Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

[JohnOfSheffield]

That story tells us something different about this incident and i find it hard to believe that all witnesses and the tape could have missed three to four inches of shotgun barrel sticking out from the window so this case should be fairly easy to judge once that is released.

It would also be impossible for them to get rid of something like a shotgun before the police arrived without the cameras or any witnesses noticing it or without the police finding it anywhere other than in the car either.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Isn't it legal to shoot black people in Florida?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I don't think the gun is absolutely necessary no. I think if they find something in the car that looks like it could pass for a gun barrel, or if the video shows something stick out of the window roughly that shape... that'd be sufficient to back him up on that claim.

Yes of course but he identified the gauge of the shotgun he faced so it would have to be something at least similar to it.

 

[Robsasman]

Yes of course but he identified the gauge of the shotgun he faced so it would have to be something at least similar to it.

Where did you read shotgun, I never saw that.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Where did you read shotgun, I never saw that.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/Lawyer...s-SUV/-/475880/17566116/-/ku79pw/-/index.html

 

[rommelrommel]

There is always a reason, the question here is what the reason was? Was he, like you, fed up with these types of punks or did he actually see a gun? Since they never even left the car the gun is absolutely necessary for his self defense defense isn't it?

If he can convince a jury that he had a reasonable belief that they pointed a firearm at him he's probably fine... I think that's going to be a hard sell based on what we've heard so far.

 

[Phokus]

You think they were bumping out to some classical violin and that's why they were asked to turn it down?

How often is extremely loud obnoxious music ANYTHING but dumbass gangster racist/violent crap?

The funny thing is, if i play loud thrash metal in my car, you probably wouldn't bat an eye.

 

[Robsasman]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/Lawyer...s-SUV/-/475880/17566116/-/ku79pw/-/index.html

Ahh ok thanks, more shit coming out with every article. How are they gonna hide a shotgun.

 

[Phokus]

Shit like this wouldn't happen if people taught their kids respect.

It's amazing how you blame the victim. I guess rape victims had it coming because they dress too sexy.

 

[rommelrommel]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/Lawyer...s-SUV/-/475880/17566116/-/ku79pw/-/index.html

She went on to say what her client told her he heard the teens say.

"Uh, 'Kill that mother (expletive),' 'That mother (expletive) is dead,' 'You dead (expletive),'" Lemonidis said of what Dunn heard from the teens. "And he sees that much of a shotgun coming up over the rim of the SUV, which is up higher than his Jetta, and all he sees are heavily tinted front windows that are up and the back windows that are down, and the car has at least four black men in it, and he doesn't know how old anyone is, and he doesn't know anything, but he knows a shotgun when he sees one because he got his first gun as a gift from his grandparents when he was in third grade."

If anyone can corroborate those statements he may have a decent chance at beating it.

 

[They Live]

Interesting how the dead kid is depicted as a thug because of his picture and apparently playing loud music (we don't know how loud it was).

 

[Pulsar]

Story says that they (bunch of kids in an SUV) pointed a gun at him...

No. The story does not.

However, further updates state this:

Dunn's attorney, Robin Lemonidis, told CNN Monday that Dunn told police that he reacted after having seen a gun barrel in the window of the teens' car and after hearing a profanity-laced string of threats against him and his girlfriend while the teens motioned they were opening the door.

Read more: http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/nation...-told-police-he-felt-threatened#ixzz2DTINCdcE

HOWEVER, that is exactly what you would expect to hear from his attorney, so that is not proof one way or another.

What may be proof is video, if there is any. Otherwise, this is going to be very, very hard to prove for him. It was a stupid tragic move.

Duck. Run. The LAST instinct of any person who is concealed and carrying should have is to fire. It appears that it was his first.

If they were opening the door, they weren't going to shoot him.... because they wouldn't have opened the door to do so. His story is a bit flimsy.

 

[They Live]

She went on to say what her client told her he heard the teens say.

"Uh, 'Kill that mother (expletive),' 'That mother (expletive) is dead,' 'You dead (expletive),'" Lemonidis said of what Dunn heard from the teens. "And he sees that much of a shotgun coming up over the rim of the SUV, which is up higher than his Jetta, and all he sees are heavily tinted front windows that are up and the back windows that are down, and the car has at least four black men in it, and he doesn't know how old anyone is, and he doesn't know anything, but he knows a shotgun when he sees one because he got his first gun as a gift from his grandparents when he was in third grade."

If anyone can corroborate those statements he may have a decent chance at beating it.

I don't think he even needs witnesses. He can claim they verbally threatened him, and that he was in fear for his life, so he shot them. How will they be able to prove he is lying about that?

 

[Pulsar]

It's amazing how you blame the victim. I guess rape victims had it coming because they dress too sexy.

Actually, he's exactly right.

If the people in the SUV had said "Oh, sorry, didn't mean to bother you" and turned it down, this wouldn't have happened.

If the people in the SUV had said "No, call the cops if you don't like it" this wouldn't have happened.

It's not about "had it coming". It's about conflict resolution versus escalation.

Instead, I have absolutely NO doubt that they said what was stated. It's pretty much common fare for teens / young adults in many areas to react like that with profanity and aggression. Zero respect, and very large egos. Sort of like people on internet message boards.

 

[They Live]

Actually, he's exactly right.

If the people in the SUV had said "Oh, sorry, didn't mean to bother you" and turned it down, this wouldn't have happened.

If the people in the SUV had said "No, call the cops if you don't like it" this wouldn't have happened.

It's not about "had it coming". It's about conflict resolution versus escalation.

Instead, I have absolutely NO doubt that they said what was stated. It's pretty much common fare for teens / young adults in many areas to react like that with profanity and aggression. Zero respect, and very large egos. Sort of like people on internet message boards.

We don't know what he exactly said to them. Why are you assuming he was cordial to the teens when asking them to turn down the music?

For that matter, we have no evidence that the kids were rude to him, or said anything threatening to him, outside of what the shooter claims.

 

[Jodell88]

No. The story does not.

However, further updates state this:

Dunn's attorney, Robin Lemonidis, told CNN Monday that Dunn told police that he reacted after having seen a gun barrel in the window of the teens' car and after hearing a profanity-laced string of threats against him and his girlfriend while the teens motioned they were opening the door.

I'm not buying the lawyer's story. Every news article has said that the gf was in the store at the time of the shooting. Unless some time had passed in which the threats were made and the shooting happened, she cannot be at two places at once.

 

[Phokus]

I don't know why ATOT mods allow racists like Geosurface and Spatially Aware to post here.

Black victim? Automatic 'thug'.

 

[Robsasman]

I don't think he even needs witnesses. He can claim they verbally threatened him, and that he was in fear for his life, so he shot them. How will they be able to prove he is lying about that?

4 witnesses in the suv will probably say they weren't. Unless he has someone else in the parking lot who heard everything he's fucked.

 

[Phokus]

Actually, he's exactly right.

If the people in the SUV had said "Oh, sorry, didn't mean to bother you" and turned it down, this wouldn't have happened.

If the people in the SUV had said "No, call the cops if you don't like it" this wouldn't have happened.

It's not about "had it coming". It's about conflict resolution versus escalation.

Instead, I have absolutely NO doubt that they said what was stated. It's pretty much common fare for teens / young adults in many areas to react like that with profanity and aggression. Zero respect, and very large egos. Sort of like people on internet message boards.

He was at a fucking gas station. Just get your shit and leave. It wasn't like next door neighbors were blasting music while he's sleeping. It wasn't even HIS property.

You know what non-escalation is? Not being annoyed so much about your environment that you have to get in people's faces over trivial matters that won't even annoy you more than a couple of minutes.

Edit: sweet jesus, rereading your comments, some of you think black people need to bow down to whites like slavery is still a thing.

 

[They Live]

4 witnesses in the suv will probably say they weren't. Unless he has someone else in the parking lot who heard everything he's fucked.

You are correct about that, I forgot for a moment he wasn't alone in the SUV.

 

[MrScott81]

Actually, he's exactly right.

If the people in the SUV had said "Oh, sorry, didn't mean to bother you" and turned it down, this wouldn't have happened.

If the people in the SUV had said "No, call the cops if you don't like it" this wouldn't have happened.

It's not about "had it coming". It's about conflict resolution versus escalation.

Instead, I have absolutely NO doubt that they said what was stated. It's pretty much common fare for teens / young adults in many areas to react like that with profanity and aggression. Zero respect, and very large egos. Sort of like people on internet message boards.

How do you know what would have happened, or even what they actually did say? If this guy just snapped because they were playing loud music, or for any other reason, how can you say for sure what he would have done? You can't.

You can't just go around killing anyone who says the wrong thing to you. Let's face it, they aren't the first teenagers to play loud music at a gas station and they certainly won't be the last. Is it annoying? Probably, but that doesn't mean we should execute anyone who does.

 

[Jodell88]

I don't think he even needs witnesses. He can claim they verbally threatened him, and that he was in fear for his life, so he shot them. How will they be able to prove he is lying about that?

So what you're saying is once someone threatens you you can end their life?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I don't think he even needs witnesses. He can claim they verbally threatened him, and that he was in fear for his life, so he shot them. How will they be able to prove he is lying about that?

If not all shootings would be deemed self defense if the suspect just told them he felt his life was threatened by the words of the guy he just shot.

If i'm not mistaken he is also under obligation to prove that his fear was justifiable and without the gun or gun like object it's going to be hard to do.

It's also a question about the gun like object, i wonder if it would fly since he so definitively described it and was absolutely sure as a self proclaimed expert.

 

[They Live]

So what you're saying is once someone threatens you you can end their life?

As much as I loathe that law, yes. I'm sure Spidey will be here soon to explain it in detail.

 

[They Live]

I find it interesting that it's assumed that the man was cordial to the teens when asking them to turn down the music. It's also automatically assumed that these teens were rude to him, and threatened him, because after all, they are black youth probably getting ready to go "polar bear hunting"