Looking on HP's website I couldn't find any PF6610 model. I did find this : http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/d...roduct=4299342 if this is the computer? You will need a more powerful PSU to power either the 460 or 6850 graphics card. According to HP, that computer comes with a 250W PSU.
Looking on HP's website I couldn't find any PF6610 model. I did find this : http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/d...roduct=4299342 if this is the computer? You will need a more powerful PSU to power either the 460 or 6850 graphics card. According to HP, that computer comes with a 250W PSU.
evolucion8
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This is going a bit off topic since unless your case is really cramped and/or filled with dust, your room temperature is high, your card is defective, etc, none of these cards will die due to high temperature.
But lets look why heat generated may be important.
Even if a cooling system is able to dissipate the heat and drop outside your case, the room will increase temperature due to that heat. That will make harder to cool the rest of your system (unless of course the cooling of your room is really good or your room is cold anyway) - there is a reason why in summer some people have to reduce their OCs even when they are perfectly stable during winter.
Lets take the example of 2 cards with a reputation for being hot - the 4850 and the GTX480.
Both of these cards with their reference coolers could run into high temperatures.
The 4850 was a card that dropped the heat inside the case and the GTX480 was a card that exhausted the heat outside the case.
So which case/room will run cooler?
Obviously the 4850 since it generates much less heat since its power consumption is much smaller.
1 advantage of the open coolers vs exhaust ones is that they aren't as noisy. The fact the high-end cards use exhaust coolers is due to the fact they generate too much heat to just dump it inside your case.
In the case of the OP, his X1600 probably has some problem or there is too much dust.
And make sure you have a strong enough PSU. Those pre-built systems tend to have wimp PSU.
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Yeah, thats what I found too. You will need a more powerful PSU if you want to power anything more than a 5670.
A bit late to the party as the OP has made his choice, but for future consideration: either a 6850 or 460 are good options if heat is a concern, and with a quality cooler both temperature and noise can be kept in check. Quibbling over which is *better* isn't worth anyone's time, IMO.
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WRONG
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2126448
6850 is just in another league than the 460 in regards to power.
Happy you need to admit you are wrong. It's funny to see you call everyone else in this thread wrong, when you clearly are.
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The 460 uses less power at idle (even overclocked) than a 6850. It even runs a lot cooler.
http://techreport.com/articles.x/20126/15
Which unless you are gaming 24/7 the idle power will be more significant. Even under load the standard (not overclocked 460) was only 5 watts above the 6850.
Sorry to burst your FUD bubble.
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Thats right,
In fact that was why I chose to put my gtx480 in my old 350W PSU system. At idle, which is the far large amount of usage, the PSU provides plenty of power.
So we are all aware.. the over clock has NOTHING to do with idle power as idle power is determined by the reduced clocks, regardless of the max for gaming you set them too.
That sarcasm aside.. the 460 is not by any means an overly power hungry card. It is an excellent choice in its price range.
this is not too meaningful since some manufacture uses custom coolers, Asus TOP Cu, MSI Cyclone, HIS IceCube etc. so hard to compare unless your are using the same cooler. On top of that some card come pre-overclocked, making comparison almost apples vs oranges.
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The GTX 460 EE is probably the worst card to get in this situation; a recommendation for it is shameful. Not only does it consume more power than other options in its class, it's also the slowest card AND the loudest. Sorry OP, you got duped, but it's not your fault. Remember that temperature is largely irrelevant as it's just a manifestation of power consumption, and that's the number you should get your attention.
The HD 6850 would have been the best choice here - not only is it faster than a GTX 460 1GB, it's also much more power efficient. I've been using ASUS 6850's in builds and they're fantastic cards which I highly recommend (the coolers on them are awesome).
It's a real shame people come to this forum and expect actual, helpful advice. I think the forum should get a rep system to aid newcomers in gleaning through a lot of the FUD posted here.
The HD 6850 would have been the best choice here - not only is it faster than a GTX 460 1GB, it's also much more power efficient. I've been using ASUS 6850's in builds and they're fantastic cards which I highly recommend (the coolers on them are awesome).
It's a real shame people come to this forum and expect actual, helpful advice. I think the forum should get a rep system to aid newcomers in gleaning through a lot of the FUD posted here.
Also what is all the hype with the EE edition? Aren't most cards nowadays external exhausts anyways?
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I wonder why your obsession with Techreport which is known to be nVidia biased, Anandtech reviews are far less biased and more trustable, and let alone Alienbabeltech.
Still, in overall, the HD 6850 still better in terms of power efficiency and, and as fast or slightly faster in heavy GPU bound games like Crysis.
Metro 2033
Battlefield Bad Company
So in the end, the HD 6850 is a perfect match for the GTX 460 which is trailing behind in newer games plus less power consumption and TDP.
Yeah, that's the one I bought. I know about the 250W PSU, came here and someone recommended me a 650/700W Antec PSU which should be arriving today
I did a bit of googling of my own and the 460 seems to be the cheapest with the highest performance at the moment. Most egghead review said that it ran much cooler vs. the 470/480 version. I guess time will tell.
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Is there an actual reference 6850?
They all seem to be same price around here (Portugal) regardless of cooler.
The store I bought have the sapphire and xfx with the shroud cooler, the gigabyte with the windforce, the asus directCU and the msi one that seems quite similar to the asus.
To be fair I'm not sure there is a reference GTX460 any more, although there was some before.
I tried in Post #5, but the usual suspects preferred to take pot shots at each others love interest.
The specs indicate this is a micro-ATX based system, so the OP may want to check how much space there is before plumping for a new video card. The pictures I found indicate the motherboard is on the right-hand side of the case (looking from the rear), so there's a possibility a drive bay could limit the amount of room available.
[edit] the newegg picture indicates the SATA cables from the hard drive may foul a longer card.
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It is a shame you already bought that GTX460 because those 5850 are way better
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-500-_-Product for $169 after rebate.
Come on newegg - start shipping to Europe.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-500-_-Product for $169 after rebate.
Come on newegg - start shipping to Europe.
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Even by those numbers, it's a 9W advantage for the 460 at idle and a 45W advantage for the 6850 at load. For every 1 hour of gaming you would need to have the 460 system idle for 5 hours to make up the difference. For every 2 hours the 460 would need to idle for 10 hours. For every 3 hours of gaming the 460 would need to idle for 15 hours.
If a gamer uses standby or shuts off the computer, the load power draw is more significant for the gamer using the numbers you provided, which don't line up with most sites anyway.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...-nvidia-geforce-gtx-460-se-1gb-review-15.html
http://techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_6970/27.html
And anandtech.
So yeah, I'm laughing at you trying to burst a FUD bubble with your own FUD.
Power draw at the wall is meaningless unless you have the same configuration as the reviewer. You should also be careful about making cross-site comparisons when the two sites use very different hardware - particularly the CPU and power supply.
The techpowerup numbers are more meaningful for the purposes of this little pissing match as they measure power consumption by the card.
happy medium
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Did you ever try to argue with your wife or girlfriend.
It's useless, they are allways right. or they wil find a way to be right Take my advice.
edit: now imagine argueing with your wife or girlfriend with there girlfriends in the room cheering her on. I think you get the picture.
Good post buddy.
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Did you ever try to argue with your wife or girlfriend.
It's useless, they are allways right. or they wil find a way to be right Take my advice.
To be fair, the techpowerup numbers do show the 460 1GB @ idle consuming the same amount of power as the 6850 @ idle.
In the OP's case, the video card faces upwards. Therefore any warm air from the card should get sucked up by the PSU fan and dumped out. I suspect the crappy OEM PSU may not do this effectively.
happy medium
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He said he bought a new 600/700 watt Antec psu.
I agree about the Techpowerup numbers also.
Funny I was thinking the same thing.Did you ever try to argue with your wife or girlfriend.
It's useless, they are allways right. or they wil find a way to be right Take my advice.
edit: now imagine argueing with your wife or girlfriend with there girlfriends in the room cheering her on. I think you get the picture.
Good post buddy.
It is a shame you already bought that GTX460 because those 5850 are way better
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-500-_-Product for $169 after rebate.
Come on newegg - start shipping to Europe.
Is this better than the 5850? I don't know the convention, cuz bigger number doesn't always mean better. 159.95 for 6850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...&SID=u00000687
Anyways I like the idea of external exhaust.
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