Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

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Geosurface

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Oh shit. Stormfront is leaking again.

At racist sites like Stormfront, don't they think poorly of all black people, regardless of where they're from? That was my understanding of what racism meant, when people view an entire race as superior or inferior, no exceptions, and don't look at anyone as an individual case to determine their worth as a person.

Yet, this noobsrevenge person said black people from the north he's encountered were "more white" than him (I can only assume he probably meant well behaved, law-abiding, well-spoken, etc) so... it doesn't really sound to me like he's racist against blacks, but rather that he doesn't care for a certain CULTURE prevalent among blacks in a certain AREA.

And based on how he described the behaviors associated with that culture... I can't see how someone wouldn't find it distasteful.

That seems like an important distinction. No?

I think some people's brains are just conditioned like Pavlov's dogs, if they see a white person saying anything about a black person or group of black people, boom it's racist. End of story.
 
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umbrella39

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I bet most of these keyboard warriors that are standing up for these thugs don't live in the south.

I've traveled to the north, the black people up there are more white than I am. The black people in the south however, are a different breed.

So if you are from the north and yet you are vehemently defending these thugs blaring loud music, talking shit to people who ask them to turn it down, then you clearly do not know how much they act like animals.

This is just like the Treyvon martin BS all over again, such a hoopla over innocent kid bla bla blah and then it turns out he jumped george zimmerman for following him, had george zimmerman on the ground and was beating him. But yet, before that fact came out you all would have defended him too and called him an innocent kid.

Same scenario here most likely. So unless you live in the south and deal with these thugs everyday you do not have an informed opinion. Acting like thugs, dressing like thugs, talking shit like thugs, you should get treated and shot like a thug. Kthx

Congrats, zero to plonk in under 5 seconds. Zzzz
 

They Live

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At racist sites like Stormfront, don't they think poorly of all black people, regardless of where they're from? That was my understanding of what racism meant, when people view an entire race as superior or inferior, no exceptions, and don't look at anyone as an individual case to determine their worth as a person.

Yet, this noobsrevenge person said black people from the north he's encountered were "more white" than him (I can only assume he probably meant well behaved, law-abiding, well-spoken, etc) so... it doesn't really sound to me like he's racist against blacks, but rather that he doesn't care for a certain CULTURE prevalent among blacks in a certain AREA.

And based on how he described the behaviors associated with that culture... I can't see how someone wouldn't find it distasteful.

That seems like an important distinction. No?

I think some people's brains are just conditioned like Pavlov's dogs, if they see a white person saying anything about a black person or group of black people, boom it's racist. End of story.

If someone posted something like "the majority of whites from the south are redneck's who sleep with their sisters", that would be equally as racist, and I would call him out on it.

He made an assertion that the majority of the blacks from the south are thuggish. Either he can back it up with facts, or nobody will take him seriously.
 

Pens1566

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Wait a second, you said the kids in the SUV were criminals because of their "aggravated assault" with an imaginary weapon against the thug? Why aren't they innocent until proven guilty?

This is a rhetorical question, right?

Why because he claims he saw a gun? I believe the law requires, oh, I dunno, proof? By your fucked up logic, I can shoot and kill you so long as I believe you had a gun, even if there wasn't one. Amirite?

By spidey's logic, over half the forum could legally shoot and kill him if they encountered him in real life.
 

SheHateMe

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At racist sites like Stormfront, don't they think poorly of all black people, regardless of where they're from?

Its a mixed bag over there. However, you will find that for the most part, those that whine about blacks the most are the ones with the more popular threads.

I had a brief obsession (okay...it was like a year ;) ) with stormfront and found some of their members to be thoughtful and not racist in the slightest (just proud of their ethnicity)...but in general, nobody over there gives a shit about what these people think.

My favorite thread was "A chance to be white" which was a thread dedicated to talking shit about non-whites who played classical music on instruments.

Obviously I took interest in that thread because I was a young black girl (think I was 16) who was so in love with classical piano...I chuckled at the fact that I never considered it a "chance" to be white.
 
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HumblePie

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This thread delivers. Delivers lulz. Lulz of great magnitude.

Not sure how it delivers lulz to you. Are you laughing at the potential an innocent kid who pissed off the wrong guy with a temper problem and a gun got himself killed? Or are you laughing at the potential that a bunch of kids may have threatened a man for asking them to turn down their blarring music and then are trying to cover up their actions that resulted in forcing the man to defend himself that got one of their own killed?

Either outcome is not something to be laughing about.
 

surfsatwerk

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Not sure how it delivers lulz to you. Are you laughing at the potential an innocent kid who pissed off the wrong guy with a temper problem and a gun got himself killed? Or are you laughing at the potential that a bunch of kids may have threatened a man for asking them to turn down their blarring music and then are trying to cover up their actions that resulted in forcing the man to defend himself that got one of their own killed?

Either outcome is not something to be laughing about.

I respect that you can form rational opinions from the facts as they now present themselves. The racial meltdown of other posters and their lashing out is quite comical.
 

Pens1566

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Not sure how it delivers lulz to you. Are you laughing at the potential an innocent kid who pissed off the wrong guy with a temper problem and a gun got himself killed? Or are you laughing at the potential that a bunch of kids may have threatened a man for asking them to turn down their blarring music and then are trying to cover up their actions that resulted in forcing the man to defend himself that got one of their own killed?

Either outcome is not something to be laughing about.

He said the thread, not the situation being discussed in the thread. His point was painfully obvious.
 

mugs

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This is a rhetorical question, right?

Yes in the sense that it served the purpose of pointing out spidey's hypocrisy, so it didn't really need a response. No in the sense that I'd love to hear how spidey tries to explain away his hypocrisy.

Wish the admins can tell us who's alt that is.

Click the report button on one of his posts, explain why you're suspicious, and then they probably won't do anything about it.
 

spidey07

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Aug 4, 2000
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No, I don't. But here it is:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ng=&URL=0700-0799/0784/Sections/0784.021.html



I assumed you were referring to the imaginary gun when you called it aggravated assault. Unless you meant they intended to commit a felony? Is it a felony to use mean words in Florida?

And again, how can you say their "aggravated assault" makes them criminals in one breath and in the next say that Dunn is innocent until proven guilty? Why aren't the victims innocent until proven guilty?

Honestly - you're trolling here, right?

I was talking about regular assault.
 

BUTCH1

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You are correct.

Provided there was disparity of force and/or verbal threats.

The laws say you must prove guilt. Not prove innocence.

Shooter should NOT have fled the scene if in fact it was self-defense, you've just fired your gun into a packed SUV, killed one of the passengers and you flee?. You are legally obliged to stay at the scene and call the police so an investigation can be started, if you claim you were still in danger move to a nearby area then call police, he did neither, he hauled ass from the scene and did NOT notify ANY LEO agency of what had just happened, kinda telling isn't it?..
 

spidey07

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He's not obligated to stay and put himself in more danger.

Nobody is saying he wasn't a dumbass for leaving after the thugs threatened him with a shotgun. They could have fired on him.
 

HumblePie

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Shooter should NOT have fled the scene if in fact it was self-defense, you've just fired your gun into a packed SUV, killed one of the passengers and you flee?. You are legally obliged to stay at the scene and call the police so an investigation can be started, if you claim you were still in danger move to a nearby area then call police, he did neither, he hauled ass from the scene and did NOT notify ANY LEO agency of what had just happened, kinda telling isn't it?..

Wow the DISINFORMATION of this post...

No, you are NOT legally obliged to stay at the scene and call the police. You are wrong there that that statement.

He can flee to safety and the law does not put limits on what a person may consider to be a safe place. He felt safe at home, and you are going to be hard pressed to argue that a person can not drive home to feel reasonably safe before contacting law enforcement.

Speaking of which, it was the GF that told him not to call. As soon as he got home though he should have called, but I can see someone wrestling over being scared of the law at that point and hesitation about not calling. Not calling at that point is not an indication of guilt to a murder. Nor can it be presented as such in a court.

Even if it was self defense, he made some really bone headed mistakes and that we can all agree upon. Those mistakes were as follows:

1) He continued to fire even as the Durango was fleeing.
2) He did not call law enforcement once he learned that one of the kids he shot out had died from the news the next morning at the hotel.

Assuming it was self defense, number 1 is what is going to potentially land him in hot water. Especially if the prosecution can find actual hard evidence of a temper problem with him. Number 2 would be icing on the cake for number 1, but on its own is not enough of a reason to support evidence of murder.

Prosecution is going to do the following for the case to prove murder.

1) Dunn had a temper problem. There was a witness in the reports that called in with all sorts of claims of known temper and anger problems Dunn has had in the past. The prosecution is going to be looking for actual evidence of those claims.

2) With actual evidence of anger issues by Dunn and reckless behavior responses from his anger problems, they will present a picture of Dunn shooting not just to defend himself, but shooting to make sure he hurt someone as the Durango was fleeing.

3) With number 1 and number 2 established, then the prosecution is going to show that his refusal to contact LEO immediately was a sign of guilty conscience of his actions. And that the shotgun was a red herring later conjured up. Since he knew the kids were driving away, he was stating there was a shotgun and that they dumped it as a cover.

That is how it is going to be played out. The prosecution is going to have to be very specific in how it presents the evidence. Personally speaking, if they find actual evidence of his anger problems and reckless responses then he's screwed. As a juror I'd convict him on that.

However, if it IS self defense, and Dunn really did see a shotgun, all it takes is his defense attorney acquiring the phone records of the kids from the Durango during and shortly after the shooting. Then checking to see if any made calls to friends. Then finding out the wereabouts of those friends during and immediately after the shooting. If the defense can show that there is reasonably credibility to the shotgun claim, then that casts massive reasonable doubt to any murder charge.
 

HomerJS

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Wow the DISINFORMATION of this post...

No, you are NOT legally obliged to stay at the scene and call the police. You are wrong there that that statement.

He can flee to safety and the law does not put limits on what a person may consider to be a safe place. He felt safe at home, and you are going to be hard pressed to argue that a person can not drive home to feel reasonably safe before contacting law enforcement.

Speaking of which, it was the GF that told him not to call. As soon as he got home though he should have called, but I can see someone wrestling over being scared of the law at that point and hesitation about not calling. Not calling at that point is not an indication of guilt to a murder. Nor can it be presented as such in a court.

Even if it was self defense, he made some really bone headed mistakes and that we can all agree upon. Those mistakes were as follows:

1) He continued to fire even as the Durango was fleeing.
2) He did not call law enforcement once he learned that one of the kids he shot out had died from the news the next morning at the hotel.

Assuming it was self defense, number 1 is what is going to potentially land him in hot water. Especially if the prosecution can find actual hard evidence of a temper problem with him. Number 2 would be icing on the cake for number 1, but on its own is not enough of a reason to support evidence of murder.

Prosecution is going to do the following for the case to prove murder.

1) Dunn had a temper problem. There was a witness in the reports that called in with all sorts of claims of known temper and anger problems Dunn has had in the past. The prosecution is going to be looking for actual evidence of those claims.

2) With actual evidence of anger issues by Dunn and reckless behavior responses from his anger problems, they will present a picture of Dunn shooting not just to defend himself, but shooting to make sure he hurt someone as the Durango was fleeing.

3) With number 1 and number 2 established, then the prosecution is going to show that his refusal to contact LEO immediately was a sign of guilty conscience of his actions. And that the shotgun was a red herring later conjured up. Since he knew the kids were driving away, he was stating there was a shotgun and that they dumped it as a cover.

That is how it is going to be played out. The prosecution is going to have to be very specific in how it presents the evidence. Personally speaking, if they find actual evidence of his anger problems and reckless responses then he's screwed. As a juror I'd convict him on that.

However, if it IS self defense, and Dunn really did see a shotgun, all it takes is his defense attorney acquiring the phone records of the kids from the Durango during and shortly after the shooting. Then checking to see if any made calls to friends. Then finding out the wereabouts of those friends during and immediately after the shooting. If the defense can show that there is reasonably credibility to the shotgun claim, then that casts massive reasonable doubt to any murder charge.

Dunn can claim he saw the fucking tooth fairy in that car.

Since he only going to be in the parking lot for a few minutes why was it necessary for him to walk up to the car armed and confront?
 

Capt Caveman

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Wow the DISINFORMATION of this post...

No, you are NOT legally obliged to stay at the scene and call the police. You are wrong there that that statement.

He can flee to safety and the law does not put limits on what a person may consider to be a safe place. He felt safe at home, and you are going to be hard pressed to argue that a person can not drive home to feel reasonably safe before contacting law enforcement.

Speaking of which, it was the GF that told him not to call. As soon as he got home though he should have called, but I can see someone wrestling over being scared of the law at that point and hesitation about not calling. Not calling at that point is not an indication of guilt to a murder. Nor can it be presented as such in a court.

Even if it was self defense, he made some really bone headed mistakes and that we can all agree upon. Those mistakes were as follows:

1) He continued to fire even as the Durango was fleeing.
2) He did not call law enforcement once he learned that one of the kids he shot out had died from the news the next morning at the hotel.

Assuming it was self defense, number 1 is what is going to potentially land him in hot water. Especially if the prosecution can find actual hard evidence of a temper problem with him. Number 2 would be icing on the cake for number 1, but on its own is not enough of a reason to support evidence of murder.

Prosecution is going to do the following for the case to prove murder.

1) Dunn had a temper problem. There was a witness in the reports that called in with all sorts of claims of known temper and anger problems Dunn has had in the past. The prosecution is going to be looking for actual evidence of those claims.

2) With actual evidence of anger issues by Dunn and reckless behavior responses from his anger problems, they will present a picture of Dunn shooting not just to defend himself, but shooting to make sure he hurt someone as the Durango was fleeing.

3) With number 1 and number 2 established, then the prosecution is going to show that his refusal to contact LEO immediately was a sign of guilty conscience of his actions. And that the shotgun was a red herring later conjured up. Since he knew the kids were driving away, he was stating there was a shotgun and that they dumped it as a cover.

That is how it is going to be played out. The prosecution is going to have to be very specific in how it presents the evidence. Personally speaking, if they find actual evidence of his anger problems and reckless responses then he's screwed. As a juror I'd convict him on that.

However, if it IS self defense, and Dunn really did see a shotgun, all it takes is his defense attorney acquiring the phone records of the kids from the Durango during and shortly after the shooting. Then checking to see if any made calls to friends. Then finding out the wereabouts of those friends during and immediately after the shooting. If the defense can show that there is reasonably credibility to the shotgun claim, then that casts massive reasonable doubt to any murder charge.

:biggrin: Stop posting
 

HumblePie

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Dunn can claim he saw the fucking tooth fairy in that car.

Since he only going to be in the parking lot for a few minutes why was it necessary for him to walk up to the car armed and confront?

He didn't walk up to a car and confront anyone. He pulled into the only empty parking space at that gas station next to the Durango. He was parked to the RIGHT of the Durango on the passenger side. He made a comment to his GF about how he hated thug music, but the GF said that was not the first time he had ever made such comments. All parties agree on what happened next. Dunn rolled down his window and asked if they could turn down the music. From all accounts it was asked very politely. Initially, the boy in the front passenger seat complied and turned down the music. Jordan Davis from the back seat, who also had his window down, said, "No fuck that shit, I'm tired of people telling me what to do." He then told his friend to turn the music back up. His friend did.

At which point, Jordan turned to Dunn and stated cussing at him. Then Dunn started yelling back.

THAT is the point where the stories diverge. Dunn says after a point they started threatening him. That he saw a shotgun and Davis had started to open the car door. That is when he claims he reached over into the passenger side glove box, got his gun out, and started firing.

Of course the teen's claim something else happened differently.
 

mugs

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http://www.wokv.com/news/news/dunn-confesses-investigators-he-shot-teens-feared-/nXGcL/

Police interview video the morning the police picked up Dunn. Hour long interview. Click the links at the bottom left to watch if you are interested.

Partway through the first video:

He has a "plausible" explanation for other people hearing him say something similar to "you're not going to talk to me like that." He says he said something like "are you talking to me?" Because he wasn't sure if they were threatening him. Needed clarification.

After the shooting they went back to their hotel and ordered a pizza. I think I read that before, but man that seems like such a strange thing to do after shooting someone.

As the kids were fleeing, the thug got out of his "occupied vehicle" to fire four more shots at their "occupied vehicle." This doesn't make a whole lot of sense if he thinks they have a shotgun.
 

HumblePie

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Partway through the first video:

He has a "plausible" explanation for other people hearing him say something similar to "you're not going to talk to me like that." He says he said something like "are you talking to me?" Because he wasn't sure if they were threatening him. Needed clarification.

After the shooting they went back to their hotel and ordered a pizza. I think I read that before, but man that seems like such a strange thing to do after shooting someone.

As the kids were fleeing, the thug got out of his "occupied vehicle" to fire four more shots at their "occupied vehicle." This doesn't make a whole lot of sense if he thinks they have a shotgun.

Assuming he is innocent... The pizza bit, I can understand. He's scared and internalizing his actions. Doesn't know what to do. I find that as a reasonable reaction of needing food to settle the stomach and the mind of the days events in a traumatic scenario.

The shooting as the kids were fleeing... that's where he lost me. I said that before.

As far as him hearing threats, I wonder if the music the kids were listening to was saying death threats. If they were listening to some gansta rap, that might have made him think they were threatening him initially when he heard it through his closed window. He hears the threat, which is the music, looks over and sees an animated and angry looking kid with the window down talking to him. He rolls down the window and asks, "Are you talking to me that way?" Or something to that effect. The kid responds back "Fuck you."

He associated the music death threat with what the kid was saying. Thinking it's from the kid. If that is what happens, it really is a tragedy more so. Because if that was the actual truth, then strangely enough Dunn firing was self defense. He reasonably saw a person angry, and making gestures at him. He sees multiple people in the car. He sees one person making motions like he is about to exit the vehicle. He hears death threats coming at him.

Even if the threats were from the music, when he asked for clarification and was given that by the boys.... that is all the justification he needed to fire the first time.

Now to continue to fire shows reckless endangerment. He WILL be slapped with that crime at the very least. Here in Texas, the way he did that would be considered a class A misdemeanor. Based off his own testimony, he is certainly guilty of that.
 

soundforbjt

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I like how in the video he mentions that he stayed in the room all night (eating pizza) "waiting for another car of thugs to pull up" paraphasing! LOL!!
 

HumblePie

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I like how in the video he mentions that he stayed in the room all night (eating pizza) "waiting for another car of thugs to pull up" paraphasing! LOL!!

He isn't sure he wasn't followed. It's a legit fear. They ordered pizza to prevent having to go out. And if one has to leave in a hurry, with the room pre-paid up before hand, they can leave at anytime.

I don't think it was the smartest thing to do. If you are that afraid you call the cops. Still, I know quite a few people that have a phobia of police as well. That doesn't mean they are criminals, or would do criminal actions. They just don't like the police or are completely scared of police.

That part of the story doesn't put any sort of criminal value to his actions. The ONLY 2 parts that matter on why he shot initially, and then why he fired the second volley. Even if he was justified in the first volley, his second volley to me isn't justified. Either way, he's doing time.