Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

[mugs]

A weapon isn't necessary. The victim believed he saw a weapon.

These are important facts you are over looking.

No, we don't know what the victim believed he saw, because he's dead. The thug says he believed he saw a weapon. Any reasonable person looking at the information we have would recognize that as most likely a lie.

If this gun he "thought" he saw really was imaginary, it's certainly not going to help his case. If it were a real shotgun he could rely in physical evidence to back up his claim. If it was imaginary, then it's going to come down to his credibility. His actions after the shooting, even if not indicative of guilt, are going to be pretty damning. If he went to the police, his claim of self defense would be more believable. If he mentioned the gun to his girlfriend, his claim of self defense would be more believable. He did neither. His claim of self defense is not very believable. Unless you really want to believe it.

In summary, your hero is going to jail for a long time.

 

[spidey07]

No, we don't know what the victim believed he saw, because he's dead. The thug says he believed he saw a weapon. Any reasonable person looking at the information we have would recognize that as most likely a lie.

If this gun he "thought" he saw really was imaginary, it's certainly not going to help his case. If it were a real shotgun he could rely in physical evidence to back up his claim. If it was imaginary, then it's going to come down to his credibility. His actions after the shooting, even if not indicative of guilt, are going to be pretty damning. If he went to the police, his claim of self defense would be more believable. If he mentioned the gun to his girlfriend, his claim of self defense would be more believable. He did neither. His claim of self defense is not very believable. Unless you really want to believe it.

In summary, your hero is going to jail for a long time.

You clearly don't understand self defense law.

That you don't know disparity of force shows this.

Now try to prove this wasn't self defense. Because that's what you'll need to do.

Innocent until proven guilty in this country.

"I saw a weapon"

 

[SheHateMe]

He's going to jail. Face it.

 

[spidey07]

He's going to jail. Face it.

According to law he should not.

 

[Capt Caveman]

According to law he should not.

According to law, he's going away for life with first degree murder.

 

[mugs]

Innocent until proven guilty in this country.

Wait a second, you said the kids in the SUV were criminals because of their "aggravated assault" with an imaginary weapon against the thug? Why aren't they innocent until proven guilty?

 

[QueBert]

According to law he should not.

Why because he claims he saw a gun? I believe the law requires, oh, I dunno, proof? By your fucked up logic, I can shoot and kill you so long as I believe you had a gun, even if there wasn't one. Amirite?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Wait a second, you said the kids in the SUV were criminals because of their "aggravated assault" with an imaginary weapon against the thug? Why aren't they innocent until proven guilty?

B/c they're black. They're always guilty. Ask Geo and SA the same thing.

 

[Dari]

Bullshit. He said they threatened him. He said he thought they were "advancing on" him. But he just forgot to mention the most important reason he had for shooting the kids?

You guys are way too willing to accept everything this thug says at face value. If there was even inconclusive evidence that might corroborate his claim, you'd be justified in accepting it. But right now he's making an obviously self-serving claim that is not corroborated by anything and even he didn't mention it until the next day. If you just accept that, you are gullible enough to be a juror.

You know Dunn's goose is cooked when grand wizard spidey has given up believing that the shotgun existed, and now he's arguing that Dunn just thought he saw it.

At what point are you going to accept that maybe this thug didn't have a good reason to shoot at those kids?

- He left the scene and didn't report the shooting. No problem.
- He claims they had a gun, no gun was found, and the kids were never out of sight of the store. No problem.
- He never mentioned a gun until it was evident that he would have to justify the shooting to the police. No problem.

What more is it going to take for you to entertain the possibility that these kids were innocent victims of the thug? I'm willing to change my view if any evidence backs Dunn up, but so far everything that is coming out is working against him.

And why is it that you're willing to accept anything Dunn says at face value, but anything the kids say is a lie?

Because Obama is president of the United States and blacks are taking over the country and the white man is under attack and welfare. That's why. Did I miss anything?

Also, once Dunn is convicted, he will then become the victim in all of this and the dead teenager will become the villain. His cause will be added to the Tea Party movement...

 

[Geosurface]

They're always guilty. Ask Geo and SA the same thing.

Not always, just way more often.

This is a situation where the white guy looks guilty, and is looking guiltier by the minute.

If he lost his temper because some kids didn't react well to him (rudely?) telling them to turn their music down, and then just decided to shoot up their car (even as they were fleeing?) in retribution for them "disrespectin'" him, then he should go to jail for life, and they should throw away the key.

If the kids said they were going to kill him, or some sort of threat like that... and started opening the door of the Durango... and if the thing about "you're not going to talk to me like that" is false, then it's less clear, obviously.

It's absurd that, given where this happened, we don't have a video of it. Absurd and really unfortunate.

 

[They Live]

Not always, just way more often.

This is a situation where the white guy looks guilty, and is looking guiltier by the minute.

If he lost his temper because some kids didn't react well to him (rudely?) telling them to turn their music down, and then just decided to shoot up their car (even as they were fleeing?) in retribution for them "disrespectin'" him, then he should go to jail for life, and they should throw away the key.

If the kids said they were going to kill him, or some sort of threat like that... and started opening the door of the Durango... and if the thing about "you're not going to talk to me like that" is false, then it's less clear, obviously.

It's absurd that, given where this happened, we don't have a video of it. Absurd and really unfortunate.

That particular witness could end up being the "John" of this case. The key witness who saw the most. Only difference is that "John" somewhat backs up Zimmerman's claim, while this witness doesn't back up Dunn's claims at all.

 

[HumblePie]

With GZ I am 100% certain he is innocent based on the evidence thus far released. With Dunn now I am 60% sure he's guilty versus 40% sure he is not. There are some inconsistencies in the the police reports as I have pointed out that prevent me from swinging majorly in one direction or the other.

 

[spidey07]

Why because he claims he saw a gun? I believe the law requires, oh, I dunno, proof? By your fucked up logic, I can shoot and kill you so long as I believe you had a gun, even if there wasn't one. Amirite?

You are correct.

Provided there was disparity of force and/or verbal threats.

The laws say you must prove guilt. Not prove innocence.

 

[Geosurface]

That particular witness could end up being the "John" of this case. The key witness who saw the most. Only difference is that "John" somewhat backs up Zimmerman's claim, while this witness doesn't back up Dunn's claims at all.

Yea, for sure.

Unless it was one of the kids with Davis, which someone implied.

 

[noobsrevenge]

I bet most of these keyboard warriors that are standing up for these thugs don't live in the south.

I've traveled to the north, the black people up there are more white than I am. The black people in the south however, are a different breed.

So if you are from the north and yet you are vehemently defending these thugs blaring loud music, talking shit to people who ask them to turn it down, then you clearly do not know how much they act like animals.

This is just like the Treyvon martin BS all over again, such a hoopla over innocent kid bla bla blah and then it turns out he jumped george zimmerman for following him, had george zimmerman on the ground and was beating him. But yet, before that fact came out you all would have defended him too and called him an innocent kid.

Same scenario here most likely. So unless you live in the south and deal with these thugs everyday you do not have an informed opinion. Acting like thugs, dressing like thugs, talking shit like thugs, you should get treated and shot like a thug. Kthx

 

[spidey07]

Wait a second, you said the kids in the SUV were criminals because of their "aggravated assault" with an imaginary weapon against the thug? Why aren't they innocent until proven guilty?

You need to look up what aggravated assault is.

 

[They Live]

Yea, for sure.

Unless it was one of the kids with Davis, which someone implied.

Possibly, but I haven't read anything that shows it was someone with Davis.

 

[They Live]

I bet most of these keyboard warriors that are standing up for these thugs don't live in the south.

I've traveled to the north, the black people up there are more white than I am. The black people in the south however, are a different breed.

So if you are from the north and yet you are vehemently defending these thugs blaring loud music, talking shit to people who ask them to turn it down, then you clearly do not know how much they act like animals.

This is just like the Treyvon martin BS all over again, such a hoopla over innocent kid bla bla blah and then it turns out he jumped george zimmerman for following him, had george zimmerman on the ground and was beating him. But yet, before that fact came out you all would have defended him too and called him an innocent kid.

Same scenario here most likely. So unless you live in the south and deal with these thugs everyday you do not have an informed opinion. Acting like thugs, dressing like thugs, talking shit like thugs, you should get treated and shot like a thug. Kthx

Looks like SpatiallyAware has a new account.

Edit: Saw Join date was Oct. 2012

 

[Capt Caveman]

I bet most of these keyboard warriors that are standing up for these thugs don't live in the south.

I've traveled to the north, the black people up there are more white than I am. The black people in the south however, are a different breed.

So if you are from the north and yet you are vehemently defending these thugs blaring loud music, talking shit to people who ask them to turn it down, then you clearly do not know how much they act like animals.

This is just like the Treyvon martin BS all over again, such a hoopla over innocent kid bla bla blah and then it turns out he jumped george zimmerman for following him, had george zimmerman on the ground and was beating him. But yet, before that fact came out you all would have defended him too and called him an innocent kid.

Same scenario here most likely. So unless you live in the south and deal with these thugs everyday you do not have an informed opinion. Acting like thugs, dressing like thugs, talking shit like thugs, you should get treated and shot like a thug. Kthx

Is this SA second account?

How the fuck do you what these thugs were wearing that night? How do you know what they were saying?

I'm non-black that lives in the north. When I was teenager living in a upper midlle class white suburb, I would have done the same thing and told the old man to STFU.

 

[Geosurface]

Or he's just someone who's a little bit less disconnected from certain unpleasant realities.

 

[They Live]

Or he's just someone who's a little bit less disconnected from certain unpleasant realities.

I'd like to see evidence that blacks are more "thuggish" in the south.

Hell, Davis could be from up North for all we know, and just recently moved to Florida or some shit.

 

[Geosurface]

I all honesty what I've seen of Davis so far doesn't make him out to be that thuggish but as a general commentary this guy may have a point.

I'm from the north myself, so I don't know.

I also know a lot of teens are rather good at conveying themselves one way to their parents, another way to friends

 

[SheHateMe]

Looks like SpatiallyAware has a new account.

Edit: Saw Join date was Oct. 2012

That's exactly what I said. The last sentence let me know.

 

[Theb]

I bet most of these keyboard warriors that are standing up for these thugs don't live in the south.

I've traveled to the north, the black people up there are more white than I am. The black people in the south however, are a different breed.

So if you are from the north and yet you are vehemently defending these thugs blaring loud music, talking shit to people who ask them to turn it down, then you clearly do not know how much they act like animals.

This is just like the Treyvon martin BS all over again, such a hoopla over innocent kid bla bla blah and then it turns out he jumped george zimmerman for following him, had george zimmerman on the ground and was beating him. But yet, before that fact came out you all would have defended him too and called him an innocent kid.

Same scenario here most likely. So unless you live in the south and deal with these thugs everyday you do not have an informed opinion. Acting like thugs, dressing like thugs, talking shit like thugs, you should get treated and shot like a thug. Kthx

Oh shit. Stormfront is leaking again.

 

[mugs]

You need to look up what aggravated assault is.

No, I don't. But here it is:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ng=&URL=0700-0799/0784/Sections/0784.021.html

784.021 Aggravated assault.—
(1) An “aggravated assault” is an assault:
(a) With a deadly weapon without intent to kill; or
(b) With an intent to commit a felony.
(2) Whoever commits an aggravated assault shall be guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

I assumed you were referring to the imaginary gun when you called it aggravated assault. Unless you meant they intended to commit a felony? Is it a felony to use mean words in Florida?

And again, how can you say their "aggravated assault" makes them criminals in one breath and in the next say that Dunn is innocent until proven guilty? Why aren't the victims innocent until proven guilty?

Honestly - you're trolling here, right?