster? Don't try to cover the fact that the GTX 460 indeed has higher power consumption and TDP compared to an HD 6870. Why don't you look at reviews and see for yourself and stop doing tantrums here.

Here I'll back it up.

How they test.... and they do it right!

"For this test we measure power consumption of only the graphics card, via PCI-Express power connector(s) and PCI-Express bus slot. A Keithley Integra 2700 with 6.5 digits is used for all measurements. Again, the values here reflect card only power consumption measured at DC VGA card inputs, not the whole system."

And there results....

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_6870/27.html

 

[evolucion8]

Here I'll back it up.

How they test.... and they do it right!

"For this test we measure power consumption of only the graphics card, via PCI-Express power connector(s) and PCI-Express bus slot. A Keithley Integra 2700 with 6.5 digits is used for all measurements. Again, the values here reflect card only power consumption measured at DC VGA card inputs, not the whole system."

And there results....

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_6870/27.html

Kinda the opposite here:

"Compared to the 6800 series NVIDIA does notably worse here, with all of the GTX 460 cards pulling down more power than the 6870 and the GTX 470 being in a league of its own. While NVIDIA was competitive with Cypress on power, they’re not in a position to match Barts. They can deliver Barts-like performance (and then some), but they have to consume more power to do it."

And yet, better performance.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Have you ever seen a card with 2 fans exaust air out the back? How do you miss a dual fan card from a single fan card? You would have to be blind.

They partially exhaust.

Likewise even rear exhaust cards drop some air inside the case.

I just saw the grid on the back and it seemed the cooler was covered all the way.

And is there any physical rule that forbids a dual fan cooler to be shrouded?

And can you tell me who posted this image?

Seems like a shrouded card with 3 fans!

 

[calvin0416]

They partially exhaust.

Likewise even rear exhaust cards drop some air inside the case.

I just saw the grid on the back and it seemed the cooler was covered all the way.

And is there any physical rule that forbids a dual fan cooler to be shrouded?

And can you tell me who posted this image?

Seems like a shrouded card with 3 fans!

I don't think that's shrouded either, but look at this. The guy uses cereal box to make heat go to the back. It does reduce temperature by a little.